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Bisquitlips · 31 March 2009, 01:26 PM

I was just wondering how many of the major watch makers such as Omega, Panerai, Breitling, and so forth use an ETA or modified ETA movement in their watches.

I know that Panerai has begun to make an in house movement, but the prices on these appear to be very expensive in comparison to Rolex movements which are now all in house.

Also, what watch companies use strictly in house movements?

GinGinD · 31 March 2009, 01:34 PM

Here's some in house: Rolex, Parmigiani Fleurier, Roger Dubuis, Zenith, Debethune, Philippe Dufour, Seagull, Seiko, Favre Leuba, Patek, among others.

Jeannie

Omega_Precision · 31 March 2009, 01:40 PM

There seems to be quite a few companies that use ETA movements.

I also read an article that says the Swatch Group was monopolizing the market with their base movements, by sourcing it to independent watchmakers. There are only a couple of companies that are sourcing their movements.

In actuality, the Swatch Group wanted to seize the sourcing of their movements to better the industry. I guess Mr. Hayek wanted the watch industry to be more innovative and create their own movements. Also, the Swatch Group is the driving force behind this year's campaign of "Fake watches are for fake people." A collaboration amongst swiss watchmakers to prevent counterfeiting of their brand. Swatch is worried that sourcing these movements can fall in the hands of counterfeiters. Hence, why we see swiss "grade A" Rolex counterfeits with ETA movements.

I believe it this stoppage forced Panerai to produce their own movements now.

This is a quick find of the source but not the actual article I read:

http://www.fibre2fashion.com/news/Ne...?News_id=11548

2Redbulls · 31 March 2009, 02:39 PM

I know that IWC and Ulysse Nardin use ETA movements.

Mosco · 1 April 2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Redbulls

I know that IWC and Ulysse Nardin use ETA movements.

SOME IWC's, only the lower end ones, same with Ulysse Nardin. All of their higher-grade watches are in house - IWC's Perpetuals, Repeaters - actually all but the Ingenieur are in-house. Nardin - Freaks, Repeaters, and most other higher end models use in-house unique movements. Not fair to say ALL Iwc's and UN's have ETAs.

boa2 · 1 April 2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mosco

SOME IWC's, only the lower end ones, same with Ulysse Nardin. All of their higher-grade watches are in house - IWC's Perpetuals, Repeaters - actually all but the Ingenieur are in-house. Nardin - Freaks, Repeaters, and most other higher end models use in-house unique movements. Not fair to say ALL Iwc's and UN's have ETAs.

The 3227-01 IWC Ingenieur is an in-house movement. The Chrono is a modified 7750.

Double-check, but I don't believe all Patek movements are entirely in-house.

Girard-Perregaux movements are all made in house, as are--I believe--Jean Richard, which is owned by the same parent company.

Panerai has a mix of movements. A handful of models use in-house movements, the 302 has a Minerva movement, the 203 has Angelus, the 190 used a JLC movement, and many models use a modified ETA. Several of this year's new releases in the $7-8K range will have in-house movements.

Mosco · 1 April 2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by boa2

The 3227-01 IWC Ingenieur is an in-house movement. The Chrono is a modified 7750.

Double-check, but I don't believe all Patek movements are entirely in-house.

Girard-Perregaux movements are all made in house, as are--I believe--Jean Richard, which is owned by the same parent company.

Panerai has a mix of movements. A handful of models use in-house movements, the 302 has a Minerva movement, the 203 has Angelus, the 190 used a JLC movement, and many models use a modified ETA. Several of this year's new releases in the $7-8K range will have in-house movements.

Thanks for the info - you're a wealth of knowledge!

Bisquitlips · 1 April 2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Redbulls

I know that IWC and Ulysse Nardin use ETA movements.

Wow!!! This amazes me!! I would think that these two companies only utilize in house movements! So very expensive on some of their timepieces!

Sheesh!!!

K-R · 31 March 2009, 03:07 PM

Tag Heuer also use ETA movement.

Flaxmoore · 31 March 2009, 03:13 PM

Invicta as well, in their premium line. The others are a Miyota 21-jewel and a Citizen quartz.

chicken · 31 March 2009, 06:54 PM

Eterna!

ETA was originally the movement arm of Eterna and is only one of the reasons I wear mine with pride.

padi56 · 31 March 2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bisquitlips

I was just wondering how many of the major watch makers such as Omega, Panerai, Breitling, and so forth use an ETA or modified ETA movement in their watches.

I know that Panerai has begun to make an in house movement, but the prices on these appear to be very expensive in comparison to Rolex movements which are now all in house.

Also, what watch companies use strictly in house movements?

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=8656

Bisquitlips · 1 April 2009, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=8656

This is the answer I was looking for! Thank you!!!

mfer · 1 April 2009, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=8656

Thanks!

iwantagmt · 1 April 2009, 06:09 AM

The Patek chrono is on a Lemania base...which some argue reduces its philosophical purity.

topcat30093 · 1 April 2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantagmt

The Patek chrono is on a Lemania base...which some argue reduces its philosophical purity.

You are correct about the Lemania movement being fitted to some of their chronographs.
However Patek's new 5960P & R/G is fitted with their first all in house built movement.

Peter Marin-Speake uses a heavily modified eta movement.
But they too have just announced at Basel this year, their first in house movement.

iwantagmt · 1 April 2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by topcat30093

Peter Marin-Speake uses a heavily modified eta movement.
But they too have just announced at Basel this year, their first in house movement.

There is a nice slideshow of the assembly of the new SM movement on their site.

The wide use of ETA movements illustrates their versatility. Also interesting is the wide practice of outsourcing movement production, even prior to the quartz era.

Sorry i should have combined the 2 posts...

iwantagmt · 1 April 2009, 02:03 PM

The linked post has a couple things that are not correct...perhaps they have changed since it was posted.

Blancpain and Breguet are listed as being completely designed and manufactured in house....but much of the lower lines of both use F. Piguet movements.

Also regarding fashion brands, Bvlgari does some in-house work now.

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31 March 2009, 01:34 PM	#2
GinGinD Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Jeannie Location: North Carolina Posts: 533	Here's some in house: Rolex, Parmigiani Fleurier, Roger Dubuis, Zenith, Debethune, Philippe Dufour, Seagull, Seiko, Favre Leuba, Patek, among others. Jeannie

31 March 2009, 01:40 PM	#3
Omega_Precision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Henry Location: CA, US Watch: ing basketball Posts: 2,977	There seems to be quite a few companies that use ETA movements. I also read an article that says the Swatch Group was monopolizing the market with their base movements, by sourcing it to independent watchmakers. There are only a couple of companies that are sourcing their movements. In actuality, the Swatch Group wanted to seize the sourcing of their movements to better the industry. I guess Mr. Hayek wanted the watch industry to be more innovative and create their own movements. Also, the Swatch Group is the driving force behind this year's campaign of "Fake watches are for fake people." A collaboration amongst swiss watchmakers to prevent counterfeiting of their brand. Swatch is worried that sourcing these movements can fall in the hands of counterfeiters. Hence, why we see swiss "grade A" Rolex counterfeits with ETA movements. I believe it this stoppage forced Panerai to produce their own movements now. This is a quick find of the source but not the actual article I read: http://www.fibre2fashion.com/news/Ne...?News_id=11548

31 March 2009, 02:39 PM	#4
2Redbulls "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Tom Location: Morgan Hill, CA Watch: I give up.. Posts: 719	I know that IWC and Ulysse Nardin use ETA movements.

31 March 2009, 03:07 PM	#9
K-R Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Indonesia Posts: 204	Tag Heuer also use ETA movement.

31 March 2009, 03:13 PM	#10
Flaxmoore Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Casey Location: Toledo, Ohio Watch: Alpha Milsub Posts: 704	Invicta as well, in their premium line. The others are a Miyota 21-jewel and a Citizen quartz.

31 March 2009, 06:54 PM	#11
chicken "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London + New York Watch: Eterna KonTiki Posts: 43	Eterna! ETA was originally the movement arm of Eterna and is only one of the reasons I wear mine with pride.

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iwantagmt "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Brandon Location: Indy: GO COLTS!!! Watch: Omega Seamaster PO Posts: 337	The Patek chrono is on a Lemania base...which some argue reduces its philosophical purity.

1 April 2009, 02:03 PM	#18
iwantagmt "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Brandon Location: Indy: GO COLTS!!! Watch: Omega Seamaster PO Posts: 337	The linked post has a couple things that are not correct...perhaps they have changed since it was posted. Blancpain and Breguet are listed as being completely designed and manufactured in house....but much of the lower lines of both use F. Piguet movements. Also regarding fashion brands, Bvlgari does some in-house work now.

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