Rolex and saftey concerns

[uddind]

There's been couple of youtube videos (bark&jack, and some Paul guy) on wearing your watches around major cities around the world.

My point is that I and most logical peeople insure my watches to their replacement value. Even my 2.5k bell and Ross is on my home insurance for theft and accidental cover worldwide etc.

I live in London and majority of the places are alright to walk around. I'm not afraid to wear my gmt Ln with a t shirt on around London as I know I'm covered whatever happens. Insurance will pay me the replacement grey market price I insured it on so if anything happens I'll get the money to buy it at grey prices anyways.

I know you have to be Street wise but this Paul geezer if you watched the video seems to be over dramatic about saftey concerns in London.

I'm not buying a rolex just to sit in a safe, or be too scared due to saftey concerns. If I had safety concerns in the place I live in I would not have bought the gmt.

Does anyone share the same views as me?

[bp1000]

Someone else got stabbed in the leg just yesterday in south west London for his watch. It’s not just a case of having appropriate insurance.

It’s not really over exaggerated. Chances are very slim but vs every other city in the uk we have targeted criminals here who know watches and target people wearing them.

I personally do not wear anything that special if I’m walking a lot. In and out and taxi to places, no problem!

Ps Paul Thorpe is a top guy. Not just some Paul guy. His videos are stellar. Thoroughly decent guy.

[JonaG]

Insurance won’t exactly cover the trauma of getting your teeth knocked out potentially etc.

As we often say here, be aware of your surroundings.

I really like Paul Thorpe’s videos, He’s taking discussions on watches in a slightly different direction which I appreciate.

[Oxfordian]

So, is the rule now that you buy two watches, a Rolex to put in the safe and only take out when you are going to wear it in the house, and a cheap beater to wear out and about? Bonkers.

Lets put this into context, there are millions of people living, working and visiting London on any given day, there are many, many, many people walking around wearing Rolex watches and other major brands some far more valuable than a Rolex. There are people (Londoners and visitors) carrying camera / lens combinations worth more than any SS Rolex, there are people wearing jewellery costing more than a Rolex. Crime in London is there, it happens, you may be an unfortunate victim but you would be extremely unlucky.

I worked in London for over 30 years, I didn't have any issues at all, I was out and about in London at all times of day and night and visited some of the more dubious areas of the capital without a problem.

My advice for safety in London is simple, be sensible about were you go, keep to areas where there are plenty of people, lots of tourists or businesses, avoid being alone at night away from the main areas of shops, attractions, bars and restaurants, avoid the backstreets or housing estates if you are not familiar with them.

Londoners are fantastic people, London is a fantastic city, it is a safe city, go and enjoy your time visiting and wear your best watch if you want to.

[joli160]

Your perception of London clearly differs from his.

Must be nice to be able to close your eyes for the harsh reality.
Being in denial will not solve any problem.

I don't think London which I only know from being a tourist is more dangerous than any other major EU city but how I wish our streets were a lot safer.

[bp1000]

Originally Posted by Oxfordian

So, is the rule now that you buy two watches, a Rolex to put in the safe and only take out when you are going to wear it in the house, and a cheap beater to wear out and about? Bonkers.

Lets put this into context, there are millions of people living, working and visiting London on any given day, there are many, many, many people walking around wearing Rolex watches and other major brands some far more valuable than a Rolex. There are people (Londoners and visitors) carrying camera / lens combinations worth more than any SS Rolex, there are people wearing jewellery costing more than a Rolex. Crime in London is there, it happens, you may be an unfortunate victim but you would be extremely unlucky.

I worked in London for over 30 years, I didn't have any issues at all, I was out and about in London at all times of day and night and visited some of the more dubious areas of the capital without a problem.

My advice for safety in London is simple, be sensible about were you go, keep to areas where there are plenty of people, lots of tourists or businesses, avoid being alone at night away from the main areas of shops, attractions, bars and restaurants, avoid the backstreets or housing estates if you are not familiar with them.

Londoners are fantastic people, London is a fantastic city, it is a safe city, go and enjoy your time visiting and wear your best watch if you want to.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Ped22]

It can happen to anyone anywhere but I personally had a bad experience in London recently.

I was out for a few drinks with a few friends in London whilst wearing my Hulk and my friend was wearing his two tone Daytona. Cut a long story short, we split up for a few minutes on a busy main road with bars and clubs and the next thing I knew was my friend coming back to me saying that a few guys took his watch at knife point... luckily he had insured his watch so he got it replaced pretty quickly but once it happens to you it does make you think twice about wearing your nice watch when you’re out and about.

Having said that, I’m sure on that stretch of road there would have been others wearing expensive watches that didn’t have the same experience so it’s partly luck.

My advice is insure it, enjoy it, be aware but don’t worry!


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[Kliminator]

Originally Posted by Ped22

It can happen to anyone anywhere but I personally had a bad experience in London recently.

I was out for a few drinks with a few friends in London whilst wearing my Hulk and my friend was wearing his two tone Daytona. Cut a long story short, we split up for a few minutes on a busy main road with bars and clubs and the next thing I knew was my friend coming back to me saying that a few guys took his watch at knife point... luckily he had insured his watch so he got it replaced pretty quickly but once it happens to you it does make you think twice about wearing your nice watch when you’re out and about.

Having said that, I’m sure on that stretch of road there would have been others wearing expensive watches that didn’t have the same experience so it’s partly luck.

My advice is insure it, enjoy it, be aware but don’t worry!


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Crazy - glad your friend wasn't hurt. You said the watch was replaced quickly so am curious if the insurance company was able to source another for him that quickly? Was it a ceramic daytona?

[Ped22]

Originally Posted by Kliminator

Crazy - glad your friend wasn't hurt. You said the watch was replaced quickly so am curious if the insurance company was able to source another for him that quickly? Was it a ceramic daytona?

Yup that’s the most important. Watches are just material things and can be replaced!

No insurance company paid out the value and I was able to get one for my friend through my AD. That being said, it was two tone Daytona so it was easier to source than a Ceramic SS Daytona.




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[Devildog]

Statistically, the chances of it happening to you are extremely slim.

However the consequences, if it happens to you, could be significant.

Planes don't crash very often, but when they do, people usually die. Does that put you off flying?

[In-Cog-Neeto]

Simple fact today is, criminals, both opportunistic and professional, are hyper aware of watches due to the Instagram generation dicking about posting every damn thing under the sun online. They know the value of these items and for some young thug with no hopes or dreams it’s pretty easy for him to Rob you at knife point - let’s face it, the police will never find him and if they did likelihood is they ain’t gonna do jack about it, and even if the mugger got 1 yr shoved up his ass, he doesn’t care. Remember, he has no discernible furniture to worry about so that couple grand he can make fencing your precious timepiece is worth the risk (what risk?!)

[ninjin]

This topic comes up so many times....

Wearing a Rolex in London (or any other place in the World) requires sensibilty in our modern times.

In London, there is a 'chance' you will get cleanly mugged for it or at worse, you will encounter a life changing experience during the stuggle.

Having an insurance policy in place to cover the value is all and well, but nothing will compensate for mental and physical damage.

Until you experience first hand, I guess ignorance is bliss.

My brother had his taken at knife point, luckily no physical harm other than a few scratches from them rushing to get the watch of his wrist.

I myself, even prior to that, have been very cautious in my wearing my premium watches in and around london.

Bottom line, different people have different views on this subject but for me, modesty always is worth more than a Rolex on my wrist.

[uddind]

Insurance won't take the physical harm or mental harm away. Depends on the situation, if at knife point I'd give the watch away without thinking twice as I know I'm covered.

If there were no insurance I would not have bought the rolex in the first place as its too expensive to lose.

[brandrea]

I guess I’ve just been lucky in my travels but I don’t worry about getting robbed.

I’m guessing for most of us, there are places much closer to our own back yard that would qualify as “unsafe”.

I guess I figure that if I’m taking my most precious belongings ... that being wife and children, then I’d better be going somewhere I feel safe enough to wear my watch.

[locutus49]

I watched Paul's video and it put me off visited London. in NYC, I walk all over without the slightest fear. But London seems to be different.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by locutus49

I watched Paul's video and it put me off visited London. in NYC, I walk all over without the slightest fear. But London seems to be different.

I am the opposite, I would not walk around NYC, far too dangerous. My son works in Jersey city, I worry about him every day. Statistically, he is far safer in London. (Where he worked for years without incident). I am the same as you though, I walk around London with no fear.

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[The Libertine]

Originally Posted by locutus49

I watched Paul's video and it put me off visited London. in NYC, I walk all over without the slightest fear. But London seems to be different.

I spent seven years of my childhood living in London. Returned to visit four times since (as an adult), and at no time did I walk around in fear. In fact, I would feel safer walking around in London than certain cities in the US.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by The Libertine

I spent seven years of my childhood living in London. Returned to visit four times since (as an adult), and at no time did I walk around in fear. In fact, I would feel safer walking around in London than certain cities in the US.

i concur. I just moved back from London, and no comparison. Im sure petty theft (non violent) is more common there because its such a pedestrian city but the violence isn't like here.

You are not getting pickpocketed in Houston, you are getting violently assaulted if someone wants your watch

Im insured so its not the pickpocketing im worried about, its the possible death and injury to me

I do think people need to be clear on what they are worried about as its two different things. I just saw a video recently in a residential neighborhood here of someone violently getting robbed of a leaf blower while the guy was doing the lawn, in broad daylight. caught on the ring doorbell camera

[superdog]

When I was a kid, I broke my leg while mountain biking. It was a bad break. I will have a steel rod in my leg for the rest of my life.

During my 10 day hospital stay, my doctor told my mother (who was frantic with panic, worry and all sorts of other adjectives) that he operated the previous week on a person with the same break, from walking down stairs.

My point is that you can worry all you want. Natalie Holloway lost her life in the safest of all places.

I have all sorts of worry in my life. My personal safety is not one of them. I drove through Newark, NJ last night carefree with my windows open while I was enjoying the night.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by superdog

When I was a kid, I broke my leg while mountain biking. It was a bad break. I will have a steel rod in my leg for the rest of my life.

During my 10 day hospital stay, my doctor told my mother (who was frantic with panic, worry and all sorts of other adjectives) that he operated the previous week on a person with the same break, from walking down stairs.

My point is that you can worry all you want. Natalie Holloway lost her life in the safest of all places.

I have all sorts of worry in my life. My personal safety is not one of them. I drove through Newark, NJ last night carefree with my windows open while I was enjoying the night.

That is a very fair point, I agree, I must admit that I am sick of all these "is it safe" threads.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by uddind

Does anyone share the same views as me?

No

[Headshrinker]

I was attacked, getting out of an elevator with my 10 year old daughter with me while leaving her eye doctor. I was punched in the face by one attacker, while the other one waited in the hallway. While both men got, by far, the worst of the fight, I still have nightmares about the terror in my daughter’s eyes. Insurance has nothing to do with it. I am more careful, but realize this was an anomaly that does not define the rest of my life.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Headshrinker

I was attacked, getting out of an elevator with my 10 year old daughter with me while leaving her eye doctor. I was punched in the face by one attacker, while the other one waited in the hallway. While both men got, by far, the worst of the fight, I still have nightmares about the terror in my daughter’s eyes. Insurance has nothing to do with it. I am more careful, but realize this was an anomaly that does not define the rest of my life.

I agree with you completely.

In a perfect, neat little world, sure. But not in the real world.

I personally insure only my two gold Rolex watches and some of my wives jewelry (I am more worried about her losing than anything nefarious).

If someone wants my watch it is not as if they are going to ask nicely. If I have a choice, yeah, I would hand it over. But that typically does not happen.

Glad you got the better of those two bastards. I can only imagine they thought you would roll over because you were with your baby girl. I wish I could have seen them licking their wounds after you took care of business.

[GoingPlaces]

Statistically the odds are pretty low in any city. However we live in times where I would venture to say that Rolex robberies are higher than ever. London would make me nervous. The popularity of the brand and the escalated values have made it a target of many criminals. People are more aware of this, hence the "is it safe threads."

[Star Ferry]

The endless hand-wringing over safety is no fun at all. anyone who's afraid to wear a rolex in central london is 1) soft as a pillow, and/or 2) has delusional beliefs about the importance and visibility of themselves and their watch

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

The endless hand-wringing over safety is no fun at all. anyone who's afraid to wear a rolex in central london is 1) soft as a pillow, and/or 2) has delusional beliefs about the importance and visibility of themselves and their watch

And 3) is likely better off without the watch.

[Zakalwe]

People’s attitudes to risk differ. So what one reasonable person considers safe might be considered by another reasonable person to be unsafe. That’s fair enough.

One of the issues I have with this topic though is the logical inconsistency people display. 700 odd people die every year falling down the stairs in the U.K. alone yet most people don’t live in a bungalow whilst refusing to enter a multi-story building unless it has an elevator. More than a thousand die every year in car accidents yet not a single car driver gives the possibility of being mangled horribly in two tonnes of twisted metal a second thought.

I suspect part of the reason is the emotive way things like watch muggings are reported. They’re also disproportionately reported in terms of the comparison with other types of crime against the person, though I can’t prove that supposition.

My view is if you’re worried about wearing your watch out and about in a familiar environment then you ought to fear leaving the house full stop. Unless your house has more than one level, in which case you should also fear staying indoors.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

People’s attitudes to risk differ. So what one reasonable person considers safe might be considered by another reasonable person to be unsafe. That’s fair enough.

One of the issues I have with this topic though is the logical inconsistency people display. 700 odd people die every year falling down the stairs in the U.K. alone yet most people don’t live in a bungalow whilst refusing to enter a multi-story building unless it has an elevator. More than a thousand die every year in car accidents yet not a single car driver gives the possibility of being mangled horribly in two tonnes of twisted metal a second thought.

I suspect part of the reason is the emotive way things like watch muggings are reported. They’re also disproportionately reported in terms of the comparison with other types of crime against the person, though I can’t prove that supposition.

My view is if you’re worried about wearing your watch out and about in a familiar environment then you ought to fear leaving the house full stop. Unless your house has more than one level, in which case you should also fear staying indoors.

one of my favorite all time posts. thank you sir for the laugh, and for the logic.

[Zakalwe]

Originally Posted by superdog

one of my favorite all time posts. thank you sir for the laugh, and for the logic.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by superdog

one of my favorite all time posts. thank you sir for the laugh, and for the logic.

It may be funny to you.........

I have stairs.