Underrated Two tone Daytona or Sky-Dweller?

[JasonBetts]

Alright I've had most, if not all my favorite sports Rolex collection.

I'm now buying for a 'possible' future investments in these 2 probably most underrated (undervalued) sports rolexes:

- Daytona 116523 two tone black dial 2007;

- Sky-Dweller 326933 two tone white dial 2017;

Both are LNIB and complete sets. prices are the same at around usd 14K.

Now as mentioned, these are not my favorite rolexes (sorry for Sky-D and Daytona fans) but where I'm come from, if I keep my cash, in 5 years time, I'd probably lose 40-50% of my money's value. So I'm converting my cash into some tangible 'liquid assets', Rolex watch.

Now I need help from all of you to take out your crystal ball and help me see the future which one will probably bring me more financial gains in let's say 3-5 years time and why do you think that way?

Again some of you may say buy the one you like most and enjoy wearing it. I may not have to like it nor enjoy it but I purely considering to get one for possible opportunistic purposes and to keep my money's value intact at least.

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[Frank McKay]

Guys like you have really tarnished
this forum.

[AJMarcus]

I think you’re on the wrong forum

[Mystro]

Don’t do it. Rolex watches are not a investment. It’s a luxury purchase. Most of us buy watches to wear and to make a horological connection to. A good reason to buy a Rolex would be because you think it’s beautiful and fits your lifestyle.

[aasubo]

Since when is there a TT ceramic Daytona, so somebody has already changed the bezel,of that thing and to be frank, it doesn’t look good. I understand now, why Rolex didn’t release that version.

However, I am also quite turned off by your question for investment purposes into Rolex watches. If you want to save your money from being worth less, go purchase stocks or diamonds or gold or whatever that delivers a RoI, but don’t buy watches. There are enthusiasts that want those watches to wear and are not able to procure them.

Just my 2 cents.

Torsten

[JasonBetts]

Originally Posted by aasubo

Since when is there a TT ceramic Daytona, so somebody has already changed the bezel,of that thing and to be frank, it doesn’t look good. I understand now, why Rolex didn’t release that version.

However, I am also quite turned off by your question for investment purposes into Rolex watches. If you want to save your money from being worth less, go purchase stocks or diamonds or gold or whatever that delivers a RoI, but don’t buy watches. There are enthusiasts that want those watches to wear and are not able to procure them.

Just my 2 cents.

Torsten

Yes the bezel has been changed to AM ceramic bezel but the original gold is still available.


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[HogwldFLTR]

I'd just buy what you love and not worry about which is the best investment potential!!!!

[jimcameron]

Buy as many "investment" watches as you possibly can afford. You deserve it.

[timepieceluvr]

Call Vanguard


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[JasonBetts]

I know that some of you can be turned off with my questions but please don't misunderstood my questions.

As mentioned, I love my rolexes and in fact I've owned 6 ie 16750 matt dial, 16570 polar, 116713, 116600, 126600 among others that I love and cherish.

I'm a business man (and I assume lots of you here in the forum are too) and i need to diversify my funds. I'm in the stock market already and as you all know, 2018/2019 are not very friendly to investors on the bull side. I lost like 30-40% of my fund there.

On the other hand, I've been watching my rolexes value grew especially in the past 3-4 years and I think it will continue to grow.

Now the reason I started this thread is to buy 'under-valued' rolexes that may have a stable increase in value in the future and I'm asking your opinions as I'm torn between those watches.

I hope I don't offend anyone here as I'm a rolex lover too and try to get the best value rolex at the moment with a potential 'future' legendary seed


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[Beantown sports]

Originally Posted by JasonBetts

I know that some of you can be turned off with my questions but please don't misunderstood my questions.

As mentioned, I love my rolexes and in fact I've owned 6 ie 16750 matt dial, 16570 polar, 116713, 116600, 126600 among others that I love and cherish.

I'm a business man (and I assume lots of you here in the forum are too) and i need to diversify my funds. I'm in the stock market already and as you all know, 2018/2019 are not very friendly to investors on the bull side. I lost like 30-40% of my fund there.

On the other hand, I've been watching my rolexes value grew especially in the past 3-4 years and I think it will continue to grow.

Now the reason I started this thread is to buy 'under-valued' rolexes that may have a stable increase in value in the future and I'm asking your opinions as I'm torn between those watches.

I hope I don't offend anyone here as I'm a rolex lover too and try to get the best value rolex at the moment with a potential 'future' legendary seed


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I am sorry but which stock market have you been investing in to lose 30-40%? This year has been INCREDIBLY friendly to investors..this has to be a troll.

[Setarip]

Originally Posted by JasonBetts

I know that some of you can be turned off with my questions but please don't misunderstood my questions.

As mentioned, I love my rolexes and in fact I've owned 6 ie 16750 matt dial, 16570 polar, 116713, 116600, 126600 among others that I love and cherish.

I'm a business man (and I assume lots of you here in the forum are too) and i need to diversify my funds. I'm in the stock market already and as you all know, 2018/2019 are not very friendly to investors on the bull side. I lost like 30-40% of my fund there.

On the other hand, I've been watching my rolexes value grew especially in the past 3-4 years and I think it will continue to grow.

Now the reason I started this thread is to buy 'under-valued' rolexes that may have a stable increase in value in the future and I'm asking your opinions as I'm torn between those watches.

I hope I don't offend anyone here as I'm a rolex lover too and try to get the best value rolex at the moment with a potential 'future' legendary seed


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I know it appears to be an odd question for this forum...but before flaming this guy, look at his location. He’s in Indonesia. I don’t know the fluctuation of currency there, but I think he’s asking a legit asset preservation question to avoid devaluation of his currency base.

[JasonBetts]

Originally Posted by Setarip

I know it appears to be an odd question for this forum...but before flaming this guy, look at his location. He’s in Indonesia. I don’t know the fluctuation of currency there, but I think he’s asking a legit asset preservation question to avoid devaluation of his currency base.

Thanks for your understanding Setarip. It is exactly what I'm trying to do. I tried investing here and there but probably at a bad timing. I tried to hold multiple currencies but in this uncertain world we're living in, even holding USD doesn't guarantee your money's worth, not to mention holding Indonesian rupiah.

I remembered in 1998, our currencies lost almost 80% of the value in matter of weeks.

Then I started buying and collecting Rolexes and glad to learn that the value is in fact very stable (some references even doubled / tripled) in value and most importantly, my rolexes give me this joy to wind, to clean and to rotate on the wrist everyday


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[huncho]

Originally Posted by JasonBetts

Thanks for your understanding Setarip. It is exactly what I'm trying to do. I tried investing here and there but probably at a bad timing. I tried to hold multiple currencies but in this uncertain world we're living in, even holding USD doesn't guarantee your money's worth, not to mention holding Indonesian rupiah.

I remembered in 1998, our currencies lost almost 80% of the value in matter of weeks.

Then I started buying and collecting Rolexes and glad to learn that the value is in fact very stable (some references even doubled / tripled) in value and most importantly, my rolexes give me this joy to wind, to clean and to rotate on the wrist everyday


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its understandable where you're coming from. you get to buy something that you enjoy every day while it also being kind of a cash park. as mentioned above though now is probably the worst time to buy so i would probably wait it out a bit unless you actually want to grab something you really like

[JasonBetts]

Originally Posted by huncho

its understandable where you're coming from. you get to buy something that you enjoy every day while it also being kind of a cash park. as mentioned above though now is probably the worst time to buy so i would probably wait it out a bit unless you actually want to grab something you really like

Good point Huncho. I've personally never liked Daytona although I have to admit it's a beautiful watch and well-proportioned. However being no date is probably a big turn off for me, at least for now.

On the other hand, the sky dweller is in a lot of way Rolex's first and probably the most complicated to date, but the bezel is kinda 'killed' the sports status.

Maybe I should pass on these two and wait for something that I really liked. Have been thinking about parking my money in gold, silver and platinum but these 2 months their prices have soared like crazy too.

Maybe I should just wait for the red 1680. Hopefully i could find one available locally




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[impinth06]

Originally Posted by JasonBetts

I know that some of you can be turned off with my questions but please don't misunderstood my questions.

As mentioned, I love my rolexes and in fact I've owned 6 ie 16750 matt dial, 16570 polar, 116713, 116600, 126600 among others that I love and cherish.

I'm a business man (and I assume lots of you here in the forum are too) and i need to diversify my funds. I'm in the stock market already and as you all know, 2018/2019 are not very friendly to investors on the bull side. I lost like 30-40% of my fund there.

On the other hand, I've been watching my rolexes value grew especially in the past 3-4 years and I think it will continue to grow.

Now the reason I started this thread is to buy 'under-valued' rolexes that may have a stable increase in value in the future and I'm asking your opinions as I'm torn between those watches.

I hope I don't offend anyone here as I'm a rolex lover too and try to get the best value rolex at the moment with a potential 'future' legendary seed


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OP should be buying short position against his own ”30 - 40%” loss position.

[razmspiele]

Buy gold.

[JasonBetts]

Originally Posted by razmspiele

Buy gold.

They're not fun


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[bathducks123]

Originally Posted by razmspiele

Buy gold.

Seconded. More of a stable investment and you could wear it daily as well.

The whole rolex as an investment thing was due to luck!

Ppl that bought it before all this shortage was lucky and its not looking so good for ppl that starting to came in this Rolex scene.

Before this shortage most of Rolex sport models were abundant with AD giving out as much as 15% discounts on MRSP. It was the cold selling models that have a waiting list (like real waiting due to shipment waiting because the AD dint stock it).

As many have said, it is better to buy what u like to wear and enjoy it!

If the value goes up, cheers! If not, u still have an enjoyable collection, and the value RETENTION or Rolex sport models is still the best.. the worst case scenario would be losing 5-10% of what u paid for. I see it as a win-win

[JasonBetts]

Originally Posted by bathducks123

If the value goes up, cheers! If not, u still have an enjoyable collection, and the value RETENTION or Rolex sport models is still the best.. the worst case scenario would be losing 5-10% of what u paid for. I see it as a win-win

This is exactly why I was looking for daytona & sky D two tone which are still priced under their SS siblings.



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[peterpl]

Investment? LOL

Your on the wrong forum

[GoingPlaces]

Go away.

[Mad Hatter]

Originally Posted by GoingPlaces

Go away.

+1

[Mystro]

I will chime in one last time only because I owned many TT over the long haul. In the TT world right now, the CHNR is on fire and probably the most desirable TT. It is a powerful watch and holds a few firsts in the history of Rolex.
It has allured even the most diehard SS lover over to the Everose gold side. Rose gold is red hot on watches right now over yellow gold but fashion is cyclical so buy what you like and looks good with your skin tone.
The next and probably the longest is the Bluesy. It has staying power and is always a good choice. These are solid TT choices ONLY of you love them and will wear them. TT is never going to be as popular as SS or PM. It just won’t and I have been in this game for 30 years now owning TT along the way. I personally love their look but I tend to not like mainstream models. Buy at msrp and you most likely will get your money back in 10 years is all you can ever expect with a Rolex watch. They are not a investment and even calling a Rolex a “investment” is a four letter word in the watch enthusiast world. This forum has grown sour with any talk of Rolex investment talk. I just wanted to cap this thread off with where the forums head is at with this topic.

[JasonBetts]

Originally Posted by Mystro

I will chime in one last time only because I owned many TT over the long haul. In the TT world right now, the CHNR is on fire and probably the most desirable TT. It is a powerful watch and holds a few firsts in the history of Rolex.
It has allured even the most diehard SS lover over to the Everose gold side. Rose gold is red hot on watches right now over yellow gold but fashion is cyclical so buy what you like and looks good with your skin tone.
The next and probably the longest is the Bluesy. It has staying power and is always a good choice. These are solid TT choices ONLY of you love them and will wear them. TT is never going to be as popular as SS or PM. It just won’t and I have been in this game for 30 years now owning TT along the way. I personally love their look but I tend to not like mainstream models. Buy at msrp and you most likely will get your money back in 10 years is all you can ever expect with a Rolex watch. They are not a investment and even calling a Rolex a “investment” is a four letter word in the watch enthusiast world. This forum has grown sour with any talk of Rolex investment talk. I just wanted to cap this thread off with where the forums head is at with this topic.

Thanks for your response Mystro. In fact the only reason I'm considering the two watches above because I just bought a GMT master TT 116713 at a very good price compare to 116710LN which is going hot now.

From economical perspective, some pre-loved TT rolexes are a no brainer best buy especially you'd pay at least 20-30% premium when new vs the SS and probably can get them at the same price if not cheaper when buying used.

I first thought that TT Rolexes are a big no no but after I got it and wore it for about a month I'm falling in love with the TT, more so than most of my SS Rolex.

Guess what, out of a month, my TT gets at least 3 days wrist time.

I understand i may sound like a flipper but I genuinely not. I'm just a guy who'd like to buy an undervalued Rolex to enjoy and add to my collections.


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[fwhawk]

So many on this forum are quick to say watches are not investments, but SS Rolex (particularly Daytonas) have performed very well as investments
in recent years. So I don't think criticizing the OP is fair. Having said that, no one can really answer the OP's question with any degree of certainty. I would lean toward Daytona because...well... It's a Daytona.

[JasonBetts]

Originally Posted by fwhawk

So many on this forum are quick to say watches are not investments, but SS Rolex (particularly Daytonas) have performed very well as investments
in recent years. So I don't think criticizing the OP is fair. Having said that, no one can really answer the OP's question with any degree of certainty. I would lean toward Daytona because...well... It's a Daytona.

Many thanks for your positive response fwhawk. I burnt my hands investing my hard-earned money to the stock market, diamonds and even properties in the past 3 years. Good thing I set aside some to buy some Rolexes that I really liked, especially vintage.

I guess Vanguard would even wonder how to make a 200% value in just over 2 years as demonstrated by my purchase of 16750 GMT master matte dial.

Like it or not, Rolex is the safest (and most enjoyable) inflation-proof savings we can have.


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[sambb]

To retain your money's value, invest in a worldwide portfolio of indexed mutual funds, rather than rolexes - which could break or be stolen etc. I understand you dont want to hold cash. ROlex may not be the safest answer for you.

[tie219]

Originally Posted by sambb

To retain your money's value, invest in a worldwide portfolio of indexed mutual funds, rather than rolexes - which could break or be stolen etc. I understand you dont want to hold cash. ROlex may not be the safest answer for you.

That makes too much sense.

I'd put it all in TT Ladies Datejusts

[JasonBetts]

Originally Posted by tie219

That makes too much sense.



I'd put it all in TT Ladies Datejusts

Hahaha yeah they're ridiculously undervalued but unfortunately the wife likes diamond and that holy 'H' bags better than rolexes


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