Why are all the watch sites pushing F.P Journe?

[yonexsp]

It seems to be F.P Journe everything these days. Article after article, especially by The Watchbox.

Part of a concerted effort to push the brand in these difficult times?

[037]

Sure seems that way. The FPJ CB, for example, nearly doubled in price in short time and TWB appears to be right there to ride (or influence) the wave.

I've also seen the CS silver dial recently sell for $19k on one site now listed on TWB at $29k. I've since been curious if it's the same watch.

Regardless of who or what is behind it, the end result is another great brand ruined by hype with many enthusiasts quickly being priced out of the market.

[Blansky]

Maybe it's to help small business and the less fortunate in these troubling times.

I was thinking of selling my house and buying one to help out.

[sgwatchguy]

Hype machine overlords choosing what they can hype to madness


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[Fat_ninja]

Cause a certain retailer cornered the market...
rumors was that they wanted to buy a position in the Journe...

Unfortunately.... corona virus came along.

[enjoythemusic]

Or perhaps FPJ is a truly excellent class-leading brand that makes exquisite timepieces, plus FPJ offers excellent customer service too. FPJ, imho, makes far better timepieces than many other leading brands. Perhaps TRF should add an FPJ board here, as they do other lesser-quality and lower customer service brands that take six months simply to do a very basic service one of their timepieces.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by yonexsp

It seems to be F.P Journe everything these days. Article after article, especially by The Watchbox.

Part of a concerted effort to push the brand in these difficult times?

Because Watchbox is owned by Govberg and they are an FPJ authorized dealer.

Originally Posted by Blansky

Maybe it's to help small business and the less fortunate in these troubling times.

I was thinking of selling my house and buying one to help out.

I’m with you on that.

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Or perhaps FPJ is a truly excellent class-leading brand that makes exquisite timepieces, plus FPJ offers excellent customer service too. FPJ, imho, makes far better timepieces than many other leading brands. Perhaps TRF should add an FPJ board here, as they do other lesser-quality brands.

Exactly. From what I can tell FPJ takes it to an entirely new level even beyond Patek and ALS. For me I’m not that crazy about their dial designs but I’m just one opinion and I would have to sell half my collection just to buy one piece so that’s not going to happen.

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Exactly. From what I can tell FPJ takes it to an entirely new level even beyond Patek and ALS. For me I’m not that crazy about their dial designs but I’m just one opinion and I would have to sell half my collection just to buy one piece so that’s not going to happen.

I think FPJ has a rather singular position in that FP is still alive and very much steering the fortunes of the brand. As a result of this, the brand consists of the vision of one person and is hard to really classify in terms of watchmaking. What he thinks is important (innovative chronometry) they do very well, what he feels is just a chore (proper finishing) not so much.

At the core, all of the traditional big houses of high watchmaking essentially celebrate the „art de faire“ by finding more or less original ways to build watches that comply with the standards of flawless workmanship and finishing to the highest extent possible. And while that’s great to maintain the art and craft, the products are undeniably repetitive and do not translate into the pursuit of a particular engineering objective. In the end, it’s always the same calendars/chronographs/tourbillons/chiming watches/worldtimers, or any combination thereof. Other than the Zeitwerk, this approach has yielded very little true innovation, but as a customer, you know you’re buying the time of a person polishing angles with a handheld touret or, in the best cases, a bois de gentiane somewhere in the vicinity of the Lac de Joux or south of Dresden. In other words, you buy a piece of a century old labour of love that‘s somehow unbelievably valuable, wonderful and deserving of being maintained, despite it’s ultimate pointlessness.

FPJ on the other hand is entirely different in that respect. Rather than celebrating the steady hand of the person applying a flawless finish (which I would argue is acceptable but not FPJ‘s core strength), the brand is about realizing the more or less genius ideas of one of the very few truly great watchmakers of our time. Yes, not everything is perfect, like the inherently flawed concept of the centigraphe or the debatable merits of the resonance, but unlike the others, FPJ pursued clear objectives, tried to advance what we understand a watch‘s abilities to be and actually executed his concepts, whether or not in a quality that may rival the very best.

In the meantime, Patek made „inspired“ (using this very ironically here) things like a watch with handwriting on the dial, a nice but not world changing pusher system for dual time watches with awkward holes in the dial and a pilot’s watch with an alarm that might as well be a JLC, if not for the consistently outstanding quality of their execution. Lange made countless variations of the one good idea they had with the Zeitwerk, on an equally impressive level of quality and Vacheron did nothing original at all (with the possible exception of its last GPHG watch), but did that amazingly well.

On this basis, I would call the comparison apples to oranges and suggest that we just respect FPJ for who he is, without indulging in the pump and dump hype some outlets may or may not be fuelling, and without attempting to position his product among those of a range of other brands that are built according to an entirely different rulebook.

[MrBlahBlah]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

I think FPJ has a rather singular position in that FP is still alive and very much steering the fortunes of the brand. As a result of this, the brand consists of the vision of one person and is hard to really classify in terms of watchmaking. What he thinks is important (innovative chronometry) they do very well, what he feels is just a chore (proper finishing) not so much.

At the core, all of the traditional big houses of high watchmaking essentially celebrate the „art de faire“ by finding more or less original ways to build watches that comply with the standards of flawless workmanship and finishing to the highest extent possible. And while that’s great to maintain the art and craft, the products are undeniably repetitive and do not translate into the pursuit of a particular engineering objective. In the end, it’s always the same calendars/chronographs/tourbillons/chiming watches/worldtimers, or any combination thereof. Other than the Zeitwerk, this approach has yielded very little true innovation, but as a customer, you know you’re buying the time of a person polishing angles with a handheld touret or, in the best cases, a bois de gentiane somewhere in the vicinity of the Lac de Joux or south of Dresden. In other words, you buy a piece of a century old labour of love that‘s somehow unbelievably valuable, wonderful and deserving of being maintained, despite it’s ultimate pointlessness.

FPJ on the other hand is entirely different in that respect. Rather than celebrating the steady hand of the person applying a flawless finish (which I would argue is acceptable but not FPJ‘s core strength), the brand is about realizing the more or less genius ideas of one of the very few truly great watchmakers of our time. Yes, not everything is perfect, like the inherently flawed concept of the centigraphe or the debatable merits of the resonance, but unlike the others, FPJ pursued clear objectives, tried to advance what we understand a watch‘s abilities to be and actually executed his concepts, whether or not in a quality that may rival the very best.

In the meantime, Patek made „inspired“ (using this very ironically here) things like a watch with handwriting on the dial, a nice but not world changing pusher system for dual time watches with awkward holes in the dial and a pilot’s watch with an alarm that might as well be a JLC, if not for the consistently outstanding quality of their execution. Lange made countless variations of the one good idea they had with the Zeitwerk, on an equally impressive level of quality and Vacheron did nothing original at all (with the possible exception of its last GPHG watch), but did that amazingly well.

On this basis, I would call the comparison apples to oranges and suggest that we just respect FPJ for who he is, without indulging in the pump and dump hype some outlets may or may not be fuelling, and without attempting to position his product among those of a range of other brands that are built according to an entirely different rulebook.

Wow, well said!

[Swaye]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

I think FPJ has a rather singular position in that FP is still alive and very much steering the fortunes of the brand. As a result of this, the brand consists of the vision of one person and is hard to really classify in terms of watchmaking. What he thinks is important (innovative chronometry) they do very well, what he feels is just a chore (proper finishing) not so much.

At the core, all of the traditional big houses of high watchmaking essentially celebrate the „art de faire“ by finding more or less original ways to build watches that comply with the standards of flawless workmanship and finishing to the highest extent possible. And while that’s great to maintain the art and craft, the products are undeniably repetitive and do not translate into the pursuit of a particular engineering objective. In the end, it’s always the same calendars/chronographs/tourbillons/chiming watches/worldtimers, or any combination thereof. Other than the Zeitwerk, this approach has yielded very little true innovation, but as a customer, you know you’re buying the time of a person polishing angles with a handheld touret or, in the best cases, a bois de gentiane somewhere in the vicinity of the Lac de Joux or south of Dresden. In other words, you buy a piece of a century old labour of love that‘s somehow unbelievably valuable, wonderful and deserving of being maintained, despite it’s ultimate pointlessness.

FPJ on the other hand is entirely different in that respect. Rather than celebrating the steady hand of the person applying a flawless finish (which I would argue is acceptable but not FPJ‘s core strength), the brand is about realizing the more or less genius ideas of one of the very few truly great watchmakers of our time. Yes, not everything is perfect, like the inherently flawed concept of the centigraphe or the debatable merits of the resonance, but unlike the others, FPJ pursued clear objectives, tried to advance what we understand a watch‘s abilities to be and actually executed his concepts, whether or not in a quality that may rival the very best.

In the meantime, Patek made „inspired“ (using this very ironically here) things like a watch with handwriting on the dial, a nice but not world changing pusher system for dual time watches with awkward holes in the dial and a pilot’s watch with an alarm that might as well be a JLC, if not for the consistently outstanding quality of their execution. Lange made countless variations of the one good idea they had with the Zeitwerk, on an equally impressive level of quality and Vacheron did nothing original at all (with the possible exception of its last GPHG watch), but did that amazingly well.

On this basis, I would call the comparison apples to oranges and suggest that we just respect FPJ for who he is, without indulging in the pump and dump hype some outlets may or may not be fuelling, and without attempting to position his product among those of a range of other brands that are built according to an entirely different rulebook.

This is a great post. I say this as an unabashed, but eyes wide open, FPJ fan.

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

In the meantime, Patek made „inspired“ (using this very ironically here) things like a watch with handwriting on the dial, a nice but not world changing pusher system for dual time watches with awkward holes in the dial and a pilot’s watch with an alarm that might as well be a JLC, if not for the consistently outstanding quality of their execution. Lange made countless variations of the one good idea they had with the Zeitwerk, on an equally impressive level of quality and Vacheron did nothing original at all (with the possible exception of its last GPHG watch), but did that amazingly well.

It seems that you missed that Patek released a few years ago a watch called "Grandmaster Chime" with an absolutely new complication that you probably would like to discover by yourself. Another hint: the same house release another absolutely new complication with regards to the world time technology.
Vacheron, in addition a "possible exception" you mentioned, have released the most complication watch ever made a couple of years ago if I'm not mistaken.
Lange, oh well, the Triple Split...

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by fmc000

It seems that you missed that Patek released a few years ago a watch called "Grandmaster Chime" with an absolutely new complication that you probably would like to discover by yourself. Another hint: the same house release another absolutely new complication with regards to the world time technology.
Vacheron, in addition a "possible exception" you mentioned, have released the most complication watch ever made a couple of years ago if I'm not mistaken.
Lange, oh well, the Triple Split...

My friend, I own a Lange and a Vacheron. You might not quite correctly have read out of my post which side of the form vs function preference I fall onto. But to follow your train of thought, do you really think the supercomplications you reference are the expression of an innovative vision that that would define the entire respective brand. The only instance where I would see that being mildly true is the triple split, but in terms of being repetitive, that one literally repeats a function we have known for decades three times. Yes, getting it to do that is super impressive, but it’s in essence just incrementally perfecting an existing ancillary feature into its most coherent expression, rather than truly pushing the core of the timing instrument itself to make it more accurate.

[Pongster]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

I think FPJ has a rather singular position in that FP is still alive and very much steering the fortunes of the brand. As a result of this, the brand consists of the vision of one person and is hard to really classify in terms of watchmaking. What he thinks is important (innovative chronometry) they do very well, what he feels is just a chore (proper finishing) not so much.

At the core, all of the traditional big houses of high watchmaking essentially celebrate the „art de faire“ by finding more or less original ways to build watches that comply with the standards of flawless workmanship and finishing to the highest extent possible. And while that’s great to maintain the art and craft, the products are undeniably repetitive and do not translate into the pursuit of a particular engineering objective. In the end, it’s always the same calendars/chronographs/tourbillons/chiming watches/worldtimers, or any combination thereof. Other than the Zeitwerk, this approach has yielded very little true innovation, but as a customer, you know you’re buying the time of a person polishing angles with a handheld touret or, in the best cases, a bois de gentiane somewhere in the vicinity of the Lac de Joux or south of Dresden. In other words, you buy a piece of a century old labour of love that‘s somehow unbelievably valuable, wonderful and deserving of being maintained, despite it’s ultimate pointlessness.

FPJ on the other hand is entirely different in that respect. Rather than celebrating the steady hand of the person applying a flawless finish (which I would argue is acceptable but not FPJ‘s core strength), the brand is about realizing the more or less genius ideas of one of the very few truly great watchmakers of our time. Yes, not everything is perfect, like the inherently flawed concept of the centigraphe or the debatable merits of the resonance, but unlike the others, FPJ pursued clear objectives, tried to advance what we understand a watch‘s abilities to be and actually executed his concepts, whether or not in a quality that may rival the very best.

In the meantime, Patek made „inspired“ (using this very ironically here) things like a watch with handwriting on the dial, a nice but not world changing pusher system for dual time watches with awkward holes in the dial and a pilot’s watch with an alarm that might as well be a JLC, if not for the consistently outstanding quality of their execution. Lange made countless variations of the one good idea they had with the Zeitwerk, on an equally impressive level of quality and Vacheron did nothing original at all (with the possible exception of its last GPHG watch), but did that amazingly well.

On this basis, I would call the comparison apples to oranges and suggest that we just respect FPJ for who he is, without indulging in the pump and dump hype some outlets may or may not be fuelling, and without attempting to position his product among those of a range of other brands that are built according to an entirely different rulebook.

Nice post.

For my own edification, what is wrong with the centrigraphe? Thats the second FPJ am targetting.

[Swaye]

Originally Posted by Pongster

Nice post.

For my own edification, what is wrong with the centrigraphe? Thats the second FPJ am targetting.

From my experience there is nothing wrong with them. Mine works flawlessly.

Perhaps he meant the idea to make a 1/100th chrono?

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

I think FPJ has a rather singular position in that FP is still alive and very much steering the fortunes of the brand. As a result of this, the brand consists of the vision of one person and is hard to really classify in terms of watchmaking. What he thinks is important (innovative chronometry) they do very well, what he feels is just a chore (proper finishing) not so much.

At the core, all of the traditional big houses of high watchmaking essentially celebrate the „art de faire“ by finding more or less original ways to build watches that comply with the standards of flawless workmanship and finishing to the highest extent possible. And while that’s great to maintain the art and craft, the products are undeniably repetitive and do not translate into the pursuit of a particular engineering objective. In the end, it’s always the same calendars/chronographs/tourbillons/chiming watches/worldtimers, or any combination thereof. Other than the Zeitwerk, this approach has yielded very little true innovation, but as a customer, you know you’re buying the time of a person polishing angles with a handheld touret or, in the best cases, a bois de gentiane somewhere in the vicinity of the Lac de Joux or south of Dresden. In other words, you buy a piece of a century old labour of love that‘s somehow unbelievably valuable, wonderful and deserving of being maintained, despite it’s ultimate pointlessness.

FPJ on the other hand is entirely different in that respect. Rather than celebrating the steady hand of the person applying a flawless finish (which I would argue is acceptable but not FPJ‘s core strength), the brand is about realizing the more or less genius ideas of one of the very few truly great watchmakers of our time. Yes, not everything is perfect, like the inherently flawed concept of the centigraphe or the debatable merits of the resonance, but unlike the others, FPJ pursued clear objectives, tried to advance what we understand a watch‘s abilities to be and actually executed his concepts, whether or not in a quality that may rival the very best.

In the meantime, Patek made „inspired“ (using this very ironically here) things like a watch with handwriting on the dial, a nice but not world changing pusher system for dual time watches with awkward holes in the dial and a pilot’s watch with an alarm that might as well be a JLC, if not for the consistently outstanding quality of their execution. Lange made countless variations of the one good idea they had with the Zeitwerk, on an equally impressive level of quality and Vacheron did nothing original at all (with the possible exception of its last GPHG watch), but did that amazingly well.

On this basis, I would call the comparison apples to oranges and suggest that we just respect FPJ for who he is, without indulging in the pump and dump hype some outlets may or may not be fuelling, and without attempting to position his product among those of a range of other brands that are built according to an entirely different rulebook.

I don’t think the traditional big houses are doing the highest finishing possible. Maybe the top end models but not most of the models, at least not compare to small indies.

[shafran]

because Danny Govberg and his associates loved Journe. They had taken positions in other brands that never panned out. Danny and George both wear Journe over other brands. I think its more of being in the right place at the right time. People want them and they were cheaper than comparable lange or patek, now they are not.

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by tom2517

I don’t think the traditional big houses are doing the highest finishing possible. Maybe the top end models but not most of the models, at least not compare to small indies.

You are certainly right on that account, they are certainly no Karis or Rexheps (though, for that matter, neither is FPJ, not by a long shot). But from what I‘ve seen especially at Lange and VC, the respect for the importance of traditional workmanship and finishing is a pretty high priority of the people who make these things. I would argue more than the function in certain instances. I don’t believe we’ll get into much of an argument on whether a tourbillon serves as a timing improvement or a display of how sharply you can finish the interior angles of its cage. And other than perhaps instances where improving the sound of a repeater is at stake, I‘d argue that’s the case for most of the traditional complications. Even on a chiming watch, you’ll hardly contest that the black polished hammers are much of the appeal.

[Jay (Eire)]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

I think FPJ has a rather singular position in that FP is still alive and very much steering the fortunes of the brand. As a result of this, the brand consists of the vision of one person and is hard to really classify in terms of watchmaking. What he thinks is important (innovative chronometry) they do very well, what he feels is just a chore (proper finishing) not so much.

At the core, all of the traditional big houses of high watchmaking essentially celebrate the „art de faire“ by finding more or less original ways to build watches that comply with the standards of flawless workmanship and finishing to the highest extent possible. And while that’s great to maintain the art and craft, the products are undeniably repetitive and do not translate into the pursuit of a particular engineering objective. In the end, it’s always the same calendars/chronographs/tourbillons/chiming watches/worldtimers, or any combination thereof. Other than the Zeitwerk, this approach has yielded very little true innovation, but as a customer, you know you’re buying the time of a person polishing angles with a handheld touret or, in the best cases, a bois de gentiane somewhere in the vicinity of the Lac de Joux or south of Dresden. In other words, you buy a piece of a century old labour of love that‘s somehow unbelievably valuable, wonderful and deserving of being maintained, despite it’s ultimate pointlessness.

FPJ on the other hand is entirely different in that respect. Rather than celebrating the steady hand of the person applying a flawless finish (which I would argue is acceptable but not FPJ‘s core strength), the brand is about realizing the more or less genius ideas of one of the very few truly great watchmakers of our time. Yes, not everything is perfect, like the inherently flawed concept of the centigraphe or the debatable merits of the resonance, but unlike the others, FPJ pursued clear objectives, tried to advance what we understand a watch‘s abilities to be and actually executed his concepts, whether or not in a quality that may rival the very best.

In the meantime, Patek made „inspired“ (using this very ironically here) things like a watch with handwriting on the dial, a nice but not world changing pusher system for dual time watches with awkward holes in the dial and a pilot’s watch with an alarm that might as well be a JLC, if not for the consistently outstanding quality of their execution. Lange made countless variations of the one good idea they had with the Zeitwerk, on an equally impressive level of quality and Vacheron did nothing original at all (with the possible exception of its last GPHG watch), but did that amazingly well.

On this basis, I would call the comparison apples to oranges and suggest that we just respect FPJ for who he is, without indulging in the pump and dump hype some outlets may or may not be fuelling, and without attempting to position his product among those of a range of other brands that are built according to an entirely different rulebook.

So thankful for this articulation. I think it’s what many us believe but would fail miserably in trying to convey it this well.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

I think FPJ has a rather singular position in that FP is still alive and very much steering the fortunes of the brand. As a result of this, the brand consists of the vision of one person and is hard to really classify in terms of watchmaking. What he thinks is important (innovative chronometry) they do very well, what he feels is just a chore (proper finishing) not so much.

At the core, all of the traditional big houses of high watchmaking essentially celebrate the „art de faire“ by finding more or less original ways to build watches that comply with the standards of flawless workmanship and finishing to the highest extent possible. And while that’s great to maintain the art and craft, the products are undeniably repetitive and do not translate into the pursuit of a particular engineering objective. In the end, it’s always the same calendars/chronographs/tourbillons/chiming watches/worldtimers, or any combination thereof. Other than the Zeitwerk, this approach has yielded very little true innovation, but as a customer, you know you’re buying the time of a person polishing angles with a handheld touret or, in the best cases, a bois de gentiane somewhere in the vicinity of the Lac de Joux or south of Dresden. In other words, you buy a piece of a century old labour of love that‘s somehow unbelievably valuable, wonderful and deserving of being maintained, despite it’s ultimate pointlessness.

FPJ on the other hand is entirely different in that respect. Rather than celebrating the steady hand of the person applying a flawless finish (which I would argue is acceptable but not FPJ‘s core strength), the brand is about realizing the more or less genius ideas of one of the very few truly great watchmakers of our time. Yes, not everything is perfect, like the inherently flawed concept of the centigraphe or the debatable merits of the resonance, but unlike the others, FPJ pursued clear objectives, tried to advance what we understand a watch‘s abilities to be and actually executed his concepts, whether or not in a quality that may rival the very best.

In the meantime, Patek made „inspired“ (using this very ironically here) things like a watch with handwriting on the dial, a nice but not world changing pusher system for dual time watches with awkward holes in the dial and a pilot’s watch with an alarm that might as well be a JLC, if not for the consistently outstanding quality of their execution. Lange made countless variations of the one good idea they had with the Zeitwerk, on an equally impressive level of quality and Vacheron did nothing original at all (with the possible exception of its last GPHG watch), but did that amazingly well.

On this basis, I would call the comparison apples to oranges and suggest that we just respect FPJ for who he is, without indulging in the pump and dump hype some outlets may or may not be fuelling, and without attempting to position his product among those of a range of other brands that are built according to an entirely different rulebook.

Best post of the thread.

[Lo100169]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Best post of the thread.

I agree 100%

[Swaye]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Or perhaps FPJ is a truly excellent class-leading brand that makes exquisite timepieces, plus FPJ offers excellent customer service too. FPJ, imho, makes far better timepieces than many other leading brands. Perhaps TRF should add an FPJ board here, as they do other lesser-quality and lower customer service brands that take six months simply to do a very basic service one of their timepieces.

This. Excellent watches (if you like the style). Period. The end.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Swaye

This. Excellent watches (if you like the style). Period. The end.

[BigAppleBill]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic
Or perhaps FPJ is a truly excellent class-leading brand that makes exquisite timepieces, plus FPJ offers excellent customer service too. FPJ, imho, makes far better timepieces than many other leading brands. Perhaps TRF should add an FPJ board here, as they do other lesser-quality and lower customer service brands that take six months simply to do a very basic service one of their timepieces.

Originally Posted by Swaye

This. Excellent watches (if you like the style). Period. The end.

^^What they said. More and more people are discovering and appreciating the quality, design, philosophy and relative rarity of FPJ watches. I also think a certain segment of watch enthusiasts appreciate a skilled manufacturer with integrity of purpose, which offers an alternative to more the well known, higher production houses.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by BigAppleBill

I also think a certain segment of watch enthusiasts appreciate a skilled manufacturer [FPJ] with integrity of purpose, which offers an alternative to more the well known, higher production houses.

Decades of experience collecting also gives one a perspective of reality [FPG] versus hyped up old Swiss brand names too. Many newbies seem to trip over the hyped brands that are merely a shadow's shadow of what they once were.

It's wonderful that FPJ is delivering the highest of standards.

jmho

[037]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Decades of experience collecting also gives one a perspective of reality [FPG] versus hyped up old Swiss brand names too. Many newbies seem to trip over the hyped brands that are merely a shadow's shadow of what they once were.

It's wonderful that FPJ is delivering the highest of standards.

jmho

Of course. The problem isn't the brand itself but dealers buying up stock and pumping up prices. I remember when the FPJ CB was $25~27k. Now it's $40+ with many at $45+. Nothing changed about the brand but everything changed about the market.

FPJ has therefore gone from a true enthusiast's brand to yet another victim of the hype machine.

[rockdrock]

Originally Posted by BigAppleBill

^^What they said. More and more people are discovering and appreciating the quality, design, philosophy and relative rarity of FPJ watches. I also think a certain segment of watch enthusiasts appreciate a skilled manufacturer with integrity of purpose, which offers an alternative to more the well known, higher production houses.

You just described my story into Journe. I looked at Journe two years ago after being fed up with waitlists. Now, on waitlists again. But, the watches are just stunning. Big fan and can’t speak highly enough of them. Love the Miami boutique.


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[Mr. Miami]

Originally Posted by rockdrock

You just described my story into Journe. I looked at Journe two years ago after being fed up with waitlists. Now, on waitlists again. But, the watches are just stunning. Big fan and can’t speak highly enough of them. Love the Miami boutique.


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I plan on taking a trip to the boutique in Miami at some point after covid 19. I read an article about it and seems like it’s a great experience and atmosphere especially with the bar!

[GB-man]

As noted Watchbox is owned by govberg who is a large journe AD and a major player in the journe secondary market. I love FPJ watches but they too will fall hard in price by summer.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by GB-man

As noted Watchbox is owned by govberg who is a large journe AD and a major player in the journe secondary market. I love FPJ watches but they too will fall hard in price by summer.

How hard can they possibly fall? I don’t think they make that many a year.

[joli160]

Because these are beautiful watches and deserve to be in the spot light