DJ41 Buyer's Remorse - Flip into a Sub?

[BLT2020]

So I got a DJ41 with a rhodium dial and oyster bracelet. It's by far the nicest watch I've ever owned, as my most expensive watch other than this is an Apple Watch. But I've had the watch less than a week and already have some buyer's remorse. Here is my experience with the DJ41:

1. The quality of the build is very high and it is within one second per day.

2. The sunburst dial and shiny surfaces are a lot flashier than I really feel comfortable with. I am not a showy person and want something that obviously looks luxurious but maybe doesn't bling so much.

3. I wish it had a rotating bezel to time things.

4. I love the cyclops. Date is very useful for me.

5. I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable wearing it at work.

6. I don't think the rhodium dial lends itself well to being a good casual watch since it looks quite flashy. I think I'd prefer a non-sunburst dial.

7. I'm not a fan of PCLs. Not because of the scratches or anything. Just because it looks a bit too blingy.

8. When I look down at the watch, I don't see myself wearing it everywhere, doing anything and loving it deeply. When you know, you know... And this just is not the one.

9. It's not a Sub, and I've realized I can't rationalize my way out of that being the watch I love.

The watch was a gift from my wife celebrating a major milestone and she loves the watch, but ultimately it wasn't a blind gift and was something we discussed (a lot) and decided on, so she knows about buyer's remorse and that it isn't my first choice of watch but something we could get at the AD. I feel guilty for not fully appreciating the gift from my wife but ultimately it does not feel like "the one". In my heart of hearts I know it is a black on black Submariner - really any of them. The 16610, the 116610LN (probably my favourite) or the new 126610LN would all do for me.

So the question becomes this - what can I do from here?

My wife told me to keep it for a year and wear it, and if I still feel the same then I can sell it (maybe lose $1k or whatever) and get a Sub and it can still be an heirloom piece to celebrate the milestone this DJ was meant to celebrate.

My question is, how to best go about this? I have the box, papers, warranty, and bought the watch from the AD.

Am I best swapping this for a Sub through a grey market dealer? Am I better off separately selling it for cash then subsequently buying a Sub? What is the best way to go about this? Where do I even start?

I paid (including taxes) CAD$10,250 or so for the watch and it is showing on Chrono24 for over CAD$12,000 pre-owned. So I'm not particularly concerned about losing my money (and money is not the big issue here). My concern is I don't want to do anything stupid but I want to get the watch I'm most interested in without doing anything stupid or unnecessarily losing money. Used Subs appear to be going for about CAD$17,000, or maybe CAD$13,000 pre-ceramic. I could afford to spend whatever the additional amount is needed for a Sub, although I am also considering the pre-ceramic.

Any guidance would be appreciated here.

[StevePirates]

I agree with your wife. Keep it for a bit. It’s a great watch, and you may very well find that you grow into it. If you don’t, you won’t lose money by holding it for a bit and trading it out later.

....Or, save like crazy, keep it, add a sub to it, and welcome to the lovely and impoverishing world of watch collecting. Then you’ll have a fancy watch for fancy things (relatively speaking) and a daily watch for more rugged use.

[StevePirates]

To answer your “how do I” question - Sell it outright. Then buy what you want from those funds. You want to sell to an end user, you don’t want to trade into a merchant who needs to buy low to flip it.

[BLT2020]

Originally Posted by StevePirates

To answer your “how do I” question - Sell it outright. Then buy what you want from those funds. You want to sell to an end user, you don’t want to trade into a merchant who needs to buy low to flip it.

So do dealers particularly lowball you in trade-ins?

[huncho]

Originally Posted by BLT2020

So do dealers particularly lowball you in trade-ins?

of course, they have to make money after they buy it from you. davidsw has a used one up for 10875, you'll probably be offered something in the range of 8-9k for it

[StevePirates]

Originally Posted by BLT2020

So do dealers particularly lowball you in trade-ins?

I don’t think it’s “low-balling”, but yeah, they can’t give you the same price they’ll charge on the turnaround, or there is no profit in the deal. If you want to max out your recovery on the piece, you need to sell it to an end-user yourself.

[huncho]

chrono24 prices are misleading because they take fees for every sale. if you don't like it just PM a trusted seller here and do a trade in. you should expect to lose some money on the sale + whatever you add for the sub

[ronricks]

If you don’t like it either sell it or use it as part of a trade to get the watch you really want.

[Seddyspaghetti]

If your wife is ok with it, Sell it yourself thru forums to get top dollar or sell to trusted dealer for a quick sale but they won’t pay you as much for it obviously. Then buy the sub of your choice.

Life’s too short to hang on to a watch you don’t really want. Esp at that price point.

[Robf52]

Originally Posted by seddyspaghetti

if your wife is ok with it, sell it yourself thru forums to get top dollar or sell to trusted dealer for a quick sale but they won’t pay you as much for it obviously. Then buy the sub of your choice.

Life’s too short to hang on to a watch you don’t really want. Esp at that price point.

+1.

[G.Montag]

The number of people who would consider a stainless steel DJ41 to be a "blingy" watch can likely be counted on one hand. I mean it's a Rolex, so it stands out to some extent, but so does the Sub. In fact, the Sub will have even more wrist presence. So if your main reason for getting rid of DJ is because it's too noticeable, you will be disappointed with a Sub for the same reason. If, however, you simply don't like the DJ and the "bling" factor is mental gymnastics that you need to convince yourself to trade up to the Sub, then by all means, go ahead. If you are going to own one nice watch, it better be one that you actually like.

[BLT2020]

Originally Posted by G.Montag

The number of people who would consider a stainless steel DJ41 to be a "blingy" watch can likely be counted on one hand. I mean it's a Rolex, so it stands out to some extent, but so does the Sub. In fact, the Sub will have even more wrist presence. So if your main reason for getting rid of DJ is because it's too noticeable, you will be disappointed with a Sub for the same reason. If, however, you simply don't like the DJ and the "bling" factor is mental gymnastics that you need to convince yourself to trade up to the Sub, then by all means, go ahead. If you are going to own one nice watch, it better be one that you actually like.

It's just a pretty shiny watch with the sunburst dial specifically, and the PCLs make the bracelet flashier than a Sub/Explorer. It's just a bit shinier and reflects like more than I like - the Sub dial is not sunburst and has a lot more brushed surfaces.

And maybe it is simply the fact I like the Sub more. Don't need to get in the details on this but it doesn't sing to me the way I think it should. I'll keep it for a while to see how I feel about it.

[mmmmp]

Originally Posted by BLT2020

It's just a pretty shiny watch with the sunburst dial specifically, and the PCLs make the bracelet flashier than a Sub/Explorer. It's just a bit shinier and reflects like more than I like - the Sub dial is not sunburst and has a lot more brushed surfaces.

And maybe it is simply the fact I like the Sub more. Don't need to get in the details on this but it doesn't sing to me the way I think it should. I'll keep it for a while to see how I feel about it.

If you're not liking the watch now, thinking about the Sub, and using words like 'it doesn't sing to me the way it should"....keeping it for another week, let alone a *year* will only get you less on a trade in or sale.

This 'milestone' stuff means NOTHING to a buyer, dealer or potential buyer. You and you wife were obviously not on the same page when discussing the purchase. In fact, how did you end up with a watch you don't seem to like? And, so soon after the purchase.

Doesn't matter.

Get that reference out of your life as soon as possible. You'll get the most value if unblemished and you'll have your hearts desire sooner.

Gotta' ask, didn't you try them on before buying? I assume there were extenuating circumstances which led to this situation since jewellery stores are notorious for bringing out the, as you call it, "bling" in diamonds, gold and watches.

Oh well, just my opinion. Hope you get the Submariner of your dreams. Let us know how things work out.

All the best in 2021.

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[Bladeshot]

Originally Posted by BLT2020

It's just a pretty shiny watch with the sunburst dial specifically, and the PCLs make the bracelet flashier than a Sub/Explorer. It's just a bit shinier and reflects like more than I like - the Sub dial is not sunburst and has a lot more brushed surfaces.

And maybe it is simply the fact I like the Sub more. Don't need to get in the details on this but it doesn't sing to me the way I think it should. I'll keep it for a while to see how I feel about it.

Good move. Wife’s suggestion makes sense. She will appreciate that you honor her request. I know how it feels to make a mistake and to want to trade out of it.

I know it feels flashy to you, but it’s likely not as flashy as you think. It’s just your own perception; and yes, that matters. I get it. But it blends in pretty well. Often copied. It is one of the most copied designs on the planet. Seiko, and so many other clones.

Just hit pause, wear it a while, and then make your move.

There are a large number of us on this forum who will say that no one is looking at your watch except you. I know it’s hard to accept, but observe the people with you. They are far more concerned with themselves, their problems, their needs, etc.. 99% of them are not paying any attention to you, what you say, or what you wear.

They are looking at their iPhones! Seriously.


That’s my 2cents.

[Patton250]

This watch is no more “flashy” then any other Rolex I’m afraid. Wait until you see a shiny ceramic bezel flashing up at you. :-)

However if you’d rather have a sub then definitely trade it. Get the watch you want. The trade will cost you though. Probably around 5k unless you sell the DJ yourself and buy the sub at retail.

[Brny11]

Originally Posted by BLT2020

So I got a DJ41 with a rhodium dial and oyster bracelet. It's by far the nicest watch I've ever owned, as my most expensive watch other than this is an Apple Watch. But I've had the watch less than a week and already have some buyer's remorse. Here is my experience with the DJ41:

1. The quality of the build is very high and it is within one second per day.

2. The sunburst dial and shiny surfaces are a lot flashier than I really feel comfortable with. I am not a showy person and want something that obviously looks luxurious but maybe doesn't bling so much.

3. I wish it had a rotating bezel to time things.

4. I love the cyclops. Date is very useful for me.

5. I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable wearing it at work.

6. I don't think the rhodium dial lends itself well to being a good casual watch since it looks quite flashy. I think I'd prefer a non-sunburst dial.

7. I'm not a fan of PCLs. Not because of the scratches or anything. Just because it looks a bit too blingy.

8. When I look down at the watch, I don't see myself wearing it everywhere, doing anything and loving it deeply. When you know, you know... And this just is not the one.

9. It's not a Sub, and I've realized I can't rationalize my way out of that being the watch I love.

The watch was a gift from my wife celebrating a major milestone and she loves the watch, but ultimately it wasn't a blind gift and was something we discussed (a lot) and decided on, so she knows about buyer's remorse and that it isn't my first choice of watch but something we could get at the AD. I feel guilty for not fully appreciating the gift from my wife but ultimately it does not feel like "the one". In my heart of hearts I know it is a black on black Submariner - really any of them. The 16610, the 116610LN (probably my favourite) or the new 126610LN would all do for me.

So the question becomes this - what can I do from here?

My wife told me to keep it for a year and wear it, and if I still feel the same then I can sell it (maybe lose $1k or whatever) and get a Sub and it can still be an heirloom piece to celebrate the milestone this DJ was meant to celebrate.

My question is, how to best go about this? I have the box, papers, warranty, and bought the watch from the AD.

Am I best swapping this for a Sub through a grey market dealer? Am I better off separately selling it for cash then subsequently buying a Sub? What is the best way to go about this? Where do I even start?

I paid (including taxes) CAD$10,250 or so for the watch and it is showing on Chrono24 for over CAD$12,000 pre-owned. So I'm not particularly concerned about losing my money (and money is not the big issue here). My concern is I don't want to do anything stupid but I want to get the watch I'm most interested in without doing anything stupid or unnecessarily losing money. Used Subs appear to be going for about CAD$17,000, or maybe CAD$13,000 pre-ceramic. I could afford to spend whatever the additional amount is needed for a Sub, although I am also considering the pre-ceramic.

Any guidance would be appreciated here.

#9 trumps all other points so I am fine with flipping for a sub. Your wife does make a good point though. A year is not a long time to feel it out.

To your points, invicta makes flashier watches for 100$. Most won’t notice it (though I agree it is more flashy than sub). Rotating bezel you likely won’t use (not to speak for you, but it is novelty IMO). PCLs are the worst, I agree with that, though they look better on jubilee.

If only one, go for sub and get it over with you won’t be disappointed. If you can swing both, it be a very dynamic duo!!


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[BDII]

Originally Posted by Brny11

Rotating bezel you likely won’t use (not to speak for you, but it is novelty IMO).

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I use mine at least once a week for another perspective. I love to cook, and hate being tied to my phone.


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[Brny11]

Originally Posted by BDII

I use mine at least once a week for another perspective. I love to cook, and hate being tied to my phone.


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I am sureee many do. I don’t want to come off ignorant to that. Just not sure that would be a selling point for me personally to flip a watch.

[rolexnyc718]

Agree with the wife, keep it for a year or a few
month to see if you change your mind and ask the AD you bought it from to see if you can be allocated a sub, if not, then sell it and buy the sub from a trusted dealer.

[Deepseadog]

I would sell it while it's still NIB and get the watch you want.

[TswaneNguni]

Keep it for a year

[bwdellorf76]

If you want to get away from the bling, consider an Explorer 1. Best all around watch there is and it has the brushed oyster bracelet.

[samuel019]

Originally Posted by bwdellorf76

If you want to get away from the bling, consider an Explorer 1. Best all around watch there is and it has the brushed oyster bracelet.

Boom. Sell your DJ and if any profits put that toward a Sub down the line or at the same time.

Explorer can go dress and rugged. Best all around watch from Rolex imho if you’re not looking for shiny/flash.

[BLT2020]

Originally Posted by samuel019

Boom. Sell your DJ and if any profits put that toward a Sub down the line or at the same time.

Explorer can go dress and rugged. Best all around watch from Rolex imho if you’re not looking for shiny/flash.

I do strongly consider the Explorer to be a favourite, but from a functional standpoint I need the date function.

[samuel019]

Originally Posted by BLT2020

I do strongly consider the Explorer to be a favourite, but from a functional standpoint I need the date function.

You get use too not having the date. On your phone, cpu, and in your head once you know it

I love the date function too but being one sided it deprives you of some awesome watches. For me when I’m wearing my OP, Exp, Sub-114060, and Daytona I don’t even really even think of the date.

[rmags]

Originally Posted by BLT2020

I do strongly consider the Explorer to be a favourite, but from a functional standpoint I need the date function.

It sounds like you really just wanted the Sub date. I would recommend NOT to do the same thing again by “settling” on the Explorer. IMO, you should just sell now (not grey) and use the funds towards the actual timepiece you wanted in the first place.

[rolexfanforlife]

IF you decide on trading for a sub, I highly recommend the 6 digits ceramic ones as your only (116610 or 126610). I love the 5 digit, but I think the 6 digit is a big upgrade and more sturdy

[A2-rolex]

Interestingly my friend just commented on how shiny my Sub is last night at dinner.... Agree with other people here that a sub won’t be any less attention grabbing than the DJ but I do think the fluted bezel shines quite a bit. If I were you, I’d keep the DJ and get on a list for a sub from an AD.

[Houston77]

Keep it and save up for the Sub. A TT DJ is something special, and a DJ / Sub combo is hard to beat.


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[BLT2020]

Originally Posted by Houston77

Keep it and save up for the Sub. A TT DJ is something special, and a DJ / Sub combo is hard to beat.


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This is of course the other option - to keep the DJ41 and not sell it and buy the Sub, then I can sell the DJ41 down the line if I do not find it useful anymore.