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aaamax · 7 March 2015, 06:05 AM

Here is an interesting dial. The photos are not blurry, this is actually how the dial looks.
It's a bit over the top no?

Frogman4me · 7 March 2015, 06:13 AM

Yes and no. This is not an ideal tropical, to most its a damaged dial. I still don't mind owning something like this but I would not pay a premium because the seller states "tropical" dial. In fact I would consider this a damaged dial and would expect to pay significantly less than a standard non tropical dial of the same reference.

MitchSteel · 7 March 2015, 06:22 AM

There's water damaged, and there's sun damaged( tropical).....I'll take the sun damaged.

RC2 · 7 March 2015, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogman4me

Yes and no. This is not an ideal tropical, to most its a damaged dial. I still don't mind owning something like this but I would not pay a premium because the seller states "tropical" dial. In fact I would consider this a damaged dial and would expect to pay significantly less than a standard non tropical dial of the same reference.

Agree. Maybe I have no idea what I am talking about but a lot of the watches I see what are tropical are damaged and people are following the fad of tropical. Imo

oldLeatherNeck · 7 March 2015, 01:10 PM

dial is one thing, the lumes are all bad/washed out.

not for me

g-boac · 7 March 2015, 06:58 AM

This isn't tropical. This is damaged. There is a distinction.

First off, the whole term "tropical" and "chocolate" are probably somewhere between misnomers, and words that have detached quite a bit from their original meanings...

I think the intent behind "tropical" was to capture a dial that naturally aged and faded from its original, deep, black color to a more faded tone. Generally this fade trends brown, although it can also trend grey.

Your typical seller crowd on eBay, chrono24, etc began co-opting that term to where instances now include dials that are damaged - not aged and intact; not exhibiting evidence of use but care; but outright damage.

I don't consider a damaged dial to be "tropical", or, desirable. And certainly not worth a premium!!!!

LunetteVerde · 7 March 2015, 01:19 PM

IMO Definitely not the following :

1. Tropical
2. Starburst
3. Stardust
4. Milky Way

Just a plain moisture damaged dial dude. Call me cynical but i call a spade a spade

♛lunetteverde@Instagram♛

aaamax · 7 March 2015, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LunetteVerde

...Just a plain moisture damaged dial dude. Call me cynical but i call a spade a spade

Exactly and the point of my posting… how far some push the boundaries and try to make an actual flaw into a reason to charge a premium.

MonBK · 7 March 2015, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by aaamax

Exactly and the point of my posting… how far some push the boundaries and try to make an actual flaw into a reason to charge a premium.

x2, reminds me of the damaged brown DD dial recently posted where the owner claimed it was a rare stardust dial.

Vincent65 · 7 March 2015, 06:20 PM

Well, she ain't purrty!

Vincent65 · 7 March 2015, 07:31 PM

I think most would agree (wish to be able) to pay a premium for something like this. A stunning tropical 1665. Photo borrowed from Fabrizio - who posted this on VRF - which I hope is okay.

That's the epitome of tropical, IMHO

brandrea · 8 March 2015, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent65

I think most would agree (wish to be able) to pay a premium for something like this. A stunning tropical 1665. Photo borrowed from Fabrizio - who posted this on VRF - which I hope is okay.

That's the epitome of tropical, IMHO

It doesn't get any better than that!!!!

mluther · 8 March 2015, 12:04 AM

I'm a huge fan of tropical dials - not a fan of damaged dials. My research points at a handful of watches that have the DNA to turn brown over time and this is down to nothing other than the dial's paint mixture. The stunning DRSD posted above is a Mark II dial that had the ability to turn. Some were changed out at service as Rolex deemed these to be faulty dials, making a tropical MKII DRSD pretty rare. The same goes for the MKII 1680 red sub - there are some stunning tropical examples of faded to brown dials. Other great references that have this DNA are the late 60's/early 70's daytonas where the black paint has turned brown.

The rest for me is damage and not something I would ever buy let alone pay a premium for.

PoderEsBueno · 8 March 2015, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mluther

I'm a huge fan of tropical dials - not a fan of damaged dials. My research points at a handful of watches that have the DNA to turn brown over time and this is down to nothing other than the dial's paint mixture. The stunning DRSD posted above is a Mark II dial that had the ability to turn. Some were changed out at service as Rolex deemed these to be faulty dials, making a tropical MKII DRSD pretty rare. The same goes for the MKII 1680 red sub - there are some stunning tropical examples of faded to brown dials. Other great references that have this DNA are the late 60's/early 70's daytonas where the black paint has turned brown.

The rest for me is damage and not something I would ever buy let alone pay a premium for.

I think some early 1675 dials could be added to this list

Photo Credit:B&S

mluther · 8 March 2015, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PoderEsBueno

I think some early 1675 dials could be added to this list

Photo Credit:B&S

Agreed PEB, had one in my hand a few weeks ago, took too long deciding and it was sold in a flash.

The above 1675 also shows a peculiarity that I see a lot of, the true tropicals almost always seem to have very light/white plots and hands - not sure why this is, but does seem to be a common element....

As we're talking tropical:

Here's my DRSD:

sennheiserz · 8 March 2015, 12:36 AM

I was looking at the MF 5513 the other day and was thinking the same thing! If anyone is interested:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Rolex-S...-/191508972671

jdmi32 · 8 March 2015, 02:28 AM

Tropical vs too tropical...

PoderEsBueno · 8 March 2015, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jdmi32

Tropical vs too tropical...

Nice visual support

Wesley Crusher · 8 March 2015, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmi32

Tropical vs too tropical...

springer · 8 March 2015, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jdmi32

Tropical vs too tropical...

Ky, you're still my hero, my friend. Geat visual!!!!!!!!!!

LunetteVerde · 9 March 2015, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jdmi32

Tropical vs too tropical...

LMAOOOOO

♛lunetteverde@Instagram♛

southtexas · 8 March 2015, 06:57 AM

Too tropical?

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MonBK · 8 March 2015, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by southtexas

Too tropical?

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Just a tad.

JohnBaker3 · 8 March 2015, 08:38 AM

I beautiful tropical dial is to die for....

Here are a couple I found on the internet and can only dream of...

Photo compliments of RPR

7 March 2015, 06:05 AM	#1
aaamax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Sweden of yore Posts: 483	At what point is Tropical too tropical? Here is an interesting dial. The photos are not blurry, this is actually how the dial looks. It's a bit over the top no? Attached Images __________________ * * * -Friends Don't Let Friends RSC-

7 March 2015, 06:22 AM	#3
MitchSteel "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: MDangerSteel Location: Canada Watch: Vintage Rolex Posts: 2,301	There's water damaged, and there's sun damaged( tropical).....I'll take the sun damaged. __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons Probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival---Capt. Rage Don't believe anything in aviation, 'till V1---Mitch Danger Steel

7 March 2015, 07:31 PM	#11
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	I think most would agree (wish to be able) to pay a premium for something like this. A stunning tropical 1665. Photo borrowed from Fabrizio - who posted this on VRF - which I hope is okay. That's the epitome of tropical, IMHO Attached Images

8 March 2015, 12:04 AM	#13
mluther "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Michael Location: Brussels Watch: aholic Posts: 1,108	I'm a huge fan of tropical dials - not a fan of damaged dials. My research points at a handful of watches that have the DNA to turn brown over time and this is down to nothing other than the dial's paint mixture. The stunning DRSD posted above is a Mark II dial that had the ability to turn. Some were changed out at service as Rolex deemed these to be faulty dials, making a tropical MKII DRSD pretty rare. The same goes for the MKII 1680 red sub - there are some stunning tropical examples of faded to brown dials. Other great references that have this DNA are the late 60's/early 70's daytonas where the black paint has turned brown. The rest for me is damage and not something I would ever buy let alone pay a premium for. __________________ Instagram: michael.luther

8 March 2015, 12:36 AM	#16
sennheiserz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Real Name: Dave Location: Brooklyn, NY Watch: ♛ + Ω + Posts: 601	I was looking at the MF 5513 the other day and was thinking the same thing! If anyone is interested: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Rolex-S...-/191508972671 __________________ My Watch Blog - http://www.wristtimes.com Collection: Rolex Sub NDc 114060 \| Omega SMP 861 \| Apple Watch SS

7 March 2015, 06:13 AM	#2
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	Yes and no. This is not an ideal tropical, to most its a damaged dial. I still don't mind owning something like this but I would not pay a premium because the seller states "tropical" dial. In fact I would consider this a damaged dial and would expect to pay significantly less than a standard non tropical dial of the same reference.

7 March 2015, 01:10 PM	#5
oldLeatherNeck "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: East Bay Posts: 158	dial is one thing, the lumes are all bad/washed out. not for me

7 March 2015, 06:58 AM	#6
g-boac 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: N/A Posts: 343	This isn't tropical. This is damaged. There is a distinction. First off, the whole term "tropical" and "chocolate" are probably somewhere between misnomers, and words that have detached quite a bit from their original meanings... I think the intent behind "tropical" was to capture a dial that naturally aged and faded from its original, deep, black color to a more faded tone. Generally this fade trends brown, although it can also trend grey. Your typical seller crowd on eBay, chrono24, etc began co-opting that term to where instances now include dials that are damaged - not aged and intact; not exhibiting evidence of use but care; but outright damage. I don't consider a damaged dial to be "tropical", or, desirable. And certainly not worth a premium!!!!

7 March 2015, 01:19 PM	#7
LunetteVerde "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: lunetteverde Location: Asia Watch: me @ Instagram Posts: 823	IMO Definitely not the following : 1. Tropical 2. Starburst 3. Stardust 4. Milky Way Just a plain moisture damaged dial dude. Call me cynical but i call a spade a spade ♛lunetteverde@Instagram♛

7 March 2015, 06:20 PM	#10
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	Well, she ain't purrty!

8 March 2015, 02:28 AM	#17
jdmi32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Ky Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: 16570 Posts: 2,362	Tropical vs too tropical... Attached Images

8 March 2015, 06:57 AM	#22
southtexas 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Great State of TX Posts: 5,764	Too tropical? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Forty six & 2 are just ahead of me. Follow me on Instagram @ccrolex

8 March 2015, 08:38 AM	#24
JohnBaker3 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: John Baker III Location: Spring,Texas Watch: 1971 Red Sub Posts: 2,222	I beautiful tropical dial is to die for.... Here are a couple I found on the internet and can only dream of... Photo compliments of RPR Attached Images __________________ As I've grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing off everyone is a piece of cake.

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