Children having children!

[Ashley]

A thirteen year old boy and his fifteen year old girlfriend just delivered a little girl on Monday. This is absolutely ridiculous!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2233878.ece

It just leaves me speechless. I'm 19 and the thought of children terrifies me. These kids are just.. kids! It's unbelievable to think that ones that young are engaging in sexual intercourse. Ack! I could write a book on how mind-blowing I find this, but it's late and I work early, so I'll let you guys chip in

[Kokyuryoku]

I agree. Many of my nephews and nieces are popping out children like it's going out of fashion (they're in the teens too ! the youngest is on to his second and he's just turned 18!). I think if you need a license to drive, a license to own a firearm, hell you need a license for just about anything these days, you should also need one for having kids. Just a thought.

[Jimbits76]

Move along please...in the UK we don't talk about such things or read such trash...almost made me spill me cup of tea and choke on my scone!!!!!

J

[AJF]

Judging from the estate and community that they come from, I think it is regarded as failrly normal behaviour.

If you dig deep enough you would find that their mothers probably had them when they were still in
gymslips.

AJF.

[swatty]

Just the media making the news Ashley, dont worry

[ratae1950]

Originally Posted by AJF

Judging from the estate and community that they come from, I think it is regarded as failrly normal behaviour.

If you dig deep enough you would find that their mothers probably had them when they were still in
gymslips.

AJF.

Ally, I grew up on a pretty rough 'estate' in Leicester and recall these were not the values of the great majority of the people surviving there.
When considering this sad story we would do well to consider Ashley's source--The Sun. Anyone familiar with page 3 of this great newspaper would realize that they in fact use sex to increase sales. It's easier than serious journalism. This incessant portrayal of women as sex objects must have an impact, if only confusion, on young children.
I attach a link to the Page 3 'girls'. For those not familiar with the Sun it is an 'actual' daily newspaper.

http://www.page3.com/girls_home.shtml

Happy St. Valentines Day

[Mrdi]

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

Move along please...in the UK we don't talk about such things or read such trash...almost made me spill me cup of tea and choke on my scone!!!!!

J

Seems they are UK Kids.
Teach the little boy how to choke on his skone and maybe he won't repeat the mistake.
Not quite as bad as state supported Octuplets however.

[Jimbits76]

Originally Posted by Mrdi

Seems they are UK Kids.
Teach the little boy how to choke on his skone and maybe he won't repeat the mistake.
Not quite as bad as state supported Octuplets however.

That's a bit harsh.

Are you condoning state population control measures through a death sentance?

J

[AIKO]

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

That's a bit harsh.

Are you condoning state population control measures through a death sentance?

J

Maybe just a "term" for masturbation?

[buz-lh]

Rant deleted.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Ashley

A thirteen year old boy and his fifteen year old girlfriend just delivered a little girl on Monday. This is absolutely ridiculous!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2233878.ece

It just leaves me speechless. I'm 19 and the thought of children terrifies me. These kids are just.. kids! It's unbelievable to think that ones that young are engaging in sexual intercourse. Ack! I could write a book on how mind-blowing I find this, but it's late and I work early, so I'll let you guys chip in

Sheesh......that "father" looks like a little kid himself!!

[AJF]

According to one of the newspapers:-

'Last night it emerged that Alfie's older sister Jade, now 19, also had a baby at the age of 13'.

The granny on the mother's side will now be able to claim up to £30,000 per year on benefits, as the young girl/baby lives with her and granny and grandad are all living off benefits along with four other children, under the same roof.

- Child Benefit: Paid automatically for each child - £72.80 a week.
- Council Tax Benefit: Likely to cover the full bill - £30 a week.
- Child Tax Credit: Now the main payment to support children of out-of-work or low income mothers. --
- Possible payment for the five children - £221 a week.
- Income Support: If paid to Granny and Grandad as a live-in couple - £94.95 a week.
- Housing Benefit: Likely to cover the full rent of their council house, together with any service charges.

Total: £568.75 a week, or £29,575 a year.

Me thinks there is a patern developing here!!!

AJF.

[Denny M]

Originally Posted by AJF

According to one of the newspapers:-

'Last night it emerged that Alfie's older sister Jade, now 19, also had a baby at the age of 13'.

The granny on the mother's side will now be able to claim up to £30,000 per year on benefits, as the young girl/baby lives with her and granny and grandad are all living off benefits along with four other children, under the same roof.

- Child Benefit: Paid automatically for each child - £72.80 a week.
- Council Tax Benefit: Likely to cover the full bill - £30 a week.
- Child Tax Credit: Now the main payment to support children of out-of-work or low income mothers. --
- Possible payment for the five children - £221 a week.
- Income Support: If paid to Granny and Grandad as a live-in couple - £94.95 a week.
- Housing Benefit: Likely to cover the full rent of their council house, together with any service charges.

Total: £568.75 a week, or £29,575 a year.

Me thinks there is a patern developing here!!!

AJF.

From what you write, it appears that Australia and the UK have very similar "welfare" systems. I'm not against welfare systems per se, however i work in an area which is chronically welfare dependant and have seen the damage it can do. For example young girls get pregnant and have children by multiple fathers, in order to receive state benefits. A lot of the money they receive is misused on drugs/alcohol/self etc as evidenced by their dirty, hungry children, that i see everyday. Most of these mothers/fathers make no attempt to lift themselves out of welfare dependancy. Said children grow up in a screwed up non-family environment and this in turn affects their behaviour and educational attainment. The vicious cycle of welfare dependancy and poverty is therefore perpetuated.

I strongly believe that governments should implement a system were any money can only be spent buying food/clothing/medicines/other necessities from approved outlets. Otherwise funds are wasted. There should also be some accountability by the people receiving welfare benefits-many make no attempt to find work/or retrain. Young girls should also be discouraged from having children and instead be encouraged to educate themselves ie raise the age when welfare can be received.

In the end i doubt any government will have the guts to implement such changes....

[Jimbits76]

Originally Posted by AJF

According to one of the newspapers:-

'Last night it emerged that Alfie's older sister Jade, now 19, also had a baby at the age of 13'.

The granny on the mother's side will now be able to claim up to £30,000 per year on benefits, as the young girl/baby lives with her and granny and grandad are all living off benefits along with four other children, under the same roof.

- Child Benefit: Paid automatically for each child - £72.80 a week.
- Council Tax Benefit: Likely to cover the full bill - £30 a week.
- Child Tax Credit: Now the main payment to support children of out-of-work or low income mothers. --
- Possible payment for the five children - £221 a week.
- Income Support: If paid to Granny and Grandad as a live-in couple - £94.95 a week.
- Housing Benefit: Likely to cover the full rent of their council house, together with any service charges.

Total: £568.75 a week, or £29,575 a year.

Me thinks there is a patern developing here!!!

AJF.

That must have come from The Daily Mail....

Flipping work shy dole bludgers, what with them taking all my hard earned money as tax for their benefits and the evil blood sucking immigrant workers who want our jobs or else will end up knifing us in the streets or the dreaded former ethnic minorities who will now blow us all up because our skin is white and our god has blue eyes, I think it's time I moved on and emigrated...or perhaps not.

Tabloid hyperbole....they have papers to sell remember!!!!!!

J

PS Diana was murdered!!!!!!!!!!

[AJF]

Flipping work shy dole bludgers, what with them taking all my hard earned money as tax for their benefits and the evil blood sucking immigrant workers who want our jobs or else will end up knifing us in the streets or the dreaded former ethnic minorities who will now blow us all up because our skin is white and our god has blue eyes, I think it's time I moved on and emigrated...or perhaps not.

Tabloid hyperbole....they have papers to sell remember!!!!!!

J

I know! This is what I have been telling the Residents Association at the Wentworth Estate for sometime, But will they listern Jim...will they listern!

AJF :

[buz-lh]

Thanks for the link Peter. That's a newpaper? I would subscribe.

[ratae1950]

Originally Posted by buz-lh

Thanks for the link Peter. That's a newpaper? I would subscribe.

You will notice Buz I mentioned the negative impact on young people........... I took a peek and had the warm fuzzy feeling noted in another thread.
Try to control yourself.

[generic0]

Working in the L&D ward or Pediatrics dept. of a major county hospital in the US will show just how often kids have kids. I've seen several 13 year olds and one 12 year old deliver their firstborn...and one 21 year old deliver her 5th!

[Ashley]

Originally Posted by generic0

Working in the L&D ward or Pediatrics dept. of a major county hospital in the US will show just how often kids have kids. I've seen several 13 year olds and one 12 year old deliver their firstborn...and one 21 year old deliver her 5th!

That's really sad.

[AIKO]

This has been happening in every major US city and in rural areas for years. It is wrong and creates problems for the parents, the kids, society.....I don't know what the answer is.

[Ashley]

Originally Posted by AIKO

This has been happening in every major US city and in rural areas for years. It is wrong and creates problems for the parents, the kids, society.....I don't know what the answer is.

I think proper education would be part of a solution. Apparently the boy wasn't aware of what could happen after having unprotected sex. I think sex education needs to start earlier, and it needs to tell the truth to kids, not just "pro-abstinence."

[Carolina]

Originally Posted by generic0

Working in the L&D ward or Pediatrics dept. of a major county hospital in the US will show just how often kids have kids. I've seen several 13 year olds and one 12 year old deliver their firstborn...and one 21 year old deliver her 5th!

Wow. Just... wow.

[Jimbits76]

Some people living on estates have it rough. I'm sure in areas of high poverty throughout the world there are the same kinds of crimes committed and the same social issues. For people who try to get on and work hard, I have real sympathy for, some people are honestly victims of circumstance. Others cannot or will not break from their cycle because things have been made too easy for them. That is an issue for the Govt to sort out because I don't have the answers!

What the tabloid scumbags such as the good old "Current Bun" forget to say is that whilst they are whipping up a media frenzy about benefits scroungers and unjust payments, they are actually paying these people a minimum of £50k for the rights to the scoop.

Smoke and Mirrors.

[jdc]

For all the right and wrongs it happened, it was not planned, people make mistakes. They could have had an abortion. The new born is the one that matters in all of this.

[Jimbits76]

Originally Posted by jdc

For all the right and wrongs it happened, it was not planned, people make mistakes. They could have had an abortion. The new born is the one that matters in all of this.

[Carolina]

Originally Posted by jdc

For all the right and wrongs it happened, it was not planned, people make mistakes. They could have had an abortion. The new born is the one that matters in all of this.

Thanks for seeing the positive in all of this, Martin.

[ronin7]

nothing surprises me anymore.there seems to be an underclass that revels in this type of deplorable life style.the young lad claims that he is going to try to be a good father.bloody hell iam nearly 41 with 3 kids and iam struggling.

[buz-lh]

Originally Posted by jdc

For all the right and wrongs it happened, it was not planned, people make mistakes. They could have had an abortion. The new born is the one that matters in all of this.

I can't argue with this but the sad part of this story is there is a newborn. Too easy, too much fun and really no consequences when you think about it. I'm doing all I can to not go off on this thread. I will say that this is indicative of many problems we face in society today and unfortunately Jim, the government is the worst enabler.

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by buz-lh

I can't argue with this but the sad part of this story is there is a newborn. Too easy, too much fun and really no consequences when you think about it. I'm doing all I can to not go off on this thread. I will say that this is indicative of many problems we face in society today and unfortunately Jim, the government is the worst enabler.

I worked for four years in the welfare system and sadly, the majority of the cases that I worked with were of this nature, and it often becomes a cycle. I had one kid who was born under those circumstances, who ended up being prostituted for hits of heroin at the age of 13 and had her first kid a year and a half later. The father was another kid I'd previously worked with - he came from an inbred family, and for what it's worth at least he broke his family's pattern. I'm not the sort to stay bitter about things, but every time I think of it, my blood still boils - if I hadn't left the job, I'd have become an alcoholic ages ago.

And the welfare rort is a seriously bad joke - I saw one man have 27 kids with four women, and he was living like a king while the kids didn't see a red cent. The 28th kid (who was in my care) didn't produce any money for him, and that's only because the kid was a result of this guy raping his daughter. This guy was an expert at exploiting all of the loopholes in the system, but the system certainly enabled him to do so.

Mind you, that's only the tip of the iceberg - everybody involved needs to be made accountable for everything they do. Shortly before I resigned, the welfare organisation's CEO turned up at a staff meeting and proudly announced the implementation of a $950,000 statewide intranet system. I asked him what it was for, and he said that the managers needed to keep track of their budgets. I replied, "You do realise that you could print out the budgets on glossy paper and courier them to each and every manager every morning, and it would still cost you less? In the meantime, is this the reason why I have to fight tooth and nail for every dollar I can get for my kids' activities?". He was left speechless, and at that point I started seriously thinking about leaving the job. For the government, the families and the agencies, I saw a godstopping degree of stupidity being exercised and as much as I loved the job, I knew I had to leave before it ate me up.

[redshirt1957]

Interesting discussion.

When I was a child I was told. "Right is right and wrong is wrong".

When I was a young man I was told. "We are right and the bad guys are wrong...Duty is Honour".

When I was trying to get ahead in life I was told. "The MAN is bad and is keeping us all down".

When I became successful I was told. "Your kind are the problem and time to give and fix the ills that you have caused".

Now that I am old and looking at the downside of the slope of life; guess what? "Right is right and wrong is wrong".