904L Stickers on Bracelet?

[trichard3000]

Looking at a “never worn” but unauthenticated Daytona (with box) that has stickers. However, the stickers on the bracelet read 904L in red, several places along the bracelet. I’ve looked online for similar pictures and all I can find are bracelet stickers with red bars.

“Red flag” jokes aside, did new Rolex SS bracelets ever read 904L?

Thanks!

[GGGMT]

How bout a pic but not aware of labeled stickies. Sounds fake a rooney as eff to me.


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[trichard3000]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

How bout a pic but not aware of labeled stickies. Sounds fake a rooney as eff to me.

Here are some pics. Best I can do. If it’s fake, it’s a decent fake. Not sure what else to look for to confirm. Everything else seems pretty good.

[Timetaker34]

Originally Posted by trichard3000

Here are some pics. Best I can do. If it’s fake, it’s a decent fake. Not sure what else to look for to confirm. Everything else seems pretty good.

Pretty obvious fake. The rehaut looks all wrong, these stickers are only on fakes and the Rolex crown is weird as hell. I’m not even into Daytonas but man..

[GGGMT]

To me that looks nasty. I’d never buy that. The stickers are ridiculous. I’m assuming under market price?


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[trichard3000]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

To me that looks nasty. I’d never buy that. The stickers are ridiculous. I’m assuming under market price?

Estate sale type listing. I agree that it’s 99.9% likely to be fake. Not even being represented as authentic, only "authenticity unknown.” Was thinking about offering a couple hundred on a gamble. Pics are always hard to get right so I never base anything on the look of finish, etc. Agreed that the “hole” in the crown seems a bit too circular, but that could be the angle.

Really, I think the stickers may be the most obvious tell.

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by trichard3000

it’s 99.9% likely to be fake. Not even being represented as authentic, only "authenticity unknown.” the stickers may be the most obvious tell.

Then what’s the point and why in the world are we even talking this?


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[trichard3000]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

Then what’s the point and why in the world are we even talking this?

Because I’m learning what to look for and I really never came across the sticker issue before, so I just wanted to confirm my suspicions.

On the other hand, if they have a real one and didn’t know it, it’s the pick-up of the decade! 🤣

Thanks for the help.

[Dom9]

The stickers always indicate a fake as the fakers are proud of using 904L and charge a premium for it where, of course, Rolex don't need to make a song and dance of it all.

[trichard3000]

Originally Posted by Dom9

The stickers always indicate a fake as the fakers are proud of using 904L and charge a premium for it where, of course, Rolex don't need to make a song and dance of it all.

Makes sense. Wasn’t sure if 904L stickers were ever used but sounds like the consensus is no.

[thesharkfactor]

Not even a good fake.

[PRSWILL]

it's definitely a fake - lots of tells. walk away

[trichard3000]

Originally Posted by PRSWILL

it's definitely a fake - lots of tells. walk away

For reference and educational purposes, what tells do you see? 904L stickers are an obvious one. Maybe the crown is off? What else?

Thanks!

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by trichard3000

For reference and educational purposes, what tells do you see? 904L stickers are an obvious one. Maybe the crown is off? What else?

Thanks!

OP please read rule 5. This isn’t the forum to discuss ‘tells’ and other aspects of fakes. The watch in question is fake, but it seems like you were 99.9% sure of that when posted.


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[trichard3000]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

OP please read rule 5. This isn’t the forum to discuss ‘tells’ and other aspects of fakes. The watch in question is fake, but it seems like you were 99.9% sure of that when posted.

I believe, “WatchOut!!” is the proper sub-forum to discuss whether or not a watch is fake and why. I assumed this listing was likely fake but I was still hoping otherwise.

Rule #5 on the main, general discussion forum is no discussion of fakes. But here, I’m using rule #6:

6. Any casual allegation that a watch is a 'fake' should be justified otherwise the post may be removed. This should be achieved whilst not going into too much detail, good luck with that :)

I don’t need too much detail but I’m hoping for a bit more justification than simply, "definitely fake, lots of tells.”

I’d like to know more about what details to spot. I’ve looked at other sites and video content about telling fakes but from something as basic as these pics, the only tell that stands out to me is the stickers.

No need to reply, though. If pointing out more tells would take too many details to explain or if this thread has simply run its course, it can fade off into the archives. 😁

Thanks!

[KatGirl]

Counterfeit!

Kat


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[trichard3000]

Just for closure… I looked earlier today and bidding was up to $1,050. Didn’t see what the bidding was up to at closing. Glad to have the TRF crew here to help spot the junk.

Thanks all!

[Laostuh]

Those stickers only ever come on "replacement bracelets" from aliexpress or amazon. I would avoid this watch like the plague. Not only that. It looks like a deep dish pizza.

[bay_area_kid]

On the other hand, if they have a real one and didn’t know it, it’s the pick-up of the decade!

If regular Rolex enthusiasts in this forum can easily tell it's a fake, why would you think the specialists in estate sales wouldn't know how to spot a fake version of the most popular model of the world's most popular watch brand?

[trichard3000]

Originally Posted by bay_area_kid

If regular Rolex enthusiasts in this forum can easily tell it's a fake, why would you think the specialists in estate sales wouldn't know how to spot a fake version of the most popular model of the world's most popular watch brand?

For Rolex, I’d trust the WIS crowd here over any regular estate sale operator. I dabble in a few kinds of collectibles and I find that sale people are typically more about moving everything quickly, than they are about maximizing the profit from any given item. I’ve found plenty of “they didn’t know what they had” kinds of deals, particularly when finding out what they have takes reaching out to other experts.

That being said, I figured this was most likely a bust but was just looking for better eyes to confirm it. Someone ended up paying >$1,000 for this piece. I’m happy it wasn’t me.

[bay_area_kid]

Originally Posted by trichard3000

I dabble in a few kinds of collectibles and I find that sale people are typically more about moving everything quickly, than they are about maximizing the profit from any given item. I’ve found plenty of “they didn’t know what they had” kinds of deals

You can't compare the collectible world with Rolex.

A Rolex is so iconic that it is very unlikely someone will ignore it and just dump it into the "unauthenticated" pile of an estate sale. It is not like a stamp collection or a box of beanie babies.

People who don't know anything about luxury watches are still aware of what Rolex represents. This is why we get so many people creating new accounts in this forum just for another "is this real?" post.

Someone ended up paying >$1,000 for this piece.

Which is precisely why these estate sales have items listed as "authenticity unknown" even though those items have certainly been checked out already. You even said you were willing to throw away $200 for the chance to get the item in your hands.

This scam has been around forever. What they used to do is they grab a bunch of fakes and place "estate sale", "government auction", or "police seized property" signs all over the city advertising Pateks/Rolexes. During the sale, they play dumb the entire time ("Yeah, I really don't know what it is but it sure is pretty huh?"), and play up other people's intelligence ("Oh, you recognize this one? What did you call it again? A Day-toh-nah chron-o-graph? Sorry, I'm sure I butchered the name, haha! That's a hard word to pronounce, you must be so smart!"). Then they sit back and watch the money come in from suckers who think they're smarter than the "dumb" salespeople.

When the sale is over, they relocate to another city and do it all over again.

Nowadays, those con artists just use the internet to run the same old scams.

[trichard3000]

Originally Posted by bay_area_kid

You can't compare the collectible world with Rolex.

A Rolex is so iconic that it is very unlikely someone will ignore it and just dump it into the "unauthenticated" pile of an estate sale. It is not like a stamp collection or a box of beanie babies.

People who don't know anything about luxury watches are still aware of what Rolex represents. This is why we get so many people creating new accounts in this forum just for another "is this real?" post.



Which is precisely why these estate sales have items listed as "authenticity unknown" even though those items have certainly been checked out already. You even said you were willing to throw away $200 for the chance to get the item in your hands.

This scam has been around forever. What they used to do is they grab a bunch of fakes and place "estate sale", "government auction", or "police seized property" signs all over the city advertising Pateks/Rolexes. During the sale, they play dumb the entire time ("Yeah, I really don't know what it is but it sure is pretty huh?"), and play up other people's intelligence ("Oh, you recognize this one? What did you call it again? A Day-toh-nah chron-o-graph? Sorry, I'm sure I butchered the name, haha! That's a hard word to pronounce, you must be so smart!"). Then they sit back and watch the money come in from suckers who think they're smarter than the "dumb" salespeople.

When the sale is over, they relocate to another city and do it all over again.

Nowadays, those con artists just use the internet to run the same old scams.

With you on all points. The auction sign scam people do it in my city too.

This particular sale was more junky than scammy. It didn’t trigger my radar from an overall sale point of view. This was the only watch or even “luxury” item listed. I think the original owner just had this in their stuff. I agree that the sale people probably didn’t think it was real.

If the crew here would’ve said, “maybe,” I might’ve rolled the dice with a couple hundred on it.

All things considered, I’m chalking this up as another helpful win by TEAM TRF. 😁

[bay_area_kid]

Originally Posted by trichard3000

This was the only watch or even “luxury” item listed. I think the original owner just had this in their stuff.

Ah, that makes more sense now. I agree that would probably be the only scenario I'd consider where the chances of finding a genuine Daytona becomes realistic, albeit still very small and some may argue still not worth it.

[Andad]

That is a mess.