Red Sub : advice please

[gilel]

Hi all,
I pursue my search for a nice red sub :)
For this one the dial and the lugs seam ok, but what about the crown gards ?
Service insert or fake ?
What is your overall appraisal ?
Thanks in advance.

gilel

[Dan S]

I could not tolerate that case. Take a look at the crown guards on some other examples.

Since a picture is worth 1k words, here is a nice case previously sold so you can see how dramatically the shape has been changed:
https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...shed-case-5794

[FrenchBigCrown]

What sort of price are they asking gilel?

[gilel]

Originally Posted by FrenchBigCrown

What sort of price are they asking gilel?

Need to call to get the price. Knowing the vendor (famous trusted one in Paris - France) it should be above 30K

[btinl]

Service insert. Case is overpolished. I could not tolerate those crown guards.

[1675-David]

X2

[gilel]

Thank you, you just confirmed my thoughts regarding the case and especially the crown guards.

[Dan S]

TBH, it doesn't feel quite like a "famous dealer" watch to me.

[mbc]

Don't disagree with the case comments here -- but it's not everyday you see an MKI dial -- if that matters to you OP, certainly follow though and check pricing and determine if it's worth it to you...

[RolexGonz]

It’s a nice dial. You could the case refinished and get a period correct insert. All depends on price. But dial supersedes case and insert IMO.

[michaelodonnell123]

Protect your hard earned money and don't buy it until you have it fully authenticated inside & outside (case back opened and fully inspected).

[zapokee]

Interesting alingment of the red "Submariner" text with the depth rating below it...

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by zapokee

Interesting alingment of the red "Submariner" text with the depth rating below it...

I dont see anything wrong with it.... looks like a correct Mark I dial to me. What are we missing?

Agree with the others on the case condition, etc.

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

I dont see anything wrong with it.... looks like a correct Mark I dial to me. What are we missing?

Agree with the others on the case condition, etc.

I wasn't saying it's wrong. It's just different (i.e., left-aligned) from the centralized symmetrical alignment of, for example, a MK IV.

[gilel]

Originally Posted by michaelodonnell123

Protect your hard earned money and don't buy it until you have it fully authenticated inside & outside (case back opened and fully inspected).

Wise advice, Thanks.

gilel

[harry in montreal]

The crown guards are filed down to the nub. It’s sad that people think it makes the watch look better back in the day

[cts]

Red sub is one of my all time favorites!!! Inspect and inspect again. Definitely worth investing in the right one. But expect to pay a premium…

[1665fan]

Only thing that is worth is buying for under market value and sending the case to get totally reworked and the crown guards brought back……restoration project

[Paul]

Someone's done a dreadful job on those crown guards. Looks like they fired up the polishing wheel on the 10:00 o'clock side and wandered off for a cup of tea.

The condition of those crown guards makes an otherwise great watch very undesirable to me at any price really. Seriously over-polished and a huge mismatch between the two sides just to add insult to injury.

[gilel]

Originally Posted by Paul

Someone's done a dreadful job on those crown guards. Looks like they fired up the polishing wheel on the 10:00 o'clock side and wandered off for a cup of tea.

The condition of those crown guards makes an otherwise great watch very undesirable to me at any price really. Seriously over-polished and a huge mismatch between the two sides just to add insult to injury.

I totally agree. Thank you all for your advice.
The quest continues...

gilel

[Greglaw]

Doesn’t have crown guards it has ground guards. I would find a better example.