What do I want with the 3235 caliber?

[doramas]

I have a Datejust of almost 32 years with a 3135 movement. It was one of the first Rolex to carry this fantastic caliber, and I say fantastic because my Datejust is at -0.16666666 seconds a day, or what is the same, -5 seconds a month.
With these figures, I don't need a 3235.

Long life to the 3135 caliber

[HNS]

I agree that it's not accuracy or durability that you may need with the 3235 because the 3135 is a great caliber.

The only two things you may need with the 3235 is the 70 hours power reserve which is nice to have for many of us and the future availability of spare parts, albeit after a long time.

Enjoy both in good health

[Fluster.Cluck]

Anyone know when the new movement will be in the Explorer 1 (214270)?

My local AD called and said they got one in that I planned on looking at. Worried it would be updated in 2021.

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by Fluster.Cluck

Anyone know when the new movement will be in the Explorer 1 (214270)?

My local AD called and said they got one in that I planned on looking at. Worried it would be updated in 2021.

I would not worry about an update. If you like the watch and it is available now I would jump all over it. At some point there will be a gap in supply from the factory closure and a new model will be impossible to get for a while. The 3135 is a great movement without any of the documented issues of the new movement of oil problems and rotor noise. And the new movement is much expensive to repair down the road should problems arise with the escapement.

[Fluster.Cluck]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

I would not worry about an update. If you like the watch and it is available now I would jump all over it. At some point there will be a gap in supply from the factory closure and a new model will be impossible to get for a while. The 3135 is a great movement without any of the documented issues of the new movement of oil problems and rotor noise. And the new movement is much expensive to repair down the road should problems arise with the escapement.

Thanks for the informative response!

I will be turning 30 and having a son in the coming months. Really wanted to get a 2020 so your reply helps keep me at ease.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

I would not worry about an update. If you like the watch and it is available now I would jump all over it. At some point there will be a gap in supply from the factory closure and a new model will be impossible to get for a while. The 3135 is a great movement without any of the documented issues of the new movement of oil problems and rotor noise. And the new movement is much expensive to repair down the road should problems arise with the escapement.

Quite right.
The change to the new movement design also means a shift toward being bound by more stringent control over parts availability and accreditation.
We have to be more reliant on the good will of Rolex in a fast changing world. A concept I'm fully conscious of as an owner of a DSSD or two with the 3135

[doramas]

Originally Posted by HNS

I agree that it's not accuracy or durability that you may need with the 3235 because the 3135 is a great caliber.

The only two things you may need with the 3235 is the 70 hours power reserve which is nice to have for many of us and the future availability of spare parts, albeit after a long time.

Enjoy both in good health

Availability of parts? But there are still new Rolexes that use that caliber. I will pass on to a better life and there will still be spare parts for the 3135. It will certainly survive me working perfectly.

[HNS]

Originally Posted by doramas

Availability of parts? But there are still new Rolexes that use that caliber. I will pass on to a better life and there will still be spare parts for the 3135. It will certainly survive me working perfectly.

It will definitely serve you well my friend !

[padi56]

Originally Posted by HNS

I agree that it's not accuracy or durability that you may need with the 3235 because the 3135 is a great caliber.

The only two things you may need with the 3235 is the 70 hours power reserve which is nice to have for many of us and the future availability of spare parts, albeit after a long time.

Enjoy both in good health

Well power-reserve would not be the main function in any watch for me, and when they get the few issues fixed with the cal 3235, would expect it will be as accurate and long lasting as the cal 3135.Today just like many Rolex watches like say the Daytona with 70 plus hours P/R, and those with the 32 series movement will end up on one of these so called winding machine.So is this extra power-reserve needed by making the spring-barrel very thin on the 32 series.And as for parts they still have most parts for the 15 series movements and in the case of the 31 series movements parts for another 30- 50 odd years.

[Mystro]

O.k. Your accuracy has more to do with the hands that regulated the watch.

[Onikage]

I need my buttery smooth winding and almost silent rotor more than a 70 hour power reserve.

[Napoleon]

Originally Posted by Onikage

I need my buttery smooth winding and almost silent rotor more than a 70 hour power reserve.

Amen!

[denmanproject]

Originally Posted by Onikage

I need my buttery smooth winding and almost silent rotor more than a 70 hour power reserve.

Agreed

[clock]

Do these have a quick set feature?

[Rori]

Originally Posted by doramas

I have a Datejust of almost 32 years with a 3135 movement. It was one of the first Rolex to carry this fantastic caliber, and I say fantastic because my Datejust is at -0.16666666 seconds a day, or what is the same, -5 seconds a month.
With these figures, I don't need a 3235.

Long life to the 3135 caliber

Didn’t know the 3135 was that old.
Hope that 30 years from now, we “3235 owners” will say the same of this caliber vs the future one.


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[R_Rated]

3235 is an upgraded & updated 3125. Saying that the 3125 is just fine and tells good time is like saying a timex keeps good enough time. Appreciate owning a piece of history that has been a faithful companion but also respect that after multiple decades things can be improved upon. Something better coming along doesn't taint the memories and story you have experienced with your beloved, its just progress.

[Robf52]

Originally Posted by R_Rated

3235 is an upgraded & updated 3125. Saying that the 3125 is just fine and tells good time is like saying a timex keeps good enough time. Appreciate owning a piece of history that has been a faithful companion but also respect that after multiple decades things can be improved upon. Something better coming along doesn't taint the memories and story you have experienced with your beloved, its just progress.

Well said.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by R_Rated

3235 is an upgraded & updated 3125. Saying that the 3125 is just fine and tells good time is like saying a timex keeps good enough time. Appreciate owning a piece of history that has been a faithful companion but also respect that after multiple decades things can be improved upon. Something better coming along doesn't taint the memories and story you have experienced with your beloved, its just progress.

The 3235 is not an upgraded/updated 3135, it is a completely new movement from the ground up. They're not alike at all.

[peterskinner]

All designs get overtaken at some point, no matter how good they are. What the new movement offers is the opportunity of years of fresh development.

[Boaters]

Personally speaking the 70 hour powereserve.

[LOWERCASE GUY]

The new movement is also 10x more shock resistant then the 3135 and also entirely paramagnetic. Not a deal breaker by any stretch but the increased accuracy, power reserve, shock resistance and anti magnetic features add up to a pretty impressive upgrade.

That said, the 3135 is tried and tested and has stood the test of time thus far and will continue to be effective for many years to come.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by LOWERCASE GUY

The new movement is also 10x more shock resistant then the 3135 and also entirely paramagnetic. Not a deal breaker by any stretch but the increased accuracy, power reserve, shock resistance and anti magnetic features add up to a pretty impressive upgrade.

That said, the 3135 is tried and tested and has stood the test of time thus far and will continue to be effective for many years to come.

10× more shock resistant? I think not...

There's literally no advantage of having the paraflex shock absorber VS the Kif.
The only real reason for the 'upgrade' to Paraflex is because it is their own shock absorber, rather than someone else's design, and just another step towards being fully in-house.

Oh and the 32×× rotor ball bearing is not even nearly as shock resistant as an old type rotor axle.

I have replaced many rotors on the 32 series already, after a hard knock/drop. Plenty of them didn't even have a shattered crystal.

Yes the 32×× is brand new, has cool features and looks much better. But I cannot think of it as a better movement in terms of durability.

Not to even speak of the incredible amount of watches that need a full service under warranty...

[904VT]

Originally Posted by SearChart

10× more shock resistant? I think not...

There's literally no advantage of having the paraflex shock absorber VS the Kif.
The only real reason for the 'upgrade' to Paraflex is because it is their own shock absorber, rather than someone else's design, and just another step towards being fully in-house.

Oh and the 32×× rotor ball bearing is not even nearly as shock resistant as an old type rotor axle.

I have replaced many rotors on the 32 series already, after a hard knock/drop. Plenty of them didn't even have a shattered crystal.

Yes the 32×× is brand new, has cool features and looks much better. But I cannot think of it as a better movement in terms of durability.

Not to even speak of the incredible amount of watches that need a full service under warranty...

Great points Bas. Also, worth mentioning those ceramic ball bearings make for a much louder rotor swing too if that sort of thing matters to one.

[LOWERCASE GUY]

Originally Posted by SearChart

10× more shock resistant? I think not...

There's literally no advantage of having the paraflex shock absorber VS the Kif.
The only real reason for the 'upgrade' to Paraflex is because it is their own shock absorber, rather than someone else's design, and just another step towards being fully in-house.

Oh and the 32×× rotor ball bearing is not even nearly as shock resistant as an old type rotor axle.

I have replaced many rotors on the 32 series already, after a hard knock/drop. Plenty of them didn't even have a shattered crystal.

Yes the 32×× is brand new, has cool features and looks much better. But I cannot think of it as a better movement in terms of durability.

Not to even speak of the incredible amount of watches that need a full service under warranty...

The parachrom bleu hairspring has been updated for the 3235. It is now 10x more precise than a traditional hairspring in case of shocks. The shock resistance vs the kif has been improved by up to 50% so there is an advantage, albeit not as great I initially stated.

Is it not too early to judge it's durability?

Your knowledge vastly outweighs my own and I respect your point of view, I'm just a keen student trying to learn but I am a big fan of the new movement.

Peace.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by LOWERCASE GUY

The parachrom bleu hairspring has been updated for the 3235. It is now 10x more precise than a traditional hairspring in case of shocks. The shock resistance vs the kif has been improved by up to 50% so there is an advantage, albeit not as great I initially stated.

Is it not too early to judge it's durability?

Your knowledge vastly outweighs my own and I respect your point of view, I'm just a keen student trying to learn but I am a big fan of the new movement.

Peace.

The parachrom hairspring was first introduced in the Daytona way back in 2000 but then it was a grey colour, now its bleu by a chemical oxidation process.And in the real world no huge advantage, same for the shock system except perhaps now made in-house.And no matter the name of the hairspring or shock system the main factor with any movement is down to how well its been regulated its that simple.My 5513 with the kif shock system Nivarox hairspring runs a consistent +2 seconds.Afraid new is not always better, with Rolex its marketing and trying to make every thing in-house made.But certain movement parts are still outsourced the mainsprings are outsourced made by Schwab-Feller AG, and movement synthetic ruby bearings and cap jewel bearings,dial crystals,spring-bars,all screws movement and bracelet screws outsourced, and a firm called Aiguilles makes all the watch hands for all models.

[LOWERCASE GUY]

Originally Posted by padi56

The parachrom hairspring was first introduced in the Daytona way back in 2000 but then it was a grey colour, now its bleu by a chemical oxidation process.And in the real world no huge advantage, same for the shock system except perhaps now made in-house.And no matter the name of the hairspring or shock system the main factor with any movement is down to how well its been regulated its that simple.My 5513 with the kif shock system Nivarox hairspring runs a consistent +2 seconds.Afraid new is not always better, with Rolex its marketing and trying to make every thing in-house made.But certain movement parts are still outsourced the mainsprings are outsourced made by Schwab-Feller AG, and movement synthetic ruby bearings and cap jewel bearings,dial crystals,spring-bars,all screws movement and bracelet screws outsourced, and a firm called Aiguilles makes all the watch hands for all models.

Thanks Padi. Yes I did know the parachrom hairspring was first introduced on the Daytona when the moved away from the Zenith movement, only I thought it had went a blue colour naturally after it was refined to perform better not just simply chemically dyed.

Maybe i've been sucked in by the marketing machine, Rolex say it's better and vastly improved, I assumed it to be the case. I've no real experience and accept the opinions of the real world users. I've no axe to grind and accept I am still learning.

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by padi56

The parachrom hairspring was first introduced in the Daytona way back in 2000 but then it was a grey colour, now its bleu by a chemical oxidation process.And in the real world no huge advantage

You keep insisting on this despite having being corrected already.

I try again:

"The blue color is due to the increasing thickness of the layer of Niobium on the spring. After a few years of production Rolex changed the thickness of the layer on the spring and the oxidation of the Niobium changes its color according to is thickness.

In short, it's not just a mere change of color. It has a scientific and practical purpose."

But maybe it is I who's wrong, unfortunately I'm not able to find my source anymore. Let's see if Bas can chime in on this.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Oh and the 32×× rotor ball bearing is not even nearly as shock resistant as an old type rotor axle.

I have replaced many rotors on the 32 series already, after a hard knock/drop. Plenty of them didn't even have a shattered crystal.

Yes the 32×× is brand new, has cool features and looks much better. But I cannot think of it as a better movement in terms of durability.

Not to even speak of the incredible amount of watches that need a full service under warranty...

^^^ This !!

In 3135 I trust .
(I have 3235s too )

[padi56]

Originally Posted by LOWERCASE GUY

The new movement is also 10x more shock resistant then the 3135 and also entirely paramagnetic. Not a deal breaker by any stretch but the increased accuracy, power reserve, shock resistance and anti magnetic features add up to a pretty impressive upgrade.

That said, the 3135 is tried and tested and has stood the test of time thus far and will continue to be effective for many years to come.

Afraid thats not true especially the S/R part..

[904VT]

3135 is amazing and pretty much bulletproof. It would be my choice still today.