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bonsai-man · 4 August 2013, 09:27 PM

Advice needed please, looking to buy this watch. Seems reasonably priced at £1400 with no box and papers. Can anyone tell from the picture if it has the sapphire crystal and if the bracelet looks right. It has lug holes so would be about 1979 - 1986. I asked the seller for S/N but as it has no paperwork they could not say. I have only seen the newer bracelet.

Also I have large wrists the watch has 20 full links, I think these come with 22. Does anyone know how long a new unadjusted bracelet would be. I think if I divide the length by the number of links then multiply by 20 I will get a good idea of the size.

kieselguhr · 4 August 2013, 09:30 PM

Couldn't tell you from that 1 picture, why is the lettering on the dial faded?
Others will also tell you buy the seller.

bonsai-man · 4 August 2013, 09:36 PM

My pictures never uploaded

Mr. K · 4 August 2013, 09:38 PM

Can you post a pic from an angle so we can see the crystal better? Looks to be Acrylic but hard to tell. Why not ask the seller? If he/she does not know, then do you even want to be buying this watch?

Based upon the faded lettering, I'd be leary.

Just be careful.

bonsai-man · 4 August 2013, 09:39 PM

I think the picture is not very good

Mr. K · 4 August 2013, 09:41 PM

Magnifications seems to be ok, but in the photo of the back, almost looks like the gold is wearing off of the crown, if so.... watch may not be real.

bonsai-man · 4 August 2013, 09:46 PM

The dial is not faded, the watch is genuine and not in dought. The questions are because I only have these pictures. I asked the seller he did not know about the crystal. He said it was flat when I asked him but I am not sure if he knew what I meant.

Mr. K · 4 August 2013, 10:10 PM

At least you know the watch is legit.

A few better photos and the crystal is an easy answer.

If it is flat, then probably sapphire.

padi56 · 4 August 2013, 10:11 PM

Its a what they call a piepan dial most of those from that era had acrylic crystal.

Concord · 4 August 2013, 10:14 PM

It is not sapphire, guaranteed!

Lgear080 · 4 August 2013, 11:07 PM

I'd move on. That's def retail price for a watch that's
Clearly in need of further investment.

Dr.Brian · 4 August 2013, 11:26 PM

The bracelet has severe stretch. I'd pass.
Why is the text on the dial blurred out?

Tools · 5 August 2013, 12:50 AM

I would say that this watch is probably from the 70's and the vendor is being less than honest to claim they cannot give the serial number.. Serials are plainly visible on the sides of the case under the bracelet and "paperwork" is not needed..

However, one side of the bracelet is using a suspect endlink and so, again, the vendor may have done anything to give this example life..

There are surely better and newer examples for that price..

bonsai-man · 5 August 2013, 10:56 PM

Thanks everyone for looking and the advice, I will take that advice and keep looking.

Thanks again

bonsai-man · 5 August 2013, 10:56 PM

I have decided to go for Daytona steel new, and wait for one. Will go to AD later today

Camel · 5 August 2013, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonsai-man

I have decided to go for Daytona steel new, and wait for one. Will go to AD later today

That's a HUGE jump !

badgtho · 5 August 2013, 11:44 PM

Whoa!

Cc1966 · 6 August 2013, 12:07 AM

You managed to jump from the fire back into the pan!

Floorguy · 6 August 2013, 12:28 AM

WOW! That was a quick fix!

landroverking · 6 August 2013, 06:04 AM

Well I think it's much older than represented.

datejusting · 6 August 2013, 11:40 AM

That bracelet has oval links so it is probably from the 70s or earlier. A new bracelet comes with 22 links. Crystal is acrylic.

4 August 2013, 09:27 PM	#1
bonsai-man "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 728	Datejust advice please Advice needed please, looking to buy this watch. Seems reasonably priced at £1400 with no box and papers. Can anyone tell from the picture if it has the sapphire crystal and if the bracelet looks right. It has lug holes so would be about 1979 - 1986. I asked the seller for S/N but as it has no paperwork they could not say. I have only seen the newer bracelet. Also I have large wrists the watch has 20 full links, I think these come with 22. Does anyone know how long a new unadjusted bracelet would be. I think if I divide the length by the number of links then multiply by 20 I will get a good idea of the size. Attached Images

4 August 2013, 09:36 PM	#3
bonsai-man "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 728	My pictures never uploaded Attached Images

4 August 2013, 09:39 PM	#5
bonsai-man "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 728	I think the picture is not very good Attached Images

4 August 2013, 10:11 PM	#9
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,064	Its a what they call a piepan dial most of those from that era had acrylic crystal. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

4 August 2013, 11:26 PM	#12
Dr.Brian 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: CA dreamin' Watch: ing the market. Posts: 5,906	The bracelet has severe stretch. I'd pass. Why is the text on the dial blurred out? __________________ -Brian AUDENTES FORTUNA IUVAT 十人十色

4 August 2013, 09:30 PM	#2
kieselguhr "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Nick Location: Las Vegas Watch: 1601 Posts: 10,623	Couldn't tell you from that 1 picture, why is the lettering on the dial faded? Others will also tell you buy the seller.

4 August 2013, 09:38 PM	#4
Mr. K "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Mark Location: Seattle-ish Posts: 6,078	Can you post a pic from an angle so we can see the crystal better? Looks to be Acrylic but hard to tell. Why not ask the seller? If he/she does not know, then do you even want to be buying this watch? Based upon the faded lettering, I'd be leary. Just be careful.

4 August 2013, 09:41 PM	#6
Mr. K "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Mark Location: Seattle-ish Posts: 6,078	Magnifications seems to be ok, but in the photo of the back, almost looks like the gold is wearing off of the crown, if so.... watch may not be real.

4 August 2013, 09:46 PM	#7
bonsai-man "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 728	The dial is not faded, the watch is genuine and not in dought. The questions are because I only have these pictures. I asked the seller he did not know about the crystal. He said it was flat when I asked him but I am not sure if he knew what I meant.

4 August 2013, 10:10 PM	#8
Mr. K "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Mark Location: Seattle-ish Posts: 6,078	At least you know the watch is legit. A few better photos and the crystal is an easy answer. If it is flat, then probably sapphire.

4 August 2013, 10:14 PM	#10
Concord Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Calgary Posts: 43	It is not sapphire, guaranteed!

4 August 2013, 11:07 PM	#11
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	I'd move on. That's def retail price for a watch that's Clearly in need of further investment.

5 August 2013, 12:50 AM	#13
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,515	I would say that this watch is probably from the 70's and the vendor is being less than honest to claim they cannot give the serial number.. Serials are plainly visible on the sides of the case under the bracelet and "paperwork" is not needed.. However, one side of the bracelet is using a suspect endlink and so, again, the vendor may have done anything to give this example life.. There are surely better and newer examples for that price.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

5 August 2013, 10:56 PM	#14
bonsai-man "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 728	Thanks everyone for looking and the advice, I will take that advice and keep looking. Thanks again

5 August 2013, 11:44 PM	#17
badgtho "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CT Posts: 274	Whoa! __________________ 16610 Sub 1601 Datejust PAM 000 CA1215 Formula 1 Chrono Etc...

6 August 2013, 12:07 AM	#18
Cc1966 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Christopher Location: Georgia, USA Watch: ing the Sea... Posts: 6,713	You managed to jump from the fire back into the pan!

6 August 2013, 12:28 AM	#19
Floorguy 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Rob Location: Parrish fl. Watch: Tt datejust 16233 Posts: 20,952	WOW! That was a quick fix!

6 August 2013, 06:04 AM	#20
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	Well I think it's much older than represented.

6 August 2013, 11:40 AM	#21
datejusting "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Al Location: USA Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,153	That bracelet has oval links so it is probably from the 70s or earlier. A new bracelet comes with 22 links. Crystal is acrylic.

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