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Old 26 March 2014, 07:09 AM   #1
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Explorer 39mm or submariner ND

I currently have a explorer 39mm, however lately I have been thinking about exchanging it for the last of the 14060m sub ND.

Any thoughts, I love the simple lines if the explorer, I also love the sportiness of the sub.

I am torn as to what to do, and hope some opinions could help me decide.
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:10 AM   #2
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both great watches, but if I had the choice I would go with the sub
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:14 AM   #3
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I have the 14060M and hopefully my next Rolex will be the Explorer I. Sounds to me like you might regret flipping the Exp, maybe save for the Sub, I really think that they compliment each other. Here's a pic to whet your appetite...
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:18 AM   #4
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I have the 14060M and hopefully my next Rolex will be the Explorer I. Sounds to me like you might regret flipping the Exp, maybe save for the Sub, I really think that they compliment each other. Here's a pic to whet your appetite...
Having both is not really an option having just bought a new Mercedes, and in the process of refurbishing my property. I am also the type that only would wear one watch. I have to say, I do love the explorer, but the sub has just caught my eye.

Would my explorer plus between £500-750 be a fair deal for the sub?
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:30 AM   #5
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Having both is not really an option having just bought a new Mercedes, and in the process of refurbishing my property. I am also the type that only would wear one watch. I have to say, I do love the explorer, but the sub has just caught my eye.

Would my explorer plus between £500-750 be a fair deal for the sub?
I don't think that's out of line but it would all depend on condition of both. You still see NOS 14060's in the FS section but they are starting to get pricey.
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:32 AM   #6
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I don't think that's out of line but it would all depend on condition of both. You still see NOS 14060's in the FS section but they are starting to get pricey.
Condition of both are excellent. Both are full sets
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:12 AM   #7
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I guess the sub is more versatile. I would need to add some cash for the sub along with my explorer. Both are 2011 watches.
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Old 26 March 2014, 09:59 AM   #8
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I guess the sub is more versatile. I would need to add some cash for the sub along with my explorer. Both are 2011 watches.
I have both, and the Sub is certainly one of the definitive models in the Rolex line. As for versatility, I would place the Explorer well ahead of the Sub...it can be worn where the Sub looks out of place, Ian Fleming characters not withstanding. And the clasp and bracelet are an upgrade to the Sub you're considering, so there is another point to consider. My Explorer is my daily wearer, perhaps the one in my small collection not likely to be flipped.
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:14 AM   #9
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I really like the both watches, if I had to choose though I would go with the sub.
I like sporty watches and it dresses up really well.

You really can't go wrong with either watch! =)
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:15 AM   #10
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:17 AM   #11
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For one watch I'd go w/ the explorer
It could be sporty & dressy! It's my go to watch, works well in all settings
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:31 AM   #12
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Between those two i pick sub
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:33 AM   #13
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What the value of a 2011 full set 14060 - I value it around £4000, I value my explorer around £3500 2011 full set.

Would you agree?
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:36 AM   #14
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What the value of a 2011 full set 14060 - I value it around £4000, I value my explorer around £3500 2011 full set.

Would you agree?
With both being equal and excellent condition I'd say you're in the ballpark. That's my assumption though as I'd only be able to figure in dollars... Mate!
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Old 28 March 2014, 07:35 AM   #15
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What the value of a 2011 full set 14060 - I value it around £4000, I value my explorer around £3500 2011 full set.

Would you agree?
Hi Kier,
I love the Sub and own one. However, 4000£ is a bit steep for a mint set.
I bought mine 4 months ago in mint condition (2012 G-Serial) and payed 3100£.
Similar can be found here in the For Sale section

Good luck with the hunt.
Definitely one of the most comfortable watches in my line-up
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:37 AM   #16
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Yes! There is no wrong answer.

First one then the other.....



I'd vote for the expy first. Less common and super comfortable.
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:42 AM   #17
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Have the Explorer, great watch. Just was at AD looking at Sub's, etc, today.

I would have a very difficult time giving up my Explorer for a Sub. It's just too versatile. Getting both is the right answer. IMHO, anyway.
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:47 AM   #18
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I'm a big fan of the understated, no nonsense looks and functionality of a ss DJ or Exp in 36mm and really like the 38-40mm size of the newer Exp and Sub. So, I don't think you can go wrong with either, but I've got to say that I'm always impressed with just how pretty a Sub actually is. I've worn Rolex for 40 years, and if I ever had to limit myself to one watch (any brand), I think it would be a black bezel Sub or GMT in ss or tt.
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:51 AM   #19
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Sub Sub Sub... feels a lot better on the wrist
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:55 AM   #20
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I think I'm even more confused now than earlier, I know they are both great watches!
Decisions, decisions!
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Old 26 March 2014, 07:59 AM   #21
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Old 26 March 2014, 08:10 AM   #22
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Chaps

There is no definitive answer to this because we all have different values and taste.

I value discretion above all else and I wanted a brilliant watch that I could wear all the time and I did not want anyone else to notice it.

I therefore bought a 39mm Explorer1. It is a wonderfully discrete watch and it is for me at least, a watch that I will wear on the day that I die.

A Sub on the other hand screams ROLEX and that alone will mean that I will never wear one. Having said that, a Sub is the watch that some of you chaps would sell your wife for, so it is in all honesty, horses for courses.

Only the OP can decide on this one.

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Chaps

There is no definitive answer to this because we all have different values and taste.

I value discretion above all else and I wanted a brilliant watch that I could wear all the time and I did not want anyone else to notice it.

I therefore bought a 39mm Explorer1. It is a wonderfully discrete watch and it is for me at least, a watch that I will wear on the day that I die.

A Sub on the other hand screams ROLEX and that alone will mean that I will never wear one. Having said that, a Sub is the watch that some of you chaps would sell your wife for, so it is in all honesty, horses for courses.

Only the OP can decide on this one.

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Old 26 March 2014, 10:06 AM   #24
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Old 26 March 2014, 10:08 AM   #25
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Agree with the above, as to versatility of the Explorer. I can wear it anywhere because it flies under the radar. I like that. Were I to have a Sub (especially the C given the reflection off the bezel), I would wear it to a lesser degree. But that's just me.
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Old 26 March 2014, 10:52 AM   #26
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Go the 14060M Sub. Amazing watch.
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Old 26 March 2014, 10:53 AM   #27
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Old 26 March 2014, 11:11 AM   #28
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Really difficult decision. You could always get the Sub and if it doesn't work out, go back to the Explorer I 39mm. I personally think the 14060M is a gem/masterpiece.
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Both great watches, but if I had to only have one, it would be the Sub.
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Get an older 14060m, say a Y serial, then you will get much better value.
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