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Strut99GT · 3 January 2010, 08:29 AM

How do you know which dials come with the roulette date wheel (red, black alternating date). It seems like some do, some don't. Is there a list somewhere?

The GMT Master · 3 January 2010, 08:31 AM

There's no set "norm", it's complete luck of the draw when it comes to Roulettes, much like the game it's named

Strut99GT · 3 January 2010, 08:42 AM

Seriously?! It's purely random????? For example, all white dial DJs I've seen have roulette wheels. All champagne dials do not, etc. I thought it varied per dial.

The GMT Master · 3 January 2010, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Strut99GT

Seriously?! It's purely random????? For example, all white dial DJs I've seen have roulette wheels. All champagne dials do not, etc. I thought it varied per dial.

Well, at the AD I work, I've seen various dials have the roulette, and identical ones don't. It's very odd

spuds · 3 January 2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

Well, at the AD I work, I've seen various dials have the roulette, and identical ones don't. It's very odd

well i never knew that Boss!!!!

Strut99GT · 3 January 2010, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

Well, at the AD I work, I've seen various dials have the roulette, and identical ones don't. It's very odd

But isn't that because whether the watch has it is decided by serial letter? One time I was in an AD and they busted out the "current book of everything," and they had an asterisk where the dial came with roulette or not. I was just wondering whether that could be found online :)

sea-dweller · 3 January 2010, 11:42 AM

My white 116200 does not, so I think it's random...

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Originally Posted by Strut99GT

Seriously?! It's purely random????? For example, all white dial DJs I've seen have roulette wheels. All champagne dials do not, etc. I thought it varied per dial.

Strut99GT · 3 January 2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sea-dweller

My white 116200 does not, so I think it's random...

But that's all stainless, right? It's not just the dial, it's the dial on certain watches. So a white dial on a rose/stainless DJ has the roulette wheel, but not on the all-stainless DJ. Or maybe you have white roman, and the roulette is only on the white stick dial. The Rolex catalog has all this information, I just can't find a scanned copy anywhere on the 'net!

jets · 3 January 2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Strut99GT

But that's all stainless, right? It's not just the dial, it's the dial on certain watches. So a white dial on a rose/stainless DJ has the roulette wheel, but not on the all-stainless DJ. Or maybe you have white roman, and the roulette is only on the white stick dial. The Rolex catalog has all this information, I just can't find a scanned copy anywhere on the 'net!

I may be visiting my AD tomorrow. If I do then I will take a photo of his catalog page because that is where I saw it myself.

jets · 3 January 2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sea-dweller

My white 116200 does not, so I think it's random...

Could be the age of the watch.

Rolesium · 9 January 2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sea-dweller

My white 116200 does not, so I think it's random...

Odd, my white 116200 *does* have the roulette date. Mine's the white dial with sticks. I rather like the splash of color every other day.

jets · 3 January 2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

There's no set "norm", it's complete luck of the draw when it comes to Roulettes, much like the game it's named

That is not correct. The roulette date wheel is available depending on the dial that is chosen. There are scans here on the forum of all the DJ dials from Rolex catalogs. There is a list at the beginning of the DateJust section. The dial names that have an asterisk beside them are the dials that come with a roulette wheel. I remembered that no Diamond dial is available with the roulette for example but most concentric and tuxedo dials like mine do. Also, none of the Lady DJs come with it either.

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

Well, at the AD I work, I've seen various dials have the roulette, and identical ones don't. It's very odd

My guess is that someone came in a requested a specific dial choice and the roulette wheel was left in when it wasn't supposed to or vice versa. Some Rolex staff I've dealt with in the past were not even aware of the distinction or knowledge of the alternating dial.

Strut99GT · 3 January 2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jets

That is not correct. The roulette date wheel is available depending on the dial that is chosen. There are scans here on the forum of all the DJ dials from Rolex catalogs. There is a list at the beginning of the DateJust section. The dial names that have an asterisk beside them are the dials that come with a roulette wheel. I remembered that no Diamond dial is available with the roulette for example but most concentric and tuxedo dials like mine do. Also, none of the Lady DJs come with it either.

Can you point me in the direction of where I can find this? I haven't found it with a search. This page:

http://www.oysterworld.de/1/index.htm

...has every dial for every model, but in the DateJust section I don't see any asterisks next to anything.

Strut99GT · 3 January 2010, 11:14 AM

Btw, the one I'm curious about is whether the silver stick dial has the roulette wheel.

C. Davidson · 3 January 2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

There's no set "norm", it's complete luck of the draw when it comes to Roulettes, much like the game it's named

True.

I've seen exactly the same models that have either the all black date wheel or the Red/Black date wheel. It depends on how the AD ordered them. There is no set rule to this one.

Strut99GT · 4 January 2010, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by C. Davidson

True.

I've seen exactly the same models that have either the all black date wheel or the Red/Black date wheel. It depends on how the AD ordered them. There is no set rule to this one.

I have no doubt that if an AD wants to order, say, a rose stick dial with roulette even though it doesn't normally come with it, and vice versa for other dials, they can do so. However, I have seen the Rolex book at ADs, and the roulette wheel comes from the factory with certain dials by default.

All I was looking for was a scan of that book to see what the list is, which maybe I can find later today :)

ttrq01 · 3 January 2010, 12:02 PM

I have a TT 116233 white dial with index markers with a Jubilee that came with a roulette date wheel. This was one of the main reasons I got this watch. The red/black is a nice feature and I can understand why the TOG crowd love this combo.

BTW, isn't the story on the roulette date wheel that during WWII this was used to denote odd/even day rationing in London for gas and other consumer products in short supply?

Rawhyde · 3 January 2010, 03:48 PM

I thought all Turn-O-Graphs had the roulette date wheel.

ttrq01 · 3 January 2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawhyde

I thought all Turn-O-Graphs had the roulette date wheel.

and, all TOG models are pictured with the roulette date wheel: 116264, 116261, and 116263. Also, the only DJ or DJ2 that is shown with a roulette is the 116203. As I posted above, I acquired a BNIB, never-opened 116233 that also has one.

FWIW, the only other model in the catalog pictured with a non-black date wheel is the YG GMTIIC with the black dial (the date wheel is printed in green).

Strut99GT · 3 January 2010, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawhyde

I thought all Turn-O-Graphs had the roulette date wheel.

Nope. All TOGs dates are *all red*, not alternating.

TheVTCGuy · 3 January 2010, 04:47 PM

All I know is that my Daytona doesn't have it...

JJ Irani · 10 January 2010, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

All I know is that my Daytona doesn't have it...

Always a wiseass tosser around when you don't need one!!

The GMT Master · 9 January 2010, 09:06 AM

Just thought I'd bump this, I was able to have a look at the master catalogue today, and, as other members have correctly pointed out, the roulette is available only with certain dials. The full list is:

Black Baton
Black Arabic Concentric
Blue Baton
Blue Arabic Concentric
Pink Baton
Tuxedo Baton
Steel/Silver Baton
White Baton

gt3pilot · 9 January 2010, 09:25 AM

I think there are a few others:

Black Arabic

Black Arabic Jubilee

Blue Arabic Concentric

Silver/Black Baton

Steel Arabic Concentric

White Arabic

disclaimer: the Master catalouge I looked at is a couple years old, but these were on the list then with the Red/Black date wheel.

-Scott B.

The GMT Master · 9 January 2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gt3pilot

I think there are a few others:

Black Arabic

Black Arabic Jubilee

Blue Arabic Concentric

Silver/Black Baton

Steel Arabic Concentric

White Arabic

disclaimer: the Master catalouge I looked at is a couple years old, but these were on the list then with the Red/Black date wheel.

-Scott B.

I took this from the very latest master catalogue, they have taken quite a few dials out though, including the standard black and white arabic dials

metsengland · 29 December 2011, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gt3pilot

I think there are a few others:

Black Arabic

Black Arabic Jubilee

Blue Arabic Concentric

Silver/Black Baton

Steel Arabic Concentric

White Arabic

disclaimer: the Master catalouge I looked at is a couple years old, but these were on the list then with the Red/Black date wheel.

-Scott B.

I have a 116200 black jubilee dial and it has the roulette date wheel.

Also, I've read that if a Rolex has red on it it can be worth more. Something to do with a craze started by red dials in the 1980's or something. Does the roulette date wheel add any extra pre-owned value/less depreciation compared to non roulette Rolex's?

imono · 29 December 2011, 04:41 AM

Here is a detail list from 2008/09 and 2009/10 Master Catalog.
Some Two Tones too have the different color wheel.

Goose · 23 January 2012, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by imono

Here is a detail list from 2008/09 and 2009/10 Master Catalog.
Some Two Tones too have the different color wheel.

Thank you for taking the time and effort to post. Accurate data w/ pics is so appreciated by me, and certainly others, imono.

I've always wanted a Tuxedo or Concentric w/ Roulette.
If I ever go all SS DJ, that's the look for me.
Always been a TT DJ WIS. However, as I covet the watches I pictured on this forum, the more I think I "need" to have that watch. So...my statement should be "when", not "if" ;)

Anyway, mahalo & aloha.

Andrew001 · 9 July 2018, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by imono

Here is a detail list from 2008/09 and 2009/10 Master Catalog.
Some Two Tones too have the different color wheel.

Thanks for posting this. Very usefull !

spuds · 10 January 2010, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

Just thought I'd bump this, I was able to have a look at the master catalogue today, and, as other members have correctly pointed out, the roulette is available only with certain dials. The full list is:

Black Baton
Black Arabic Concentric
Blue Baton
Blue Arabic Concentric
Pink Baton
Tuxedo Baton
Steel/Silver Baton
White Baton

Great info' thankyou......

So can a roulette (or even 'all red'?) date wheel be ordered witrh a black faced/white baton DJII &/or Blue Arabic (on Rhodium)??

3 January 2010, 08:29 AM	#1
Strut99GT Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Benbrook, TX Posts: 410	Random question: which DateJusts have the roulette date wheel? How do you know which dials come with the roulette date wheel (red, black alternating date). It seems like some do, some don't. Is there a list somewhere?

3 January 2010, 12:02 PM	#17
ttrq01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA Watch: GMT BLNR; SS SkyD Posts: 72	I have a TT 116233 white dial with index markers with a Jubilee that came with a roulette date wheel. This was one of the main reasons I got this watch. The red/black is a nice feature and I can understand why the TOG crowd love this combo. BTW, isn't the story on the roulette date wheel that during WWII this was used to denote odd/even day rationing in London for gas and other consumer products in short supply? Last edited by ttrq01; 3 January 2010 at 12:17 PM.. Reason: fix spelling

29 December 2011, 04:41 AM	#27
imono "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: USA Posts: 3,241	Here is a detail list from 2008/09 and 2009/10 Master Catalog. Some Two Tones too have the different color wheel. Attached Images

3 January 2010, 08:31 AM	#2
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	There's no set "norm", it's complete luck of the draw when it comes to Roulettes, much like the game it's named

3 January 2010, 08:42 AM	#3
Strut99GT Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Benbrook, TX Posts: 410	Seriously?! It's purely random????? For example, all white dial DJs I've seen have roulette wheels. All champagne dials do not, etc. I thought it varied per dial.

3 January 2010, 11:14 AM	#14
Strut99GT Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Benbrook, TX Posts: 410	Btw, the one I'm curious about is whether the silver stick dial has the roulette wheel.

3 January 2010, 03:48 PM	#18
Rawhyde Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Craig Location: NW Georgia Watch: Blue Sub+Tud Chron Posts: 834	I thought all Turn-O-Graphs had the roulette date wheel.

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TheVTCGuy Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Paul Location: San Diego Watch: 126619LB Posts: 21,540	All I know is that my Daytona doesn't have it...

9 January 2010, 09:06 AM	#23
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	Just thought I'd bump this, I was able to have a look at the master catalogue today, and, as other members have correctly pointed out, the roulette is available only with certain dials. The full list is: Black Baton Black Arabic Concentric Blue Baton Blue Arabic Concentric Pink Baton Tuxedo Baton Steel/Silver Baton White Baton

9 January 2010, 09:25 AM	#24
gt3pilot "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Scott Location: Indiana Watch: this Posts: 537	I think there are a few others: Black Arabic Black Arabic Jubilee Blue Arabic Concentric Silver/Black Baton Steel Arabic Concentric White Arabic disclaimer: the Master catalouge I looked at is a couple years old, but these were on the list then with the Red/Black date wheel. -Scott B.

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