Sellers wanting reviews But rarely do they give them to buyers

[drgoro]

This has been my experience with some big dogs and some of the new comers to the market place alike. Seems disengenous to have both parties agree to leave reviews for each other before sale concludes, then the seller declines or becomes forgetful afterwards. Annoying really.

[Baco Noir]

I don't see a lot of value in leaving feedback for a buyer, but would if asked and I've never been asked.

Not a whole lot of effort to be a good buyer - send money when promised.

Selling requires a lot more effort - proper listing details/specifications, photos, shipping/insurance/tracking, answering questions from a ton of tire kickers, deal with those who want negotiate after they already agreed to a price, vetting real buyers from scammers, and much more.

[drgoro]

It legitimizes the buyer as a genuine contributor to the market place, creates a log of successful deals and eases any tension if and when the buyer decides to sell one of his own piece. It could also help other sellers recognize a 'tire kicker' from a true buyer when offers are being made on a watch. There is value.

Originally Posted by Baco Noir

I don't see a lot of value in leaving feedback for a buyer, but would if asked and I've never been asked.

Not a whole lot of effort to be a good buyer - send money when promised.

Selling requires a lot more effort - proper listing details/specifications, photos, shipping/insurance/tracking, answering questions from a ton of tire kickers, deal with those who want negotiate after they already agreed to a price, vetting real buyers from scammers, and much more.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by drgoro

It legitimizes the buyer as a genuine contributor to the market place, creates a log of successful deals and eases any tension if and when the buyer decides to sell one of his own piece. It could also help other sellers recognize a 'tire kicker' from a true buyer when offers are being made on a watch. There is value.

Agree. Also many sellers are justifiably reluctant to accept PayPal. A sterling buying history might ease that and PayPal is much more convenient for most buyers.

[SPARTAN2161]

Originally Posted by drgoro

It legitimizes the buyer as a genuine contributor to the market place, creates a log of successful deals and eases any tension if and when the buyer decides to sell one of his own piece. It could also help other sellers recognize a 'tire kicker' from a true buyer when offers are being made on a watch. There is value.

Agree 100%. I always leave feedback and always ask for it in return.

[mistermann]

If I needed references to sell a watch I'd probably tell my potential buyer to get in touch with Thanh and I'm sure he'd gladly tell of the good business history.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by drgoro

This has been my experience with some big dogs and some of the new comers to the market place alike. Seems disengenous to have both parties agree to leave reviews for each other before sale concludes, then the seller declines or becomes forgetful afterwards. Annoying really.

Then just leave a follow-up review saying that the seller didn't leave you a review as agreed/promised. That should get things moving

[ejvette]

Originally Posted by Baco Noir

I don't see a lot of value in leaving feedback for a buyer, but would if asked and I've never been asked.

Not a whole lot of effort to be a good buyer - send money when promised.

Selling requires a lot more effort - proper listing details/specifications, photos, shipping/insurance/tracking, answering questions from a ton of tire kickers, deal with those who want negotiate after they already agreed to a price, vetting real buyers from scammers, and much more.

The value to a member of the forum and I speak from experience is that it helps to establish credibility so if at some point in the future you want to sell a piece it shows you have a history of legit transactions.

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Then just leave a follow-up review saying that the seller didn't leave you a review as agreed/promised. That should get things moving

Great Idea Adam I'm going to do that next time!

I've done transactions with several of our "Trusted Sellers" and asked for feedback to be left with no results including DavidSW.

[drgoro]

Right.

This has made me open up my ring of truster sellers just a bit more, and give the newer guys a shot.

Originally Posted by ejvette

The value to a member of the forum and I speak from experience is that it helps to establish credibility so if at some point in the future you want to sell a piece it shows you have a history of legit transactions.



Great Idea Adam I'm going to do that next time!

I've done transactions with several of our "Trusted Sellers" and asked for feedback to be left with no results including DavidSW.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Then just leave a follow-up review saying that the seller didn't leave you a review as agreed/promised. That should get things moving

good idea.

however, don't be surprised if you're on the list after making a comment.

always exercise professionalism and take the high road using PM's and keep a record of agreements and screenshots.

while we all enjoy popcorn with the public airing of grievances, its not always the best way to handle things.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

good idea.

however, don't be surprised if you're on the list after making a comment.

always exercise professionalism and take the high road using PM's and keep a record of agreements and screenshots.

while we all enjoy popcorn with the public airing of grievances, its not always the best way to handle things.

It was the only way to get my hang tag.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

It was the only way to get my hang tag.

you ruined a good person for a tag.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

you ruined a good person for a tag.

Break a deal, face the wheel.

[tamiya]

fwiw if this forum is powered by vBulletin there's various plugins available eg iTrader that can be installed to offer an easy feedback tally system like fleaBay's

[Abdullah71601]

Adam is right.

I didn't get the hang tag on a new watch from a very trusted seller. After three emails over three weeks, I got nothing. One post in a thread he was monitoring and it was in the mail that day.

If they agreed to post feedback as part of the transaction, you should post feedback if they didn't complete the transaction.

[GB-man]

Never had trouble getting feedback from any of the sellers or buyers I've dealt with thankfully.

[droptopman]

If I have requested feedback they have left it. One I had to remind a couple of times. I like Adam's suggestion to use your own feedback as a mechanism to make sure the seller follows through and leaves feedback when requested.

[mfer]

Just because someone bought a real watch from a seller doesn't mean they'll be a good seller. I think the sellers want to stay away from giving references b/c if a deal goes bad once the person sells, the person who bought the misrepresented watch can say , "well davidsw gave him a positive review, it must be ok." Not the case and power sellers likely don't want the risk.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by mfer

Just because someone bought a real watch from a seller doesn't mean they'll be a good seller. I think the sellers want to stay away from giving references b/c if a deal goes bad once the person sells, the person who bought the misrepresented watch can say , "well davidsw gave him a positive review, it must be ok." Not the case and power sellers likely don't want the risk.

bingo.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by mfer

Just because someone bought a real watch from a seller doesn't mean they'll be a good seller. I think the sellers want to stay away from giving references b/c if a deal goes bad once the person sells, the person who bought the misrepresented watch can say , "well davidsw gave him a positive review, it must be ok." Not the case and power sellers likely don't want the risk.

I don't see how providing feedback on a buyer implies he's a good seller. It just says the buyer didn't make the sellers life miserable and he'd be willing to sell to the guy again.

A lot of sellers look for buyer references. If sellers aren't willing to provide buyer feedback, how is a buyer expected to rate?

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

I don't see how providing feedback on a buyer implies he's a good seller. It just says the buyer didn't make the sellers life miserable and he'd be willing to sell to the guy again.

A lot of sellers look for buyer references. If sellers aren't willing to provide buyer feedback, how is a buyer expected to rate?

Exactly

If I'm a seller I'd like to know that a potential buyer has a legit buying history. It's essential for a seller accepting PayPal as payment, and also minimizes the risk of dealing with an unreasonable buyer. I seem to remember a thread on TRF not too long ago where a buyer posts of a negative buying experience only to out himself as a buyer most would best avoid.

[BBL]

Originally Posted by Tony64

Exactly

If I'm a seller I'd like to know that a potential buyer has a legit buying history. It's essential for a seller accepting PayPal as payment, and also minimizes the risk of dealing with an unreasonable buyer. I seem to remember a thread on TRF not too long ago where a buyer posts of a negative buying experience only to out himself as a buyer most would best avoid.

Unfortunate.
And, hypothetically, if the "good", decent buyers who just want a nice Rolex, have done their diligent homework, ask a boat load of questions prior to the sale, only to be continuously reassured 'no worries', but then have an unfortunate experience after the sale, feel reluctant to share for this very reason.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by BBL

Unfortunate.
And, hypothetically, if the "good", decent buyers who just want a nice Rolex, have done their diligent homework, ask a boat load of questions prior to the sale, only to be continuously reassured 'no worries', but then have an unfortunate experience after the sale, feel reluctant to share for this very reason.

This is the thread I was referring to.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=549029

Some buyers are just harder to please than others...

[Baco Noir]

Originally Posted by mfer

Just because someone bought a real watch from a seller doesn't mean they'll be a good seller. I think the sellers want to stay away from giving references b/c if a deal goes bad once the person sells, the person who bought the misrepresented watch can say , "well davidsw gave him a positive review, it must be ok." Not the case and power sellers likely don't want the risk.

+1 On the first page, that was the subtext to my reply. Being a good buyer takes no effort - make a payment. Okay - it shows you have purchased a watch and are into watches, but nothing else about your credibility as a seller.

Being a good seller is a whole different animal. If I was buying from someone with only references as a buyer, that would not add any confidence for me that the seller was a good seller. It's going to take more than that - a long history on the forums and vetting who they are in real life.

When I sold my first watch on a forum, I took a boat load of photos from every angle and pointed to my long history of being a forum member to show I wasn't just joining a forum to scam someone. I also shared my LinkedIn profile and spoke to the buyer on the phone to answer any other questions they had. I've also been very honest about my descriptions and just told the OCD types, they should buy new and from someone else - my watches do get worn and have normal wear marks.

I've sold about 10 watches over the years and have continued answer questions to help buyers feel comfortable to wire transfer money to me - no deal has been lost because of my request for wire transfer only. I've been as transparent as I could with the buyers to make them feel they were dealing with an honest person including adding a 48 hr return policy, which has never been needed.

[drgoro]

You're giving feedback regarding how that/your specific transactions went, its not a guarantee of anything beyond. Regardless of their previous transactions, EVERY deal is still treated w due diligence regardless of their rep, I don't care if it's David Than, watches will get checked.

Furthermore, its just the decent thing to do, If the seller and buyer both agree to leave feedback it should be taken seriously on both sides and honored, just like any other business transactions. If they don't want to leave a review don't agree to it!

Originally Posted by mfer

Just because someone bought a real watch from a seller doesn't mean they'll be a good seller. I think the sellers want to stay away from giving references b/c if a deal goes bad once the person sells, the person who bought the misrepresented watch can say , "well davidsw gave him a positive review, it must be ok." Not the case and power sellers likely don't want the risk.

[BBL]

Hypothetical scenario:

If the watch is genuine, but the assuring, servicing component advertised does not match the condition of the gaskets or lubrication of the movement, how would that factor into feedback that the actual watch was authentic Rolex, but the watch did not run efficiently after two returns to seller for gross timing problems over a period of time during the watch's (sale) warranty period, the condition of which was confirmed and repaired by an independent, reputable watchmaker?

[BBL]

Thank you Tony64.
Yes, understand.
DM