Current state of Rolex. Glass half empty? No. Glass half full!

[2th_doc]

I see so many threads on here about members being frustrated not being able to get a Daytona or a GMT (glass half empty). Well this thread is a little different. And I know there may be some forum members that may not like my approach. I get it and I understand. So 2 months ago I called my hometown AD where I have a very limited purchase history (under 10k). I gave them my word that if they could get me a GMT that I would buy the 37mm Everrose yachtmaster at the same time. My wife wanted out of her old Datejust. And the 37mm would match my 40mm that I currently own. So it took 2months. But it worked. And yes I plan to sell the GMT and sell her old Datejust to cushion the true out of pocket cost on the 37mm Yachtmaster. So this thread is different because its not often we see a thread on here that shows a member taking advantage of the current state of Rolex (glass half full). And the AmEx points that I accumulated on this purchase was awesome too!






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[1665fan]

And that’s a bundle....

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

And that’s a bundle....

yep

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

And that’s a bundle....

What a perfectly time statement lol. Well done.


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[Alan111]

Originally Posted by 2th_doc

I see so many threads on here about members being frustrated not being able to get a Daytona or a GMT (glass half empty). Well this thread is a little different. And I know there may be some forum members that may not like my approach. I get it and I understand. So 2 months ago I called my hometown AD where I have a very limited purchase history (under 10k). I gave them my word that if they could get me a GMT that I would buy the 37mm Everrose yachtmaster at the same time. My wife wanted out of her old Datejust. And the 37mm would match my 40mm that I currently own. So it took 2months. But it worked. And yes I plan to sell the GMT and sell her old Datejust to cushion the true out of pocket cost on the 37mm Yachtmaster. So this thread is different because its not often we see a thread on here that shows a member taking advantage of the current state of Rolex (glass half full). And the AmEx points that I accumulated on this purchase was awesome too!



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So you bought the GMT (a very desirable watch that many wish they can buy at MSRP) simply to defray the cost of the 37mm RG Yacht-master? I'm confused.... If yes, your just making the Rolex problem worse.

[2th_doc]

Originally Posted by Alan111

So you bought the GMT (a very desirable watch that many wish they can buy at MSRP) simply to defray the cost of the 37mm RG Yacht-master? I'm confused....

Why are you confused? Its pretty simple math. I didn’t make the game. Im just playing it.


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[Alan111]

Originally Posted by 2th_doc

Why are you confused? Its pretty simple math. I didn’t make the game. Im just playing it.


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Oh, I'm no longer confused. With that said, thanks for contributing to the Rolex shortage of SS models for those who save up an entire life time to try and purchase one at MSRP from an AD.

[erne75]

Originally Posted by Alan111

Oh, I'm no longer confused. With that said, thanks for contributing to the Rolex shortage of SS models for those who save up an entire life time to try and purchase one at MSRP from an AD.

[ChipotleBanana]

Originally Posted by Alan111

So you bought the GMT (a very desirable watch that many wish they can buy at MSRP) simply to defray the cost of the 37mm RG Yacht-master? I'm confused.... If yes, your just making the Rolex problem worse.

^^^^^^

[MTBer]

Originally Posted by Alan111

So you bought the GMT (a very desirable watch that many wish they can buy at MSRP) simply to defray the cost of the 37mm RG Yacht-master? I'm confused.... If yes, your just making the Rolex problem worse.

I agree that it makes the "Rolex problem worse", but he's just playing the hand Rolex is dealing. If Rolex wanted to sell a sports watch to every person willing and able to afford the MSRP, then there would be no secondary markup possible. But accessibility is the enemy of Veblen consumerism, so restricting supply is Rolex's safety measure towards value retention.

Sure, it's frustrating for everyone who just wants to buy the watch for $10k, but expecting someone to benevolently pass on the opportunity to capitalize is arguably hypocritical- if everyone here made helping out others their first priority, then nobody would have the extra money for this hobby.

[schoolboy]

Originally Posted by MTBer

Sure, it's frustrating for everyone who just wants to buy the watch for $10k, but expecting someone to benevolently pass on the opportunity to capitalize is arguably hypocritical- if everyone here made helping out others their first priority, then nobody would have the extra money for this hobby.

I agree. But oh man, you brought out the big guns after the dash haha

I respect you for speaking the truth though.

[Ferdelious]

If you don't plan on going back to the AD in the future seems like a good move.

[Al1969]

I think he’s gonna list it for MSRP.

[ZOOK]

Originally Posted by Al1969

I think he’s gonna list it for MSRP.

I think the OP is too cheap for that. He's using the old 'read-between-the-lines-send-me-PM' sales technique.

[Al1969]

Originally Posted by ZOOK

I think the OP is too cheap for that. He's using the old 'read-between-the-lines-send-me-PM' sales technique.

[2th_doc]

Originally Posted by ZOOK

I think the OP is too cheap for that. He's using the old 'read-between-the-lines-send-me-PM' sales technique.

No PM’s necessary. The watch was sold before I got it. And they also agreed to buy the old Datejust. Sold to a grey dealer for the quick flip.


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[Importer_Exporter]

Originally Posted by 2th_doc

No PM’s necessary. The watch was sold before I got it. And they also agreed to buy the old Datejust. Sold to a grey dealer for the quick flip.


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Do you mind PMing me what the offer for the GMT was? I was offered $15k and change for my Pepsi by a gray. I’m keeping mine as it was a wedding gift, but it was fun to see.

I’d honestly consider the same to get myself to a DD.

[ALF61]

Originally Posted by Importer_Exporter

Do you mind PMing me what the offer for the GMT was? I was offered $15k and change for my Pepsi by a gray. I’m keeping mine as it was a wedding gift, but it was fun to see.

I’d honestly consider the same to get myself to a DD.

You should be able to get 16.5K for a Pepsi if it has all the stickers on. That is from a gray. He will sell it in 19.5K

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by ZOOK

I think the OP is too cheap for that. He's using the old 'read-between-the-lines-send-me-PM' sales technique.

I dont want to seem synical but that never ever happens I'm sure.

[coaxial]

All power to you for buying the watches; Im sure your wife will be pleased with the upgrade.

[johnjm]

Nothing wrong with the pseudo trade. If you prefer the YM over the BLNR then sure, personally Im not a fan of the PM YM.

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[2001jesper]

Well, you can't really blame OP for making that decision and everyone is happy in that equation. The AD sells a high profit watch, whereas OP gets to recoup part of the cost via the GMT. Thats how the game is played these days.

I am not a fan, but I respect it.

[Randomgary]

Whilst I accept this happens and it doesn't really bother me, I cant help but feel this is a trolling type post. First world problems and all but this just seems crass

[2th_doc]

Originally Posted by Randomgary

Whilst I accept this happens and it doesn't really bother me, I cant help but feel this is a trolling type post. First world problems and all but this just seems crass

Wasn’t meant as a troll post. Its no different than a post from a member sharing his experience on an AD visit. No different than a “is it safe to wear.......” thread. And in my intro to this thread I even acknowledged the fact that I realized that I knew some members here would not like it. Yes I’m sure it rubbed some people the wrong way. But on the flip side someone may read this and say you know what. Im gonna try that. And for that person then this was an informative thread. I have learned so many things throughout the years on TRF. And appreciate so many people here. And if anyone here is familiar with me responding to threads or starting threads here and there never have I been cyber bully. I have always treated everyone here with nothing but respect. And will continue to do so. So you guys can say its not classy on my part. Fine. All I did was use the system to my advantage so that I did not spend unnecessary money. And also racked up a lot of AmEx points doing so. We are talking about a $22,000 watch. That after the sell of the Datejust and the GMT I paid $9000 for out of pocket. I call that winning. I don’t work for Rolex. I don’t make the rules. Why get mad at me for using the system to my advantage and playing it instead of the other way around?


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[jrs146]

Originally Posted by 2th_doc

Wasn’t meant as a troll post. Its no different than a post from a member sharing his experience on an AD visit. No different than a “is it safe to wear.......” thread. And in my intro to this thread I even acknowledged the fact that I realized that I knew some members here would not like it. Yes I’m sure it rubbed some people the wrong way. But on the flip side someone may read this and say you know what. Im gonna try that. And for that person then this was an informative thread. I have learned so many things throughout the years on TRF. And appreciate so many people here. And if anyone here is familiar with me responding to threads or starting threads here and there never have I been cyber bully. I have always treated everyone here with nothing but respect. And will continue to do so. So you guys can say its not classy on my part. Fine. All I did was use the system to my advantage so that I did not spend unnecessary money. And also racked up a lot of AmEx points doing so. We are talking about a $22,000 watch. That after the sell of the Datejust and the GMT I paid $9000 for out of pocket. I call that winning. I don’t work for Rolex. I don’t make the rules. Why get mad at me for using the system to my advantage and playing it instead of the other way around?


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You’re right. You don’t make the rules. No need to get mad at you for playing the game. As they say, don’t hate the player, hate the game.

I do have one question...

Did you tell your AD up front that you planned on flipping the GMT immediately?

If so and they didn’t care, more power to you.

If you didn’t then I start to lose respect as I can not buy into lying and pretending to be someone you are not.

I’d rather pay full price and not lie to my AD than save a few grand by misleading them into selling me a watch I don’t actually want.

That being said I’m curious to know what conversations transpired.

[2th_doc]

Originally Posted by jrs146

You’re right. You don’t make the rules. No need to get mad at you for playing the game. As they say, don’t hate the player, hate the game.

I do have one question...

Did you tell your AD up front that you planned on flipping the GMT immediately?

If so and they didn’t care, more power to you.

If you didn’t then I start to lose respect as I can not buy into lying and pretending to be someone you are not.

I’d rather pay full price and not lie to my AD than save a few grand by misleading them into selling me a watch I don’t actually want.

That being said I’m curious to know what conversations transpired.

Well. I originally got on the Daytona list with them when it was first announced. I got the run around like most people. I got on multiple lists of all ADs I had relationships with. And I went through the emotional roller coaster of being fed BS after BS. It took me 1.5yrs but I got the white dial daytona. Not from this AD but a different one. And in all honesty this AD I got the GMT from......when I called and gave him my proposition the response was “you’re a smart man. I think the higher ups will go for this because it helps our books.” No I did not tell them. Why would I? We are talking about an AD that had no interest in getting me a GMT or Daytona if it was not with a bundle like this. Or if I wasnt spending thousands on thousands on jewelry. And in all honesty I dont think they care. One of those “see no evil hear no evil” kind of things. So I have been on the other end of the game waiting for my Daytona. There was even a point where I just stopped going on TRF because I was pissed I couldn’t get my Daytona. I was over watches. And there was a time whenever I was in a new place I used to love to go into AD’s. No more. It’s like whats the point? There is going to be nothing in there. Bottom line this AD was happy to sell me this bundle blindfolded in my opinion. My take on the comment of “you’re a smart man......” was basically them saying you understand how the game is played now and we will work with you.


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[FATO]

Originally Posted by 2th_doc

Well. I originally got on the Daytona list with them when it was first announced. I got the run around like most people. I got on multiple lists of all ADs I had relationships with. And I went through the emotional roller coaster of being fed BS after BS. It took me 1.5yrs but I got the white dial daytona. Not from this AD but a different one. And in all honesty this AD I got the GMT from......when I called and gave him my proposition the response was “you’re a smart man. I think the higher ups will go for this because it helps our books.” No I did not tell them. Why would I? We are talking about an AD that had no interest in getting me a GMT or Daytona if it was not with a bundle like this. Or if I wasnt spending thousands on thousands on jewelry. And in all honesty I dont think they care. One of those “see no evil hear no evil” kind of things. So I have been on the other end of the game waiting for my Daytona. There was even a point where I just stopped going on TRF because I was pissed I couldn’t get my Daytona. I was over watches. And there was a time whenever I was in a new place I used to love to go into AD’s. No more. It’s like whats the point? There is going to be nothing in there. Bottom line this AD was happy to sell me this bundle blindfolded in my opinion. My take on the comment of “you’re a smart man......” was basically them saying you understand how the game is played now and we will work with you.



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I like to learn how you got AD to sell you a Daytona.

[schoolboy]

Originally Posted by 2th_doc

Well. I originally got on the Daytona list with them when it was first announced. I got the run around like most people. I got on multiple lists of all ADs I had relationships with. And I went through the emotional roller coaster of being fed BS after BS. It took me 1.5yrs but I got the white dial daytona. Not from this AD but a different one. And in all honesty this AD I got the GMT from......when I called and gave him my proposition the response was “you’re a smart man. I think the higher ups will go for this because it helps our books.” No I did not tell them. Why would I? We are talking about an AD that had no interest in getting me a GMT or Daytona if it was not with a bundle like this. Or if I wasnt spending thousands on thousands on jewelry. And in all honesty I dont think they care. One of those “see no evil hear no evil” kind of things. So I have been on the other end of the game waiting for my Daytona. There was even a point where I just stopped going on TRF because I was pissed I couldn’t get my Daytona. I was over watches. And there was a time whenever I was in a new place I used to love to go into AD’s. No more. It’s like whats the point? There is going to be nothing in there. Bottom line this AD was happy to sell me this bundle blindfolded in my opinion. My take on the comment of “you’re a smart man......” was basically them saying you understand how the game is played now and we will work with you.


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The way I see it OP, you did it to help yourself out.

The AD agreed to help himself/herself out.

Just facts.

[interestedwatcher]

Originally Posted by jrs146

You’re right. You don’t make the rules. No need to get mad at you for playing the game. As they say, don’t hate the player, hate the game.

I do have one question...

Did you tell your AD up front that you planned on flipping the GMT immediately?

If so and they didn’t care, more power to you.

If you didn’t then I start to lose respect as I can not buy into lying and pretending to be someone you are not.

I’d rather pay full price and not lie to my AD than save a few grand by misleading them into selling me a watch I don’t actually want.

That being said I’m curious to know what conversations transpired.

I don't like what the OP did, but I also don't think he owes anything to the AD... The AD literally takes money from you and makes thousands of dollars, they aren't your friend.

[68deluxe]

Originally Posted by jrs146

You’re right. You don’t make the rules. No need to get mad at you for playing the game. As they say, don’t hate the player, hate the game.

I do have one question...

Did you tell your AD up front that you planned on flipping the GMT immediately?

If so and they didn’t care, more power to you.

If you didn’t then I start to lose respect as I can not buy into lying and pretending to be someone you are not.

I’d rather pay full price and not lie to my AD than save a few grand by misleading them into selling me a watch I don’t actually want.

That being said I’m curious to know what conversations transpired.

I passed on a Hulk last year because I do not like the new supermaxi-cases. If my dealer thought I was into flipping he would not keep me in mind for my grail watch.