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clubsta · 30 January 2010, 04:09 AM

Been reading on the forum that Bergeon Tools are the best out there. I know that the 6825 and 6111 are good for removing the bracelets. Are there any other tools I should invest in? Is there a tool available to safely remove the bezel to switch inserts?

ParisDakarBmw · 30 January 2010, 04:12 AM

My screwdrivers are awesome!

JJ Irani · 30 January 2010, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

My screwdrivers are awesome!

So are my Bloody Marys!!

Tools · 30 January 2010, 04:24 AM

Bergeon is an excellent toolmaker.. Rolex bought into the company a few years back to ensure that the quality of their tools would stay at a standard they felt was necessary for their own watchmakers and tool rooms..

But there are other toolmakers...

Get yourself a decent case knife.. The blade is not sharp and nicely curved to avoid scratches when prying it under the bezel.

They make a good hand spanner caseback opener, although I prefere the stability of the LG vice mounted model.

If you choose the 6111 spring-bar tool, get an extra fork (they are replaceble)

get some good tweezers if you have big hands like me..

Don't forget the parts are small.......... a good monocle loupe or visor..

ersnyder · 30 January 2010, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Bergeon is an excellent toolmaker.. Rolex bought into the company a few years back to ensure that the quality of their tools would stay at a standard they felt was necessary for their own watchmakers and tool rooms..

But there are other toolmakers...

Get yourself a decent case knife.. The blade is not sharp and nicely curved to avoid scratches when prying it under the bezel.

They make a good hand spanner caseback opener, although I prefere the stability of the LG vice mounted model.

If you choose the 6111 spring-bar tool, get an extra fork (they are replaceble)

get some good tweezers if you have big hands like me..

Don't forget the parts are small.......... a good monocle loupe or visor..

Thanks for the good tips Larry!

nickriebe · 26 May 2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

My screwdrivers are awesome!

clubsta · 30 January 2010, 04:36 AM

Sounds good, do you know if they also make case knives? Also, if I purchase the 6825 tool do I also need the 6111 tool?

Tools · 30 January 2010, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by clubsta

Sounds good, do you know if they also make case knives? Also, if I purchase the 6825 tool do I also need the 6111 tool?

Bergeon case knife is #4932..

I'm not a fan of the 6825 spring-bar tool.. It is awkward and time consuming to set up and it can't be used for anything else.. It's even more awkward for clasps so the 6111 (or similar) is much more user friendly..

As mentioned though..if you choose the 6825, ensure you get the fine tips (6825 PF) for use on a Rolex..

PeterT · 30 January 2010, 05:15 AM

Thr Bergeon 6825 PF is the one to go for if you really want one. But...... it will not work on all Rolex watches without filing the very fine points even finer.
eg the PF will compress the spring bar from a 16610 or 16710 with an oyster bracelet but if the 16710 has the jubilee it needs filing. It needs the filed points for a SD, even with the oyster bracelet.
I actually think that you have more control with the ordinary Bergeon spring bar tool as you are only watching one side of the end link at a time. With the 6825 you need to be watching both sides at the same time. Very fiddly, especially if you are having to use the filed points.
Peter

phelix_da_kat · 1 February 2010, 12:44 PM

Hi.

Would these be the recommended screwdriver for the oyster bracelets? (Bergeon 160)

http://www.watchtool.co.uk/bergeon-s...et-p-6747.html

OR

http://www.watchtool.co.uk/bergeon-s...et-p-6564.html

Thanks all.

Tools · 1 February 2010, 01:24 PM

Either of those would work fine and it's nice that they include extra blades... 1.6mm is correct for Mens Oysters...but there are other size screws in other bracelet types ..............

David Woo · 1 February 2010, 01:49 PM

If you want to open them up, the 5700 is invaluable.
DW

phelix_da_kat · 2 February 2010, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Either of those would work fine and it's nice that they include extra blades... 1.6mm is correct for Mens Oysters...but there are other size screws in other bracelet types ..............

Thanks!

dalip · 26 May 2010, 10:29 AM

Wanted to revive is thread which has been fantastically useful...thanks Larry!

I have another question regarding replacing the insert on the 16710

I have the coke insert...pepsi is currently on.

If I want to change it do I need to get hold of another bezel and attach the coke insert to that...then with the case knife it's just a matter of removing the bezel each time? Or do you change the insert...which seems tricky?

My AD was not very helpful on these points!! And if it is a matter of getting another bezel where do I source one?

Thanks!

Saxon007 · 26 May 2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dalip

If I want to change it do I need to get hold of another bezel and attach the coke insert to that...then with the case knife it's just a matter of removing the bezel each time? Or do you change the insert...which seems tricky?

Jocke's Academy of Bezel Swapping

http://www.vikbobil.se/bezel.html

dalip · 26 May 2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Saxon007

Jocke's Academy of Bezel Swapping

http://www.vikbobil.se/bezel.html

Thanks mate

Just found it...

All answered...my AD could have explained that...

Right...now to get the tool and have some fun

nickriebe · 26 May 2010, 11:23 AM

could someone pm me and let me know what tools i need to get the scratches off my band and to remove the band from my Explorer II? thanks!

dardeca · 26 May 2010, 11:48 AM

This maybe a stupid question, but if you have the 6825, do you also need the 6111???

Tools · 26 May 2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dardeca

This maybe a stupid question, but if you have the 6825, do you also need the 6111???

Only you can answer that.......

However, I use a 6111 and have no use for the single tasking and expensive 6825

dalip · 26 May 2010, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Only you can answer that.......

However, I use a 6111 and have no use for the single tasking and expensive 6825

Larry while you're in here....are you recommending the case knife ref 4932 for removing the bezel from a 16710 ?

Tools · 26 May 2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dalip

Larry while you're in here....are you recommending the case knife ref 4932 for removing the bezel from a 16710 ?

Yes, that is an excellent tool for bezels, although it is a little thick if you want to use it for the fluted DJ bezels, etc...

dalip · 26 May 2010, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Yes, that is an excellent tool for bezels, although it is a little thick if you want to use it for the fluted DJ bezels, etc...

Thanks larry

30 January 2010, 04:09 AM	#1
clubsta "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: John Location: New York Watch: Rolex Posts: 223	Bergeon Tools Been reading on the forum that Bergeon Tools are the best out there. I know that the 6825 and 6111 are good for removing the bracelets. Are there any other tools I should invest in? Is there a tool available to safely remove the bezel to switch inserts?

1 February 2010, 01:24 PM	#11
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,515	Either of those would work fine and it's nice that they include extra blades... 1.6mm is correct for Mens Oysters...but there are other size screws in other bracelet types .............. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

26 May 2010, 10:29 AM	#14
dalip "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Dalip Location: Mumbai and Perth Watch: Rolex PAM Omega Posts: 18,656	Wanted to revive is thread which has been fantastically useful...thanks Larry! I have another question regarding replacing the insert on the 16710 I have the coke insert...pepsi is currently on. If I want to change it do I need to get hold of another bezel and attach the coke insert to that...then with the case knife it's just a matter of removing the bezel each time? Or do you change the insert...which seems tricky? My AD was not very helpful on these points!! And if it is a matter of getting another bezel where do I source one? Thanks! __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ *"The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else." George Bernard Shaw*

26 May 2010, 11:23 AM	#17
nickriebe "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Nick Location: 3026'23N 8638'41W Watch: out for pirates! Posts: 692	could someone pm me and let me know what tools i need to get the scratches off my band and to remove the band from my Explorer II? thanks! __________________ ~Nick Riebe~

30 January 2010, 04:12 AM	#2
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	My screwdrivers are awesome!

30 January 2010, 04:24 AM	#4
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,515	Bergeon is an excellent toolmaker.. Rolex bought into the company a few years back to ensure that the quality of their tools would stay at a standard they felt was necessary for their own watchmakers and tool rooms.. But there are other toolmakers... Get yourself a decent case knife.. The blade is not sharp and nicely curved to avoid scratches when prying it under the bezel. They make a good hand spanner caseback opener, although I prefere the stability of the LG vice mounted model. If you choose the 6111 spring-bar tool, get an extra fork (they are replaceble) get some good tweezers if you have big hands like me.. Don't forget the parts are small.......... a good monocle loupe or visor.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

30 January 2010, 04:36 AM	#7
clubsta "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: John Location: New York Watch: Rolex Posts: 223	Sounds good, do you know if they also make case knives? Also, if I purchase the 6825 tool do I also need the 6111 tool?

30 January 2010, 05:15 AM	#9
PeterT "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: England Watch: 16613 16710 16600 Posts: 1,021	Thr Bergeon 6825 PF is the one to go for if you really want one. But...... it will not work on all Rolex watches without filing the very fine points even finer. eg the PF will compress the spring bar from a 16610 or 16710 with an oyster bracelet but if the 16710 has the jubilee it needs filing. It needs the filed points for a SD, even with the oyster bracelet. I actually think that you have more control with the ordinary Bergeon spring bar tool as you are only watching one side of the end link at a time. With the 6825 you need to be watching both sides at the same time. Very fiddly, especially if you are having to use the filed points. Peter

1 February 2010, 12:44 PM	#10
phelix_da_kat "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Watch: 16520 Posts: 351	Hi. Would these be the recommended screwdriver for the oyster bracelets? (Bergeon 160) http://www.watchtool.co.uk/bergeon-s...et-p-6747.html OR http://www.watchtool.co.uk/bergeon-s...et-p-6564.html Thanks all.

1 February 2010, 01:49 PM	#12
David Woo Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: southern Calif Posts: 632	If you want to open them up, the 5700 is invaluable. DW

26 May 2010, 11:48 AM	#18
dardeca 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: US Watch: Rolex, Patek Posts: 2,477	This maybe a stupid question, but if you have the 6825, do you also need the 6111???

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