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nikesupremedunk · 20 May 2018, 04:35 AM

If Rolex decides tomorrow that the Sub and the Sub Date will have the same MSRP of $8550, would the No Date still be as popular? Kind of how auto manufacturers give you the option of automatic (which usually costs more) but lets you choose the manual at "no charge". One of the biggest selling point of the ND over the Date for me was the price. I would definitely go for the Date if they were the same.

dmash · 20 May 2018, 04:37 AM

Automatic is more expensive with many manufacturers, especially in Europe.

And the date costs more because it’s a different movement.

LINVS · 20 May 2018, 04:39 AM

The No Date appeals to "purists" and collectors.

On the used market, NDs eventually catch up with Dates as time goes by.

Rolex has to charge more since its a more complicated movement.

GradyPhilpott · 20 May 2018, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LINVS

The No Date appeals to "purists" and collectors.

On the used market, NDs eventually catch up with Dates as time goes by.

Rolex has to charge more since its a more complicated movement.

Rushmore

LINVS · 20 May 2018, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Rushmore

"is that Latin?"

tyler1980 · 21 May 2018, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LINVS

The No Date appeals to "purists" and collectors.

i agree and i also think these people are typically less price sensitive. So same price they would still buy it because they prefer it.

the ND is more of a WIS watch no doubt. The date appeals to both WIS and non WIS.

GradyPhilpott · 20 May 2018, 04:40 AM

A Submariner has no date and any car worth driving has a manual transmission.

joli160 · 20 May 2018, 04:42 AM

I think the price difference is not the biggest concern for most buyers

jmrxtr · 21 May 2018, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by joli160

I think the price difference is not the biggest concern for most buyers

x2
i have both

dmash · 20 May 2018, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

A Submariner has no date and any car worth driving has a manual transmission.

Porsche’s PDK would probably disagree with that

GradyPhilpott · 20 May 2018, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dmash

Porsche’s PDK would probably disagree with that

I stand by my statement.

DLRIDES · 20 May 2018, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

A Submariner has no date and any car worth driving has a manual transmission.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I stand by my statement.

Hammer meets nail !

Rashid.bk · 20 May 2018, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dmash

Porsche’s PDK would probably disagree with that

Agreed, not to mention Formula 1, the pinnacle of automotive racing and performance.
Manuals are fun but if you've ever driven a real dual clutch transmission in aggression, you'd realize which is indeed better for fun and performance.

037 · 20 May 2018, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dmash

Porsche’s PDK would probably disagree with that

911R and Cayman GT4 disagree with whatever noise the PDK is making.

#ipickmyowngearsandsometimesmakemistakes

Justinmg · 20 May 2018, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

A Submariner has no date and any car worth driving has a manual transmission.

yep

MJZRolex · 20 May 2018, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

A Submariner has no date and any car worth driving has a manual transmission.

I don't think it is a price issue, but the clean, tasteful look of the Submariner. Long live the manual transmission.

RHIII · 20 May 2018, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

A Submariner has no date and any car worth driving has a manual transmission.

Bravo!!!

Truer words may never have been spoken!

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Bfd70 · 20 May 2018, 05:24 AM

Once you’re spending that much $ for a watch it would be silly to let the price difference keep you from getting exactly what you want. I suspect the $ is a non factor.

c41006 · 20 May 2018, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bfd70

Once you’re spending that much $ for a watch it would be silly to let the price difference keep you from getting exactly what you want. I suspect the $ is a non factor.

I agree. $1,050 is a small price to pay to get the watch you actually want instead of settling and most likely regretting it.

SLS · 20 May 2018, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bfd70

Once you’re spending that much $ for a watch it would be silly to let the price difference keep you from getting exactly what you want. I suspect the $ is a non factor.

My thoughts exactly

jb335 · 20 May 2018, 05:33 AM

When looking at an $8,000+ watch, I don’t think anyone is choosing the ND to save $500.

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Etschell · 20 May 2018, 05:35 AM

as an owner of the current iteration i hope they 86 it next year

siempreko · 20 May 2018, 05:54 AM

What if the ND cost $1,000 more than the sub date... would it become even more popular?

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Rolexavidfan · 20 May 2018, 06:40 AM

I would go for the No Date, but I’ll get the Hulk to add some variety.

rebel_1 · 20 May 2018, 07:17 AM

To me they are completely different. Personally, I would take a ND over a date.

thesharkfactor · 20 May 2018, 07:24 AM

I would get the one I wanted regardless of price difference. Funny though, when i bought my first back in 2004, I couldn't get a new 16610 at an AD anywhere so I bought a 14060M instead.

JR16 · 20 May 2018, 07:37 AM

I’ve never heard of someone getting a sub over a sub date because they wanted to save money. I don’t think the sub is a “popular” watch compared w the sub date ... the latter appears to the masses and WIS whereas it’s my impression is that the former appeals more to WIS.

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henry333 · 20 May 2018, 07:54 AM

No cyclops... I'll save it for the sea d and get a date on the sub

askdanny · 20 May 2018, 08:19 AM

No-date for the 5-digit reference because it looks more clean and the watch looks more tooly, but date for the 6-digit reference because it sports a dressier looking design — with a supercase and a maxi dial, I feel the watch looks incomplete with the cyclops missing.

Pacha · 20 May 2018, 08:24 AM

I like what Grady said.

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20 May 2018, 04:35 AM	#1
nikesupremedunk "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Real Name: Andrew Location: NYC Posts: 1,227	If a Submariner cost the same as a Sub Date? If Rolex decides tomorrow that the Sub and the Sub Date will have the same MSRP of $8550, would the No Date still be as popular? Kind of how auto manufacturers give you the option of automatic (which usually costs more) but lets you choose the manual at "no charge". One of the biggest selling point of the ND over the Date for me was the price. I would definitely go for the Date if they were the same. __________________ \| 116234 DJ36 \| 116610LN SubC \| 116520 Daytona \| BlackBay 58 Blue \|

20 May 2018, 04:40 AM	#7
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK047 Posts: 34,460	A Submariner has no date and any car worth driving has a manual transmission. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

20 May 2018, 04:42 AM	#8
joli160 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,759	I think the price difference is not the biggest concern for most buyers __________________ Day Date 18238, Yachtmaster 16622, Deepsea 116660, Submariner 116619, SkyD 326935, DJ 178271, DJ 69158, Yachtmaster 169622, GMT 116713LN, GMT 126711.

20 May 2018, 05:35 AM	#22
Etschell "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL Watch: platinum sub Posts: 15,884	as an owner of the current iteration i hope they 86 it next year __________________ If you wind it, they will run. 25 or 6 to 4.

20 May 2018, 04:37 AM	#2
dmash Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: USA <> BKK Posts: 6,160	Automatic is more expensive with many manufacturers, especially in Europe. And the date costs more because it’s a different movement.

20 May 2018, 04:39 AM	#3
LINVS Banned Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: SoCal Posts: 149	The No Date appeals to "purists" and collectors. On the used market, NDs eventually catch up with Dates as time goes by. Rolex has to charge more since its a more complicated movement.

20 May 2018, 05:24 AM	#18
Bfd70 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 893	Once you’re spending that much $ for a watch it would be silly to let the price difference keep you from getting exactly what you want. I suspect the $ is a non factor.

20 May 2018, 05:33 AM	#21
jb335 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: The States Watch: Cosmograph Daytona Posts: 7,464	When looking at an $8,000+ watch, I don’t think anyone is choosing the ND to save $500. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

20 May 2018, 05:54 AM	#23
siempreko "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Maryland, USA Watch: Sometimes Posts: 1,197	What if the ND cost $1,000 more than the sub date... would it become even more popular? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

20 May 2018, 06:40 AM	#24
Rolexavidfan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Har Location: Tukwila, WA Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,571	I would go for the No Date, but I’ll get the Hulk to add some variety. __________________ Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Go for the timepiece you love. You will save more. ...

20 May 2018, 07:17 AM	#25
rebel_1 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 2,132	To me they are completely different. Personally, I would take a ND over a date. __________________ Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017

20 May 2018, 07:24 AM	#26
thesharkfactor "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scotland Watch: GMT Posts: 3,643	I would get the one I wanted regardless of price difference. Funny though, when i bought my first back in 2004, I couldn't get a new 16610 at an AD anywhere so I bought a 14060M instead.

20 May 2018, 07:37 AM	#27
JR16 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 6,253	I’ve never heard of someone getting a sub over a sub date because they wanted to save money. I don’t think the sub is a “popular” watch compared w the sub date ... the latter appears to the masses and WIS whereas it’s my impression is that the former appeals more to WIS. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

20 May 2018, 07:54 AM	#28
henry333 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Hendricks Location: USA Watch: 116600 Posts: 826	No cyclops... I'll save it for the sea d and get a date on the sub

20 May 2018, 08:19 AM	#29
askdanny "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: HND/SEA/CDG/AMS Watch: Clock on my A330 Posts: 779	No-date for the 5-digit reference because it looks more clean and the watch looks more tooly, but date for the 6-digit reference because it sports a dressier looking design — with a supercase and a maxi dial, I feel the watch looks incomplete with the cyclops missing. __________________ Rolex stories you won't find anywhere else: https://coron.et

20 May 2018, 08:24 AM	#30
Pacha "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Pacha Location: ABQ Watch: 16660,16713,16570 Posts: 240	I like what Grady said. __________________ Would the child I once was, be proud of the man I’ve become?

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