114060 and the glide-lock bracelet

[mr_gray]

Hi All,
hoping that a little wisdom could be shared here. I am looking at the 114060 sub. I'm also looking at about every other sub out there as I seem to have become obsessed. I do not, however, have any interest in the metal bracelet/clasp. Whether that be the older style or the glide-lock. It is not that I have anything in particular against Rolex bracelets, just that I prefer the idea of wearing any watch on rubber/leather as opposed to metal.

So my query is, would it be foolish of me to think that if I bought a 114060 I could offset the relatively higher price (versus say a 14060(m)) by considering selling the glide-lock clasp and bracelet?

I have tried to price the glide-lock clasp/bracelet combo but found little to base any predictions on. Is there much of a market? Enthusiastic endorsement (of the glide-lock clasp at least) by many who seem to think darkly of the new cases leads me to believe there may be a market. The only prices for these I have seen seem astonishing ($1000+).

For those currently lucky enough to own these newer submariners etc with the glide-lock, do you believe I will be reluctant to part with the glide-lock should I also be lucky enough to own it?

Any thoughts along this train of thought from the learned members on the forum would be greatly appreciated.

cheers
Steve

[Rocco22]

The 114060 is an incredible watch and if you so choose to wear it on a rubber or leather band that is up to you.i think it looks good on any strap though I am partial to the new heavy weight band and clasp.ive seen the new bands with the glidelock sell for 1-1500.so if you were to sell it you would save some money.i think you would keep the band though once you try it on.if your gonna keep te watch and don't care then sell it but if you plan to sell it later then having the band will bring in more money.just my 2 cents.either way the watch is great.

[gpfps]

I can see why you like a rubber or leather band over the metal. If you buy the sub and sell the band and clasp and I'm sure there are buyers for it. I don't know if you would get want you want money wise to come out even on what you payed for the watch. You will take a loose I believe.

[supernova]

In regards to the Glidelock clasp, there shouldn't be to much trouble selling it I reckon, however, I would think it very foolish to do so! Even if you don't use it, should still hold onto it!

[jot_]

I would say hang onto the bracelet and clasp, at least for a little bit before selling. Never know if you may like it!

That being said, I rotate my 14060 on a bracelet and rubber strap and IMO, both look fantastic. The Sub is such a versatile watch and it looks great on a variety of bands. I say go for it!

[tifosi]

C'mon guys, don't talk the OP out of selling the bracelet...

I see a "head only" no date ceramic Sub on the sales board in our future! Something I didn't think I would ever see.

OP: In all seriousness...the bracelet on the new Subs is amazing. It may just change your view on bracelets. Go try one on.

[kilyung]

Selling the bracelet should be no issue.

[Thatguy]

The bracelet is just so comfortable. If you get it I would keep it. I switch to NATO once in a while but end up missing the bracelet.

[impalass]

The first 30 years of Submariner ownership I would'nt dream of anything but the bracelet !

These days I'm stictly a Leather Strap most of the year, and Nato for the summer type guy.

Imo keep the watch complete, better to have the bracelet and not need it than to need it and not have it.

[lland]

Why not get a rubber Everest or Rubberb strap that will use the original Glidelock clasp? You'll have the best of both worlds and still have the original bracelet should you decide to use it.

LL

[ecsub44]

I think that's a great idea to offset the cost difference!

However, since the most significant upgrade between them is, in fact, the bracelet...you might want to consider the 14060.

I have no idea what the glidelock bracelet would sell for...but I'd bet it's significant!

[subtona]

Originally Posted by ecsub44

I think that's a great idea to offset the cost difference!

However, since the most significant upgrade between them is, in fact, the bracelet...you might want to consider the 14060.
...

well said

significantly, the 14060/m have lugholes vs 114060 which do not.
imho, the lugholes are supremely preferable if you are going to use a Nato or leather strap.



ps the bracelet will sell quickly!

[Puffy]

It will sell in 10 seconds but note the following...

by selling it you're seriously devaluing your watch and setting yourself up for future headaches...

If you ever want to repurchase the bracelet + clasp it will be sold to you by Rolex at 1.5 x the retail cost as you aren't able to produce the original bracelet the watch came on.

new parts are now only sold exchange only, sometimes not at all if you can't produce the exchange part

a brand new bracelet + clasp will set you back about £1500 x 1.5 = £2250 at today's Rolex UK costs. parts costs in Oz are much higher, so you're probably looking at a few hundred quid more

the new bracelet + clasp is likely to be marked Service which also devalues the watch. not many people want that ghastly S on their parts

From what i hear Rolex Oz are not user friendly at all and i've heard they've refused to service watch heads with no bracelets (rubber straps don't count)

if you wish to sell your used bracelet + clasp £1300 is a good starting point.. just be aware that when they day comes where you want to repurchase the glidelock bracelet it'll be around £2300 so that adventure will leave you £1000 out of pocket...

[pp763]

My opinion has always been when you partly buy it for the bracelet and the cyclops. The lack of cyclops can be acceptable on such wonderful pieces as the YM II, Daytona and the DSSD of course but never the bracelet.

[Hazelnut]

Why don't you get the watch and reserve your opinion until after you try on the watch with the bracelet for a little while. Then if you want to sell it I am sure there are more than a few people who are interested in the new glidelock and bracelet. You may just want to keep it for completion sake it may be hard to get a hold of one later. I love the bracelet on my SubC Date and haven't switched over to my NATO strap yet.

[samuel019]

The 114060 is one of my favorites mainly due to the glide lock. Thats the main reason I bought it becuase I dont like the older bands that much. So I agree with those who said buy 14060. Theres no need spending the extra dough on the 114060 when Im sure the band is one of the main reasons for the price difference between the 2. So if your not into metal/steel bands do yourself a favor and save alot of dough and buy the 14060. If you end up still buying the 114060 KEEP the band!! As others have stated it will be hard and expensive getting it back once you sell it. Trust me if you decide to sell it it will go in a flash. There is a ton of people trying to buy it so that they can put it on a older Rolex which is yet more proof of why you should keep it or go the 14060 route. Good luck with your decision.

[Solo118]

I do not know if this clasp has the same mechanism, and no way would it be the same quality etc. but maybe its worth investing to try it out on a 14060 if you already have one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/20mm-Stainle...item2c6b4ae5aa

Otherwise, once you go glidelock you may not want to go back... so i would say buy a 114060...its awesome

[GradyPhilpott]

As of June 2012, the Oyster bracelet for the 114060 with 13 links cost $2000US. Links are $75. each.

Don't sell it.

[mr_gray]

Thanks for the input I really appreciate it. I'm very interested to hear that the clasp can be used with straps. I did not know that. Also for all posters commenting on the "complete set" you're dead right! I hadn't thought about resale at all. As much as I think resale might be unlikely now (before I've even got a watch so I may be getting ahead of myself here) who knows what the future holds?

Also these RSC's don't sound like much fun, with there decisions on whether or not they will work on your watch for you. Not being able to go to a watch tech of my choosing is a major drag in my opinion.

Thanks also re: info on spare parts. I find it pretty incredible though (1.5 x unless you've got the original). I presume that means when you do have parts replaced one may not be able to keep the original part, as I guess the overall idea is to cut down on frankenwatches.

Sounds like going straight down the line with Rolex is going to be the only way.

Re: shutting down spare parts and AD's, I hope it doesnt happen elsewhere and I agree with another posts logic (on another thread) that the US RSC's as it stands probably couldn't keep up with demand. But as I understand it from nick hacko here in Sydney, the trend towards service centre servicing only is well entrenched for many other brands (richemont group). Most concerning in my opinion is that in some cases they seem to force certain work on the consumer. As in, "this bezel is scratched, it must be replaced" kind of thing.

Whilst I note that some people on the forums seem ok with the idea of servicing which costs around one/fifth of the watches cost every five years or so, an attraction to Rolex for me, and particularly the sub, is the hardiness. I like the stories where a fella has been using his sub for twenty years diving and then it stops and he says "oh we'll, time to get it serviced"! Plus a major attraction to mechanical watches for me (besides general brilliance) is no battery every three years plus pressure test, I.e. less maintenance cost and inconvenience.

Tudor's use if the eta and its (potential) ubiquity and hence presumably the ease with which one might acquire parts is starting to look good. Not as good as a brand spanking new 114060 unfortunately...

[mr_gray]

Hi Again,
just wanted to acknowledge all the posters who commented that what I might really be after is the 14060. I totally agree, I'm looking for one and preferably the head only. Unfortunately for me, I'm not finding too many like that (presumably for alot of reasons posters have mentioned one shouldn't 86 the glide-lock for). Plus they seem to be so popular right now that they are selling at what I reckon is a bit of a premium (relative to the near past, say a year ago) and my poor timing makes getting involved a little less attractive.

cheers