Can a Rolex watch's papers be replaced?

[yakmeister]

Looking at a pre-owned watch on a respected site that has no box or papers. I know that you can buy a box, but what about the papers? Will Rolex re-issue them?

[Rolex1982]

No they will not. You get a service card with 2 years warranty after you service the watch at a RSC. But the official card won’t be replaced.

[0nly5iv3Digits]

No. Service card, yes. Original papers - no

[swils8610]

Nope.


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[Andad]

See post 2.

[kopi-c]

Originally Posted by yakmeister

Looking at a pre-owned watch on a respected site that has no box or papers. I know that you can buy a box, but what about the papers? Will Rolex re-issue them?

I would say many older watches, prob will not come with box and/ or papers.

If the pre owned watch is a good deal, then, papers or box would not matter.

[996marty]

As others have mentioned it’s a no on the replacement of the papers. If you could replace them people would have done it to reflect in value any watch they own and sell

[PenDelicate]

See post 6.

[1William]

I have no issue with buying a watch without box and papers if the price is reflective of that. You must also consider what you will get upon a trade/sale with the watch being without box and papers.

[joli160]

No, that is why watches without papers are a lot cheaper and much more difficult to sell. There are many like myself who will not even consider a watch without original papers.

A service card is nice to have but adds nothing from a collectors perspective. It is also not a guarantee of originality, who knows what has been tampered with after the service by shenanigans

[Gearjockey]

Originally Posted by joli160

No, that is why watches without papers are a lot cheaper and much more difficult to sell. There are many like myself who will not even consider a watch without original papers.

A service card is nice to have but adds nothing from a collectors perspective. It is also not a guarantee of originality, who knows what has been tampered with after the service by shenanigans

What about a white tag?

Are they much more difficult to sell?

Would you consider a watch without a white tag?

[joli160]

Originally Posted by Gearjockey

What about a white tag?

Are they much more difficult to sell?

Would you consider a watch without a white tag?

Yes, lots of AD’s don’t give the white tag anymore so it makes it hard to find for new watches.
Only for some watches the white tag may be important if it has dial information on it i.e the celebration dial if I am not mistaken.
That one is so often faked I would want to have that extra bit of provenance if buying second hand.
For your regular Sub, GMT, Daytona etc it doesn’t matter.

Padi is of course totally right in his comments, but we are all wired differently.
Original papers etc are just nice to have and these are valued by lots of people.
Kind of like the history and service records of a classic car.

If you don’t mind about those you should get a good deal on a naked watch

[Gearjockey]

Originally Posted by joli160

Yes, lots of AD’s don’t give the white tag anymore so it makes it hard to find for new watches.
Only for some watches the white tag may be important if it has dial information on it i.e the celebration dial if I am not mistaken.
That one is so often faked I would want to have that extra bit of provenance if buying second hand.
For your regular Sub, GMT, Daytona etc it doesn’t matter.

Padi is of course totally right in his comments, but we are all wired differently.
Original papers etc are just nice to have and these are valued by lots of people.
Kind of like the history and service records of a classic car.

If you don’t mind about those you should get a good deal on a naked watch

I hear you, but I pretty much only care about the white tag. Ever since somebody pointed it out earlier, I’ve become fixated on it and now I’m trying to find one for my watch so that I can make it a full set. I don’t know if the bezel protector means anything…?

When I was shopping my sub-date, one of the “trusted sellers” here asked if it had a white tag and tried to beat me up on the price, due to it’s lacking.

[Sublovin]

Originally Posted by joli160

No, that is why watches without papers are a lot cheaper and much more difficult to sell. There are many like myself who will not even consider a watch without original papers.

A service card is nice to have but adds nothing from a collectors perspective. It is also not a guarantee of originality, who knows what has been tampered with after the service by shenanigans

Respectfully, this makes ZERO sense. You don’t think a watch with original paperwork can be tampered with? Don’t you realize that the world of counterfeiters have figured out how to make a fake watch they can fake paperwork?
An original certificate or card means nothing in terms of authenticity or lack of tampering.

[joli160]

Originally Posted by Sublovin

Respectfully, this makes ZERO sense. You don’t think a watch with original paperwork can be tampered with? Don’t you realize that the world of counterfeiters have figured out how to make a fake watch they can fake paperwork?
An original certificate or card means nothing in terms of authenticity or lack of tampering.

Yes Sir, that is totally correct.
I never stated that papers are a guarantee for originality.
Any second hand watch must be examined on its own regardless papers or not.

It’s just that most people like to have them.
That may not make sense to others which is fine of course.
Still the market dictates a significant mark up for original papers.

The relatively new cards with the NFC chip are giving the shenanigans a challenge I believe.

[padi56]

Well these so called paper's especially the paper ones are far easier to fake that the watches and over the past 25 years seen quite a few that would fool many today.But many are willing to pay extra for so called papers which in most cases are just a outdated warranty and don't always prove authenticity of any watch.

[Apdl]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well these so called paper's especially the paper ones are far easier to fake that the watches and over the past 25 years seen quite a few that would fool many today. But many are willing to pay extra for so called papers which in most cases are just a outdated warranty and don't always prove authenticity of any watch.

I 100% agree with this, I get the appeal but there is little value to these original papers outside of the initial warranty.

[Guppydriver]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well these so called paper's especially the paper ones are far easier to fake that the watches and over the past 25 years seen quite a few that would fool many today.But many are willing to pay extra for so called papers which in most cases are just a outdated warranty and don't always prove authenticity of any watch.

Truth.

I've found the discount you get is commensurate to the hit you take if you decide to sell. Sixes.

If I can find a steal (not literally) on a model without papers (particularly an older model, say a 16570) from a seller who guarantees authenticity, I'll bite.

I'll literally just budget in a RSC service and then receive a back a watch with a two year warranty and proven authenticity. All while still saving tons of $$$.

[Marcjvr]

See post 8

[ltmgeller]

You can get service papers as mentioned above. You may be also able to call the original AD if you kn ow it to see if they can get them.

[brandrea]

What reference are you considering Leon?

[thesharkfactor]

See post 12

[yakmeister]

Brandrea, a 268655 rose gold yacht master

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by yakmeister

Brandrea, a 268655 rose gold yacht master

Very nice

I bet one of the trusted sellers here could source one for you right quick, with the full kit

[dchang81]

This thread reminds me of Porsche forums discussing deviated stitching instead about driving the car. Full leather seems to be the most important option

[worldofoyster]

unfortunately, no

[ajmacke]

No, they won't. After servicing your watch at a Rolex Service Center (RSC), you receive a service card with a two-year warranty. However, the official card won't be replaced.


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[ijoinedforthisthread]

No they won't. I had the card for my Hulk stolen in a home break-in and enquired at the time.

Meanwhile, Vacheron replaced my box and warranty card, even sent me spare links that were stolen.