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28 April 2017, 01:18 AM | #1 |
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Service vs "Adjusting" in slowing watch
If a watch is fast/slow regularly,
Shall it be adjusted to right timing or shall it be serviced fully? Thanks Fellows |
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That would depend on how old the watch and by how much the +or- was if just a few seconds either way simple regulation is all thats needed only.Without much information in your post cannot give a better answer, and consistency is very important in any mechanical watch.
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how about a watch +- 20s and it is year 2000? thanks |
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This is something I've been thinking about recently, so I'll hijack.
I have two watches from around 2010. Both about +20 spd (one changed from about +6 recently.) Took them to a watch repair guy and he said the timing machine showed they were in good shape and didn't need a service. (I'm guessing he looked at amplitude and error.) But we're still getting close to 10 years since production. Service anyway, or regulate? |
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Regulate first, it's inexpensive. If that doesn't fix, then service.
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It is according to the beat rate error and amplitude. If they are all over the place then a regulation won't work.
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This. It's the reason why I own a timegrapher (also studying watchmaking). I can tell when a watch needs a simple regulation or time for service.
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Maybe this has been discussed elsewhere, but can you have a watch with great amplitude and acceptable error that would still need a service just for clean and lubrication? Or put in a different way: do amplitude and error problems alone constitute the requirements for service, or are there other factors that ignore the feedback from a timegrapher? |
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My guess... is that there can be issues with the watch that require service, despite a watch functioning well, keeping good time and showing great amplitude. One small example is that you could have issues with a crown stem and mono block that I don't affecting a timeograph report. |
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My company watchmaker believes in fixing the actual problem of the watch, and not automatically saying "it needs a full service". Because most of the time it can be a cheaper solution to problem. |
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Usually amplitude is a great way to determine the condition of the movement....but the key is measuring the amplitude over periods in different positions (which his timegrapher does, it rotates the watch and measures over periods in different key positions). If the amplitude looks good and error rate looks low in all positions, he tends to recommend to wait on the service on vintage pieces......I'd think this is good advice as he's a guy that could sometimes tell if something's wrong with a watch by the way it winds (that's how many watches he's handled throughout the years). To answer the OP's question....it's not uncommon for watches to have good amplitude but bad error rates or get magnetized over time and be off COSC significantly....as long as the error is consistent (for example if it's +20, it's +20 every day, not +20 one day, -10 another, and -30 the next etc). If that's the case, probably the watch only needs a regulation and not a full service. |
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I totally understand the whole thing with vintage pieces and don't have an issue with the mentality of service only when you need to for these cases, but I mean you by yourself a $20,000 watch is $800 every 5 to 7 years really in the end of the world.
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Wow, IMO 20 seconds per day ain't right. I don't know how much regulation can adjust, but it might not be that much. I'd be surprised if you didn't need a service, but there are much more knowledgeable people than me who will chime in.
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Microstella tool this is the older tool Rolex now has a more moderned one but it does the same job and adjustment is done the same way. Balance-wheel.
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I look at how consistent it is. IFF its very consistent in its loss in a period then adjust. If losses are not very consistent or if there is no more adjustment to be made then it is time for service.
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Time keeping is only one part of needing a service. What's the amplitude and beat rate? What's the power reserve? An otherwise healthy watch that tells slightly poor time is a good candidate for regulation.
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Yeah i know what you mean...i owned 355 and it was pricey to maintain but since i sold it i miss that car..makes an 800 dollar bill feel like chicken feed anyway my point is is the price of owning a beautiful watch maintain it properly and you won't have to worry about it
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This is one of the ones my guys have
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Thanks guys
my rolex certified watchmaker checked my watch and say just need to regulate for now |
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