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Old 30 January 2010, 04:09 AM   #1
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Been reading on the forum that Bergeon Tools are the best out there. I know that the 6825 and 6111 are good for removing the bracelets. Are there any other tools I should invest in? Is there a tool available to safely remove the bezel to switch inserts?
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Old 30 January 2010, 04:12 AM   #2
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Old 30 January 2010, 04:22 AM   #3
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Old 30 January 2010, 04:24 AM   #4
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Bergeon is an excellent toolmaker.. Rolex bought into the company a few years back to ensure that the quality of their tools would stay at a standard they felt was necessary for their own watchmakers and tool rooms..

But there are other toolmakers...


Get yourself a decent case knife.. The blade is not sharp and nicely curved to avoid scratches when prying it under the bezel.

They make a good hand spanner caseback opener, although I prefere the stability of the LG vice mounted model.

If you choose the 6111 spring-bar tool, get an extra fork (they are replaceble)

get some good tweezers if you have big hands like me..

Don't forget the parts are small.......... a good monocle loupe or visor..
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Old 30 January 2010, 04:25 AM   #5
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Bergeon is an excellent toolmaker.. Rolex bought into the company a few years back to ensure that the quality of their tools would stay at a standard they felt was necessary for their own watchmakers and tool rooms..

But there are other toolmakers...


Get yourself a decent case knife.. The blade is not sharp and nicely curved to avoid scratches when prying it under the bezel.

They make a good hand spanner caseback opener, although I prefere the stability of the LG vice mounted model.

If you choose the 6111 spring-bar tool, get an extra fork (they are replaceble)

get some good tweezers if you have big hands like me..

Don't forget the parts are small.......... a good monocle loupe or visor..
Thanks for the good tips Larry!
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Old 30 January 2010, 04:36 AM   #7
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Sounds good, do you know if they also make case knives? Also, if I purchase the 6825 tool do I also need the 6111 tool?
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Old 30 January 2010, 05:30 AM   #8
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Sounds good, do you know if they also make case knives? Also, if I purchase the 6825 tool do I also need the 6111 tool?
Bergeon case knife is #4932..

I'm not a fan of the 6825 spring-bar tool.. It is awkward and time consuming to set up and it can't be used for anything else.. It's even more awkward for clasps so the 6111 (or similar) is much more user friendly..


As mentioned though..if you choose the 6825, ensure you get the fine tips (6825 PF) for use on a Rolex..
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Old 30 January 2010, 05:15 AM   #9
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Thr Bergeon 6825 PF is the one to go for if you really want one. But...... it will not work on all Rolex watches without filing the very fine points even finer.
eg the PF will compress the spring bar from a 16610 or 16710 with an oyster bracelet but if the 16710 has the jubilee it needs filing. It needs the filed points for a SD, even with the oyster bracelet.
I actually think that you have more control with the ordinary Bergeon spring bar tool as you are only watching one side of the end link at a time. With the 6825 you need to be watching both sides at the same time. Very fiddly, especially if you are having to use the filed points.
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Old 1 February 2010, 12:44 PM   #10
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Hi.

Would these be the recommended screwdriver for the oyster bracelets? (Bergeon 160)

http://www.watchtool.co.uk/bergeon-s...et-p-6747.html

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http://www.watchtool.co.uk/bergeon-s...et-p-6564.html

Thanks all.
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Old 1 February 2010, 01:24 PM   #11
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Either of those would work fine and it's nice that they include extra blades... 1.6mm is correct for Mens Oysters...but there are other size screws in other bracelet types ..............
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Old 1 February 2010, 01:49 PM   #12
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Old 2 February 2010, 07:18 AM   #13
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Either of those would work fine and it's nice that they include extra blades... 1.6mm is correct for Mens Oysters...but there are other size screws in other bracelet types ..............
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Old 26 May 2010, 10:29 AM   #14
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Wanted to revive is thread which has been fantastically useful...thanks Larry!

I have another question regarding replacing the insert on the 16710

I have the coke insert...pepsi is currently on.

If I want to change it do I need to get hold of another bezel and attach the coke insert to that...then with the case knife it's just a matter of removing the bezel each time? Or do you change the insert...which seems tricky?

My AD was not very helpful on these points!! And if it is a matter of getting another bezel where do I source one?

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Old 26 May 2010, 10:49 AM   #15
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If I want to change it do I need to get hold of another bezel and attach the coke insert to that...then with the case knife it's just a matter of removing the bezel each time? Or do you change the insert...which seems tricky?
Jocke's Academy of Bezel Swapping

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Old 26 May 2010, 10:58 AM   #16
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Jocke's Academy of Bezel Swapping

http://www.vikbobil.se/bezel.html
Thanks mateJust found it...All answered...my AD could have explained that...

Right...now to get the tool and have some fun
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could someone pm me and let me know what tools i need to get the scratches off my band and to remove the band from my Explorer II? thanks!
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Old 26 May 2010, 11:48 AM   #18
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This maybe a stupid question, but if you have the 6825, do you also need the 6111???
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Old 26 May 2010, 11:52 AM   #19
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This maybe a stupid question, but if you have the 6825, do you also need the 6111???
Only you can answer that.......

However, I use a 6111 and have no use for the single tasking and expensive 6825
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Old 26 May 2010, 11:55 AM   #20
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Only you can answer that.......

However, I use a 6111 and have no use for the single tasking and expensive 6825
Larry while you're in here....are you recommending the case knife ref 4932 for removing the bezel from a 16710 ?
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Old 26 May 2010, 12:22 PM   #21
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Larry while you're in here....are you recommending the case knife ref 4932 for removing the bezel from a 16710 ?
Yes, that is an excellent tool for bezels, although it is a little thick if you want to use it for the fluted DJ bezels, etc...
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Old 26 May 2010, 12:33 PM   #22
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Yes, that is an excellent tool for bezels, although it is a little thick if you want to use it for the fluted DJ bezels, etc...
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