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Juantxo · 16 October 2016, 05:45 AM

So I finally received two Horotec screwdrivers for removing Rolex bracelet links. One is 160, the other 180. I used them on my Sea Dweller in order to compare them to the famed Rolex 2100 and to my trusty Wiha 260 P (1.8 X 40).

The Horotec 180 is too wide for the Rolex screw. The 160 fits length-wise but it's too thin thus fits loosely. The hollow tip Wiha 260 P fits as well as the Rolex 2100.

I hope this helps.

bmpregler · 16 October 2016, 06:03 AM

Thanks for the info. Off to Amazon.

Do you happen to have the part number. Don't see that exact driver.

Thanks

Juantxo · 16 October 2016, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmpregler

Thanks for the info. Off to Amazon.

Do you happen to have the part number. Don't see that exact driver.

Thanks

Hey, not fair. I provide you with valuable info and your avatar makes me hungry...!!!

Wiha Pico Finish 260 P, Germany. 010995 004804

mtgjr · 17 October 2016, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Juantxo

Hey, not fair. I provide you with valuable info and your avatar makes me hungry...!!!

Wiha Pico Finish 260 P, Germany. 010995 004804

So this Wiha PicoFinish fits without having to file it down, despite being 1.8mm? Also, are you sure it has a hollow ground tip? It looks like a standard taper tip, and the description doesn't indicate anything different.

tifosi · 16 October 2016, 06:15 AM

Can you compare any of these to the Bergeon 1.6??

Juantxo · 16 October 2016, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tifosi

Can you compare any of these to the Bergeon 1.6??

The "problem" with the Bergeon is that the tip of the driver is flat, thus it might mar the head of the screw. In order to avoid ant damage to the head of the screw, the ideal driver tip (as per the Rolex 2100 tool) ought to be hollow.

As a matter of fact, the Horotec drivers in the attached pictures are hollow, except that being the tip rather thin it puts the pressure of the screw driver at the ends of the slot on the screw.

handsfull · 16 October 2016, 01:20 PM

If you want the BEST fit possible.....File the sides of the 1.8mm down to 1.7mm. That is the EXACT size of the Rolex link screw (Same as the Rolex 2100 tool).

Juantxo · 16 October 2016, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by handsfull

If you want the BEST fit possible.....File the sides of the 1.8mm down to 1.7mm. That is the EXACT size of the Rolex link screw (Same as the Rolex 2100 tool).

The blades on both Horotech are too thin and move from side to side in the slot. At least that's the case with the ones I just bought.

Kippers · 17 October 2016, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Juantxo

The blades on both Horotech are too thin and move from side to side in the slot. At least that's the case with the ones I just bought.

I have a different Horotec that came with flat blades but I bought the hollow ground replacements. Works great for my SD4K.

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jimi · 16 October 2016, 02:31 PM

File the 1.6 at 90' with very fine sandpaper until there is no play. You can use the Bergeon roller for better result. I use this method on a Bergeon and generic hollow screwdrivers.

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TitanCi · 6 November 2016, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimi

File the 1.6 at 90' with very fine sandpaper until there is no play. You can use the Bergeon roller for better result. I use this method on a Bergeon and generic hollow screwdrivers.

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I took a flat head for eyeglasses and filed it at 90 degrees to make it wider as you stated. I have yet to try this today! I can't imagine it not working well.

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No SUBctitute · 17 October 2016, 05:01 AM

So, none of the below screwdrivers would work for a SubC, including the Horotec that some here have touted???

Horotec Micro Ball Bearings Screwdriver with 1.60 mm Curvature Blade
http://www.ofrei.com/page1701.html#34354

1.6mm Cut-out Screw Driver for Panerai Radiomir Firenze
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...&condition=all

1.60MM CUT OUT SCREW DRIVER FOR ROLEX SUBMARINER 116610 TOOL
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-60MM-CUT-O...-/171421126377

I cannot find a link to buy the Wiha Pico Finish 260 P, Germany, 010995 004804, referenced above. Can anyone assist on where to buy?

Juantxo · 17 October 2016, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No SUBctitute

So, none of the below screwdrivers would work for a SubC, including the Horotec that some here have touted???

Horotec Micro Ball Bearings Screwdriver with 1.60 mm Curvature Blade
http://www.ofrei.com/page1701.html#34354

1.6mm Cut-out Screw Driver for Panerai Radiomir Firenze
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...&condition=all

1.60MM CUT OUT SCREW DRIVER FOR ROLEX SUBMARINER 116610 TOOL
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-60MM-CUT-O...-/171421126377

I cannot find a link to buy the Wiha Pico Finish 260 P, Germany, 010995 004804, referenced above. Can anyone assist on where to buy?

They would work. However, in the case of the Horotec drivers I received, the blade is a bit thinner than the width of the screw's head, thus it doesn't fit snugly and the pressure goes to the ends. Also, the blades on the Horotec are rather short, shorter than the blade on the other two drivers (Wiha and 2100).

Of course, you could file almost any screwdriver to fit any slot. I've tried it with some of the Bergeon screw drivers and they've worked fine. In every case, you must be careful, though.

And for $17 I'd buy the Panerai/Horotec to see how it works. It might fit better than the regular Horotec I bought.

RoleyPolly · 17 October 2016, 05:32 AM

I was just recently looking at drivers for the oyster bracelet links when I saw this post. Not sure if the drive I ordered is exactly OPs. So I searched and ended up getting the 260p 1.8 x 40 slotted screwdriver. The SKU# is 26055. Unfortunately, Amazon doesn't have the 260p just the 260. So here is the link where I found them. Price shipped was $11.63. If this is the one that's a bargain!

http://www.wihatools.com/picofinish-...d-screwdrivers

No SUBctitute · 21 October 2016, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoleyPolly

I was just recently looking at drivers for the oyster bracelet links when I saw this post. Not sure if the drive I ordered is exactly OPs. So I searched and ended up getting the 260p 1.8 x 40 slotted screwdriver. The SKU# is 26055. Unfortunately, Amazon doesn't have the 260p just the 260. So here is the link where I found them. Price shipped was $11.63. If this is the one that's a bargain!

http://www.wihatools.com/picofinish-...d-screwdrivers

I just ordered the Wiha so we'll see how it is. Pretty cheap. Makes me have my doubts. :-) I ordered it none too soon. A screw started backing out of my SubC....a screw that is normally covered by the Glidelock clasp, but I just happened to fully extend the bracelet a few days ago.

No SUBctitute · 6 November 2016, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No SUBctitute

I just ordered the Wiha so we'll see how it is. Pretty cheap. Makes me have my doubts. :-) I ordered it none too soon. A screw started backing out of my SubC....a screw that is normally covered by the Glidelock clasp, but I just happened to fully extend the bracelet a few days ago.

I received my PicoFinish Precision Slotted 1.8 x 40mm screwdriver within several days of ordering. It fits into the slot just fine but it is not tight. There is some play in it. It got the job done okay, however I'm not sure if the loose fit will slowly damage the screws.

http://www.wihatools.com/picofinish-...d-screwdrivers
(item #26055)

Juantxo · 6 November 2016, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No SUBctitute

I received my PicoFinish Precision Slotted 1.8 x 40mm screwdriver within several days of ordering. It fits into the slot just fine but it is not tight. There is some play in it. It got the job done okay, however I'm not sure if the loose fit will slowly damage the screws.

http://www.wihatools.com/picofinish-...d-screwdrivers
(item #26055)

You won't need to exert too much pressure tightening the screws if you use a little Loctite.

No SUBctitute · 7 November 2016, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juantxo

You won't need to exert too much pressure tightening the screws if you use a little Loctite.

Has anyone also found the fit of the PicoFinish Precision Slotted 1.8 x 40mm screwdriver to be loose?

Should I try to sandpaper down the screwdriver?

DCheeta · 17 October 2016, 06:15 AM

Your Wiha is 1.8? I've always read that 1.6 is the proper size, which is what I bought years ago. I'm going to order the Wiha that you use.

Thanks for doing all the research and taking the time to share the results!

Juantxo · 17 October 2016, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCheeta

Your Wiha is 1.8? I've always read that 1.6 is the proper size, which is what I bought years ago. I'm going to order the Wiha that you use.

Thanks for doing all the research and taking the time to share the results!

You're very welcome.

Please note that the Wiha screwdriver is marked 18 X 40. The tip is not as hollowed as the 2100 tool but fits just fine in the Rolex screw slot. Of course, the perfect tool is the Ref. 2100.

If you take a close look at the Horotec, the tip is thin and short. The 18 Horotec tip will not fit the Rolex screw, the 16 will do so.

In summary, The perfect tool is the Rolex Ref. 2100, no doubt. The Wiha 1.8 X 40 works just as well. The Horotec I will keep as souvenirs.

enjoythemusic · 17 October 2016, 07:50 AM

Thoughts? 1.6mm and flat blade/sides

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171421126377?rmvSB=true

mtgjr · 17 October 2016, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Thoughts? 1.6mm and flat blade/sides

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171421126377?rmvSB=true

Should work fine.

Boaters · 17 October 2016, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Thoughts? 1.6mm and flat blade/sides

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171421126377?rmvSB=true

It is the proper size and hollow ground my only issue would be the steel they say quality but they are not going to say it is made in china. For that kind of money maybe check out Otto Frei ... Just my opinion

Juantxo · 17 October 2016, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boaters

It is the proper size and hollow ground my only issue would be the steel they say quality but they are not going to say it is made in china. For that kind of money maybe check out Otto Frei ... Just my opinion

The main issues with Horotec are the too thin and short blades. I will not even try them seriously; that is, for instance, unscrewing a new screw (which tend to be a bit tough to remove as they are fitted with Loctite). Bergeon (Otto Frei) screwdrivers are flat and will likely do a poor job, been there done that. Horotec, as far as I am concerned, are useless.

Boaters · 17 October 2016, 08:07 AM

The best tool out there and I have tried a lot is the Rolex 2100 tool .. Bad thing is they are pricey.

mtgjr · 17 October 2016, 08:32 AM

Again, did you have to do any filing to make the Wiha 1.8 fit?

Thanks.

Juantxo · 17 October 2016, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtgjr

Again, did you have to do any filing to make the Wiha 1.8 fit?

Thanks.

No, I did not.

mtgjr · 17 October 2016, 08:47 AM

I'd really like to hear from someone who has tried this one. It is made to fit Rolex bracelets specifically and looks to be patterned after the 2100 tool, with identical specs on the driver tip.

http://www.watch-tool.de/html/rlx_special.php?id=0905hh

Boaters · 17 October 2016, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtgjr

I'd really like to hear from someone who has tried this one. It is made to fit Rolex bracelets specifically and looks to be patterned after the 2100 tool, with identical specs on the driver tip.

http://www.watch-tool.de/html/rlx_special.php?id=0905hh

That looks pretty cool and not to pricey I to would be interested.

Juantxo · 17 October 2016, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boaters

That looks pretty cool and not to pricey I to would be interested.

I just ordered one. I'll report upon arrival.

16 October 2016, 05:45 AM	#1
Juantxo Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: Utopia Posts: 2,101	Rolex bracelet screws shoot out... So I finally received two Horotec screwdrivers for removing Rolex bracelet links. One is 160, the other 180. I used them on my Sea Dweller in order to compare them to the famed Rolex 2100 and to my trusty Wiha 260 P (1.8 X 40). The Horotec 180 is too wide for the Rolex screw. The 160 fits length-wise but it's too thin thus fits loosely. The hollow tip Wiha 260 P fits as well as the Rolex 2100. I hope this helps. Attached Images

16 October 2016, 06:15 AM	#5
tifosi "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Russ Location: Southern NJ Posts: 5,760	Can you compare any of these to the Bergeon 1.6?? __________________ Russ

16 October 2016, 02:31 PM	#10
jimi "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Rolex Box Posts: 100	Rolex bracelet screws shoot out... File the 1.6 at 90' with very fine sandpaper until there is no play. You can use the Bergeon roller for better result. I use this method on a Bergeon and generic hollow screwdrivers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

17 October 2016, 07:50 AM	#21
enjoythemusic 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Steven Location: Glocal Posts: 21,188	Thoughts? 1.6mm and flat blade/sides http://www.ebay.com/itm/171421126377?rmvSB=true __________________ __________________ ----> Was Great Seeing Everyone At The TRF December 9 Tampa Meetup <---- https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=968133 Love timepieces and want to become a Watchmaker? Rolex has a sensational school. www.RolexWatchmakingTrainingCenter.com/ Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory.

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16 October 2016, 06:03 AM	#2
bmpregler Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Brandon Location: OK, USA Watch: Sub Date/Tudor Chr Posts: 261	Thanks for the info. Off to Amazon. Do you happen to have the part number. Don't see that exact driver. Thanks

16 October 2016, 01:20 PM	#7
handsfull "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: J Location: The great Midwest Watch: youlookinat? Posts: 2,369	If you want the BEST fit possible.....File the sides of the 1.8mm down to 1.7mm. That is the EXACT size of the Rolex link screw (Same as the Rolex 2100 tool).

17 October 2016, 05:01 AM	#12
No SUBctitute "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 2,809	So, none of the below screwdrivers would work for a SubC, including the Horotec that some here have touted??? Horotec Micro Ball Bearings Screwdriver with 1.60 mm Curvature Blade http://www.ofrei.com/page1701.html#34354 1.6mm Cut-out Screw Driver for Panerai Radiomir Firenze https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...&condition=all 1.60MM CUT OUT SCREW DRIVER FOR ROLEX SUBMARINER 116610 TOOL http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-60MM-CUT-O...-/171421126377 I cannot find a link to buy the Wiha Pico Finish 260 P, Germany, 010995 004804, referenced above. Can anyone assist on where to buy?

17 October 2016, 05:32 AM	#14
RoleyPolly "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Wisconsin Watch: BLNR & 79220N Posts: 130	I was just recently looking at drivers for the oyster bracelet links when I saw this post. Not sure if the drive I ordered is exactly OPs. So I searched and ended up getting the 260p 1.8 x 40 slotted screwdriver. The SKU# is 26055. Unfortunately, Amazon doesn't have the 260p just the 260. So here is the link where I found them. Price shipped was $11.63. If this is the one that's a bargain! http://www.wihatools.com/picofinish-...d-screwdrivers

17 October 2016, 06:15 AM	#19
DCheeta "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Dave Location: NYC Posts: 7,181	Your Wiha is 1.8? I've always read that 1.6 is the proper size, which is what I bought years ago. I'm going to order the Wiha that you use. Thanks for doing all the research and taking the time to share the results!

17 October 2016, 08:07 AM	#25
Boaters 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: 116610LV 16710 SD Posts: 10,653	The best tool out there and I have tried a lot is the Rolex 2100 tool .. Bad thing is they are pricey.

17 October 2016, 08:32 AM	#26
mtgjr Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Mike Location: Tampa, Florida Watch: Pepsi GMT Posts: 2,926	Again, did you have to do any filing to make the Wiha 1.8 fit? Thanks.

17 October 2016, 08:47 AM	#28
mtgjr Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Mike Location: Tampa, Florida Watch: Pepsi GMT Posts: 2,926	I'd really like to hear from someone who has tried this one. It is made to fit Rolex bracelets specifically and looks to be patterned after the 2100 tool, with identical specs on the driver tip. http://www.watch-tool.de/html/rlx_special.php?id=0905hh

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