16700 Possible Purchase

[16710Guy]

My previous thread of the 16710 watch will be returned and I'm looking for another watch. Anything off from these two website photos? Bezel color split, is it too much into the 18? Also the end link being a 558, is that not correct? This 16700 is claimed to be a "T" series.

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by 16710Guy

My previous thread of the 16710 watch will be returned and I'm looking for another watch. Anything off from these two website photos? Bezel color split, is it too much into the 18? Also the end link being a 558, is that not correct? This 16700 is claimed to be a "T" series.

For some reason the reflections make the crystal look like its a "domed" style acrylic?

Worth just making sure its a flat sapphire.

other than that, not too familar with the 16700 model (ala your other questions) which is a transitional between the 16750 and 16710.

[16710Guy]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

For some reason the reflections make the crystal look like its a "domed" style acrylic?

Worth just making sure its a flat sapphire.

other than that, not too familar with the 16700 model (ala your other questions) which is a transitional between the 16750 and 16710.

Thank you, hopefully tomorrow I'll receive more "real" photos. Side shots of the case that I've seen look like flat glass but I'll make sure.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

For some reason the reflections make the crystal look like its a "domed" style acrylic?

Worth just making sure its a flat sapphire.

other than that, not too familar with the 16700 model (ala your other questions) which is a transitional between the 16750 and 16710.

Indeed, I suspect aftermarket by its edge ✓

Sorry to be pedant....but 700 (thinnest Sapphire) was the End of line for the Master 1 range (6542-1675-16750-16700).

The oversized 760 (fat sea dweller based case that was modified to house the calibre and got a lot of criticism in UK from buyers for being too bulky, so whose days were numbered before slimmer 710 was swiftly introduced just 5-6 yrs on !) was the first GMT 2 (that sold alongside 700 and at a huge 25% premium over the 700 for about half a decade).

Thus the Gmt2 760 was 'transitional' to the the hurriedly introduced thinner 710, which had a good decade and a half in prod,' prior to arrival of 116710LN ceramic green hand mid of noughties.

[springer]

558 end links are not intended for GMTs. They are for Datejusts and possibly other similar models. Insert is non original.

[16710Guy]

Originally Posted by springer

558 end links are not intended for GMTs. They are for Datejusts and possibly other similar models.

Thank you, mostly what I saw out there but wanted to make sure. Any draw backs other than not numbers matching? Assume correct ones aren't too expensive to get. * Edit I see your comment on insert, thank you

[ADINVA]

Originally Posted by springer

558 end links are not intended for GMTs. They are for Datejusts and possibly other similar models. Insert is non original.

Non-original means FBI? Fake insert? Beautify by artificially ageing? Incorrect period?

[springer]

Originally Posted by ADINVA

Non-original means FBI? Fake insert? Beautify by artificially ageing? Incorrect period?

Sorry, but you totally lost me.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by springer

Sorry, but you totally lost me.

I think he means, in what manner is it non-original.
1. It’s authentic and correct for the period but artificially aged.
2. It’s authentic but the wrong period (later) for the watch
3. Altogether a fake insert.

[alwayshere]

Looking at the pics again, usually with lug hole cases, the endlinks won't have a opening like those in your photos so the endlinks, per what JP is saying, is likely not right for this watch (are you sure its 558 not 558B?). Though saying that, the 558 go with 78360s which are bracelets that are commonly found on the GMT.

also think JP is saying the insert is aftermarket.

[16710Guy]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

Looking at the pics again, usually with lug hole cases, the endlinks won't have a opening like those in your photos so the endlinks, per what JP is saying, is likely not right for this watch (are you sure its 558 not 558B?). Though saying that, the 558 go with 78360s which are bracelets that are commonly found on the GMT.

also think JP is saying the insert is aftermarket.

Thanks I missed his insert comment. Bummer. From zooming in I don't see a B on the endlink but the bracket is a 78360

[Dan S]

I don't think you can change your username ... just sayin'.

[16710Guy]

Originally Posted by Dan S

I don't think you can change your username ... just sayin'.

Not a big deal to me but thank you

[TuRo]

respectamundo

Originally Posted by Dan S

I don't think you can change your username ... just sayin'.

[16710Guy]

If all is right with this one, minus the insert which we know is aftermarket. Excellent condition with box no papers would you pay 11.5k TTL and find a correct insert down the road.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by 16710Guy

If all is right with this one, minus the insert which we know is aftermarket. Excellent condition with box no papers would you pay 11.5k TTL and find a correct insert down the road.

Perhaps (vaguely ballpark), but if a dealer/private is selling a watch with a fake insert why is that/have they the expertise to check the rest - often there is no smoke without fire, if you get my drift ?

As such if something is not original like insert/end link/crown, then take extra care to check the rest....i.e. the engravings both ends (case back too if poss), bracelet blade engravings, check the dial is correct for 700, and also not a service Tritinova (T25 service dial fitted from 1999-2006 - that is in fact luminova not tritium, and they lume up very green).

Oh, and finally check the movt is legit/the correct one too.

[16710Guy]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Perhaps (vaguely ballpark), but if a dealer/private is selling a watch with a fake insert why is that/have they the expertise to check the rest - often there is no smoke without fire, if you get my drift ?

As such if something is not original like insert/end link/crown, then take extra care to check the rest....i.e. the engravings both ends (case back too if poss), bracelet blade engravings, check the dial is correct for 700, and also not a service Tritinova (T25 service dial fitted from 1999-2006 - that is in fact luminova not tritium, and they lume up very green).

Oh, and finally check the movt is legit/the correct one too.

Thank you, I may move away from this dealer and be more diligent about the rest.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Dan S

I don't think you can change your username ... just sayin'.

I think he can….just sayin’.

[16710Guy]

Alright.. apparently they use stock photos which is good because the endlinks on the correct one are 501B. Here is a photo of the dial and insert.. will receive photos of the movement tomorrow as the main guy is out until tomorrow.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by 16710Guy

Alright.. apparently they use stock photos which is good because the endlinks on the correct one are 501B. Here is a photo of the dial and insert.. will receive photos of the movement tomorrow as the main guy is out until tomorrow.

Originally Posted by 16710Guy

Some More.. thoughts?

Using stock photos is a huge red flag, especially on a watch that's at least a quarter of a century old. I don't even like it when stock photos are used on brand new modern Rolexes.

That issue aside, the case on the actual 16700 for sale is way over-polished. The crown guards are little nubs and the lugs are thin, with at least one concave lug hole (the only one visible in the photos). Big pass for me at any price.

Good 16700s are not hard to find. I'd keep looking. (A full set with great patina and a nice faded insert was listed on the forum just yesterday, although the hands are color-matched, if that bothers you.)

[zapokee]

Stock photos?? I'd be running and screaming with my hands in the air.

[karleone]

Originally Posted by swish77

using stock photos is a huge red flag, especially on a watch that's at least a quarter of a century old. I don't even like it when stock photos are used on brand new modern rolexes.

That issue aside, the case on the actual 16700 for sale is way over-polished. The crown guards are little nubs and the lugs are thin, with at least one concave lug hole (the only one visible in the photos). Big pass for me at any price.

Good 16700s are not hard to find. I'd keep looking. (a full set with great patina and a nice faded insert was listed on the forum just yesterday, although the hands are color-matched, if that bothers you.)

+1

[16710Guy]

Some More.. thoughts?

[karleone]

Originally Posted by 16710Guy

Some More.. thoughts?

The watch is over polished. The brushing on lugs is nothing near Rolex Factory. The lugs are thin plus it’s so polished that the springbars get out of the lug holes. The chamfers are gone too. Finally the insert is a servcie insert (that’s not a big deal vs the over polishing but good to be aware). It’s a hard pass for me

[16710Guy]

It is realistic to hold out for something that's mostly pristine or just deal with patina/scratches/ not polished since these watches are 20+ years old. I look a good patina, I just don't want something that's been scratched to hell or over polished but if I am spending this type of money I want something that has all the correct parts or at the very least all the correct big parts and a I can source a insert later.. something like that. May not be a question that can be answered since everyone is different but I wouldn't mind some opinions. I'm in the 10-12k range.

[shammad10]

I'd move on mate. That is not the watch you want.
One thing that I learnt here is that I needed to be patient and learn about the watches and what to look for and not to look for.

You are not after a rare watch. Be patient and a decent example will come up.

[16710Guy]

Originally Posted by shammad10

I'd move on mate. That is not the watch you want.
One thing that I learnt here is that I needed to be patient and learn about the watches and what to look for and not to look for.

You are not after a rare watch. Be patient and a decent example will come up.

I appreciate it. Looks like I have another prospect.

[shammad10]

Double post

[16710Guy]

Ok gurus, I appreciate all your help on this journey. I've been offered a "swiss" only U7 series.. see anything on this that jumps out? Being a "Swiss" only and luminova.. this won't patina will it? I actually prefer that the watch I get does..

[karleone]

Originally Posted by 16710Guy

Ok gurus, I appreciate all your help on this journey. I've been offered a "swiss" only U7 series.. see anything on this that jumps out? Being a "Swiss" only and luminova.. this won't patina will it? I actually prefer that the watch I get does..

This one is over polished too. Look at the lugs. The grain on the brushing is quite bad like the other one. If they both come from the same dealer you should look for another one… There are plenty of reliable and serious dealers. I see you are in the US I look into tropicalwatch or fogcityvintage.