5513 Feet first dial

[RSH1]

Hi guys, I'm looking for some info on this 5513 dial, I can't seem to place which era it is from



It's a feet first with "Submariner" under, with the "Swiss T < 25" on top of five indices. All the other images of feet-first-sub-under dials I can find seem to have the "Swiss T < 25" on top of three indices. I've found a feet first with Swiss T over five here, but that has the "Submariner" on top.

The case is a 1.2mill serial (1967ish?) so presumably it has had a new dial fitted at some point as I believe 1.2mill was metres first era. It has had bezel insert and crystal replaced.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

[Robbyvm]

Nothing in this sticky ?

http://www.5513mattedial.com/

[RSH1]

Originally Posted by Robbyvm

Nothing in this sticky ?

http://www.5513mattedial.com/

The closest match from that gallery seems to be the "non-serif dial"



But the "Swiss T" is still different.

[donq]

Mk 1 maxi dial circa 1978 or pre comex.
I think with that S on Submariner probably Pre Comex.
Hard to tell without seeing the coronet.

[RSH1]

Originally Posted by donq

Hard to tell without seeing the coronet.

It does look like the "fat" pre-comex to me, but what about the "Swiss T" in the metres first style? Also shouldn't the horizontal strokes of F and T be aligned for Maxi I and Pre-Comex?

[1675-David]

Looks redone, you're going to want one of the local sub experts to chime in but I see a couple of issues with this watch.

[RSH1]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

Looks redone, you're going to want one of the local sub experts to chime in but I see a couple of issues with this watch.

What issues in particular?

[TurboWatch]

There are a number of issues:

1. With that serial number, you should have a GILT MF dial.
2. The pearl and insert are after market ( usually the bezel and the retainer as well )
3. That serif FF dial is WRONG. If you want to know what's wrong with it, PM me. Certainly don't want the fake makers to know.
4. I can't tell for sure if the hands are bad from the scans ...

[Beaumont Miller II]

Well said Tom.

I have nothing good to say about that dial. You look at a few correct serif/non serif dials and you can spot a bad one like this rather quickly.