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Orchi · 14 February 2010, 04:34 AM

Err buddies...a few days ago...
Orchi noticed an eBay listing of 6542 GMT...
Serial number 381XXX dates production to 1958...
which is currently being auctioned by Robert Maron Watches...
with a Buy Now price of USD34,500...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-VINTAGE-GM...item23043654d1

Orchi then pointed the eBay listing of the 6542 GMT out in VRF...
n Orchi opined that the watch has a FAKE Dial...

Subsequently...many experienced collectors n dealers...
would also agree to that fact...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...is+6542-%2B%2B

Since then Orchi was reminded that the eBay Seller company...
is owned by Mr. Robert Maron...
who is currently in charge of Antiquorum Auctioneers...

http://www.google.com.my/url?q=http:...r0Sd7XLhS0fWRA

Nevertheless...on the following day...
a VRF member n Seller...
questioned why Orchi thinks...
the 6542 GMT listed by Robert Maron Watches...
has a FAKE Dial...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...+a+fake+dial+-

Here are the reasons...

1. The earliest Rolex GMT watch model Ref 6542 with No Crown Guards...
which was introduced n produced by Rolex from 1954 until 1959...
NEVER had "OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE" plots under the Coronet...
on its "OCC" Gilt Dial with Chapter Ring...minute track.

Instead...ALL 6542 GMT should only have "OYSTER-PERPETUAL" ...plots under the Coronet.

2. The same 6542 GMT has NEVER had...
the "SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED"...plots.

Instead...it only has "OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED CHRONOMETER" plots...
above the 6 o'clock marker...hence the abbreviation reference of...
"OCC" Gilt Dial...

3. The "OCC" plots would remain synonymous with Ref 6542 GMT...
until the last batch of 6542 GMT production in 1958/59 or so...on Gilt Dial.

Even until Rolex produced in decades later...
the service replacement batch of CR Dials in White plots...
n marked with "SWISS-T<25"...

Here are a few examples Courtesy of VRF Dial Archive...

Posted by Buddy Stephane...

Posted by an Anonymous VRF member...

Posted by Buddy Tomvox1...

Vintage Service Replacement Tritium Dial...
posted by Buddy Seiji...

Modern Service Replacement Luminova Dial...
posted by Buddy Hadoque...

Orchi feels...Lady Casper should pay eBay a visit...
to get the relevant listing...withdrawn ASAP...

Lets lend Lady Casper a helping hand...
what say the TRF Buddies...?

BASSETHOUNDS · 14 February 2010, 04:56 AM

Now we have a "fake spotting" of the major league type . No "wiener" spotting here ! These are the threads I love the most here , you really get history and tech lessons in one . "Orchi"is just something else ! I mean we do not see or hear him that often , but when we do ; he is not there to waste our time . Thank You SIR Orchi

Duc-904 · 14 February 2010, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

Now we have a "fake spotting" of the major league type . No "wiener" spotting here ! These are the threads I love the most here , you really get history and tech lessons in one . "Orchi"is just something else ! I mean we do not see or hear him that often , but when we do ; he is not there to waste our time . Thank You SIR Orchi

X2, great job as usual Orhi!

Safetrends · 14 February 2010, 05:17 AM

WOW this is great information.

Nudged

whcrowder · 14 February 2010, 05:14 AM

I have obtained my vintage rolex lesson for the day! Thank you wise Orchi!

whcrowder · 14 February 2010, 05:16 AM

Upon closed inspection, the date font looks as though is was typed on using a typewriter - and are some of the dates black and some red?

R1@160@alltimes · 14 February 2010, 05:19 AM

Good thread, thanks for sharing buddy Orchi

onkyo · 14 February 2010, 05:22 AM

Great catch Buddy Orchi.... the dial is horribly redone.

The most disappointing part of your thread is that Robert Maron runs Antiquorum.

ps .... This auction should be pulled by eBay but with his reputation I highly doubt that will happen.

BASSETHOUNDS · 14 February 2010, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onkyo

Great catch Buddy Orchi.... the dial is horribly redone.

The most disappointing part of your thread is that Robert Maron runs Antiquorum.

ps .... This auction should be pulled by eBay but with his reputation I highly doubt that will happen.

It is sometimes a battle to get a WIENER pulled from a 0 feedback in Afghanistan . Pigs may fly before we can pull that one . I guess we will have to wake up all the " BIG GUNS " we have here on this one . Dave is excused of course .

Safetrends · 14 February 2010, 05:37 AM

Lets get started guys and girls I got my 2 cents in lets go!

BASSETHOUNDS · 14 February 2010, 05:42 AM

Done , right after I read Orchi's thread . If the Ebay account gets banned or blocked I don't give a dead monkey's .. about it . I don't have one , it's my wife's account I'm using for that anyway

Mosco · 14 February 2010, 06:17 AM

Has anyone tried contacting Robert directly? He is a good guy, from what I hear.

Good eye, Orchi, btw.

onkyo · 14 February 2010, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

Has anyone tried contacting Robert directly? He is a good guy, from what I hear.

Good eye, Orchi, btw.

If no one has.... I will send him an email.

edit.... email sent. I will post his response.

cajunron · 14 February 2010, 09:41 AM

It's 6:40 pm and STILL THERE!

onkyo · 14 February 2010, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgdejong

It's 6:40 pm and STILL THERE!

I don't think this one is going anywhere unless Mr. Maron decides to pull it.

BASSETHOUNDS · 14 February 2010, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onkyo

I don't think this one is going anywhere unless Mr. Maron decides to pull it.

I'm afraid you are right on that one . Maybe someone should contact that man like Greg proposed , we will then soon find out how good of a guy he really is .
I have read some posts and comments on VRF about this person by some very well respected members in the Rolex loving community that suggest that this is not the case .

onkyo · 14 February 2010, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

I'm afraid you are right on that one . Maybe someone should contact that man like Greg proposed , we will then soon find out how good of a guy he really is .
I have read some posts and comments on VRF about this person by some very well respected members in the Rolex loving community that suggest that this is not the case .

I emailed him a few hours ago and nothing yet.

tudorman8276 · 14 February 2010, 10:41 AM

cajunron · 14 February 2010, 10:05 AM

It would seem he would be worried about his reputation!

BASSETHOUNDS · 16 February 2010, 09:07 PM

I would have been the seller that ended it or just ended without bidder .
You can also see that the seller had during the listing altered the description and also changed the return policy to: NO RETURNS ACCEPTED ?

MikeyTX · 16 February 2010, 10:33 PM

No bids .................. Thankfully This silly mess with such a well known seller is not good. Makes me glad we have the re-sellers we do on this forum.

CaveDiver · 17 February 2010, 12:33 PM

Even with what Orchi pointed out, even for an amateur there is red flags that Orchi did not even point out. Sad.. I wonder what he knows about the Mayer dial?

idk01 · 17 February 2010, 06:45 PM

Buddy Orchi, absolutely brilliant detective work.

This has not been relisted, but keep an eye on this one guys

BASSETHOUNDS · 17 February 2010, 06:48 PM

Lets do that . So you can NUKE it as soon it shows it's ugly head again .

Mosco · 18 February 2010, 12:03 AM

I'm honestly surprised... Thought at the least RM would respond to the inquiries.

14 February 2010, 04:34 AM	#1
Orchi Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,934	Robert Maron Watches is listing a Rolex Ref 6542 GMT with a FAKE Dial.. Err buddies...a few days ago... Orchi noticed an eBay listing of 6542 GMT... Serial number 381XXX dates production to 1958... which is currently being auctioned by Robert Maron Watches... with a Buy Now price of USD34,500... http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-VINTAGE-GM...item23043654d1 Orchi then pointed the eBay listing of the 6542 GMT out in VRF... n Orchi opined that the watch has a FAKE Dial... Subsequently...many experienced collectors n dealers... would also agree to that fact... http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...is+6542-%2B%2B Since then Orchi was reminded that the eBay Seller company... is owned by Mr. Robert Maron... who is currently in charge of Antiquorum Auctioneers... http://www.google.com.my/url?q=http:...r0Sd7XLhS0fWRA Nevertheless...on the following day... a VRF member n Seller... questioned why Orchi thinks... the 6542 GMT listed by Robert Maron Watches... has a FAKE Dial... http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...+a+fake+dial+- Here are the reasons... 1. The earliest Rolex GMT watch model Ref 6542 with No Crown Guards... which was introduced n produced by Rolex from 1954 until 1959... NEVER had "OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE" plots under the Coronet... on its "OCC" Gilt Dial with Chapter Ring...minute track. Instead...ALL 6542 GMT should only have "OYSTER-PERPETUAL" ...plots under the Coronet. 2. The same 6542 GMT has NEVER had... the "SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED"...plots. Instead...it only has "OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED CHRONOMETER" plots... above the 6 o'clock marker...hence the abbreviation reference of... "OCC" Gilt Dial... 3. The "OCC" plots would remain synonymous with Ref 6542 GMT... until the last batch of 6542 GMT production in 1958/59 or so...on Gilt Dial. Even until Rolex produced in decades later... the service replacement batch of CR Dials in White plots... n marked with "SWISS-T<25"... Here are a few examples Courtesy of VRF Dial Archive... Posted by Buddy Stephane... Posted by an Anonymous VRF member... Posted by Buddy Tomvox1... Vintage Service Replacement Tritium Dial... posted by Buddy Seiji... Modern Service Replacement Luminova Dial... posted by Buddy Hadoque... Orchi feels...Lady Casper should pay eBay a visit... to get the relevant listing...withdrawn ASAP... Lets lend Lady Casper a helping hand... what say the TRF Buddies...?

14 February 2010, 05:19 AM	#7
R1@160@alltimes "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: ♛ Posts: 4,408	Good thread, thanks for sharing buddy Orchi __________________

14 February 2010, 06:17 AM	#12
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Has anyone tried contacting Robert directly? He is a good guy, from what I hear. Good eye, Orchi, btw. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

14 February 2010, 10:41 AM	#18
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...duly noted TRFers...

16 February 2010, 10:33 PM	#21
MikeyTX "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: Skunk Hollow, TX Watch: Rolex 116613LN Sub Posts: 2,198	No bids .................. Thankfully This silly mess with such a well known seller is not good. Makes me glad we have the re-sellers we do on this forum. __________________ JJ ........... Still missing you bro. May you enjoy the eternal peace the almighty has blessed you with.

14 February 2010, 04:56 AM	#2
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Now we have a "fake spotting" of the major league type . No "wiener" spotting here ! These are the threads I love the most here , you really get history and tech lessons in one . "Orchi"is just something else ! I mean we do not see or hear him that often , but when we do ; he is not there to waste our time . Thank You SIR Orchi

14 February 2010, 05:17 AM	#4
Safetrends Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: David Walz Location: San Diego CA USA Watch: my hand. :) Posts: 9,156	WOW this is great information. Nudged

14 February 2010, 05:14 AM	#5
whcrowder Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Billy Location: Jackson, MS Watch: Rolex Day-Date Posts: 508	I have obtained my vintage rolex lesson for the day! Thank you wise Orchi!

14 February 2010, 05:16 AM	#6
whcrowder Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Billy Location: Jackson, MS Watch: Rolex Day-Date Posts: 508	Upon closed inspection, the date font looks as though is was typed on using a typewriter - and are some of the dates black and some red?

14 February 2010, 05:22 AM	#8
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	Great catch Buddy Orchi.... the dial is horribly redone. The most disappointing part of your thread is that Robert Maron runs Antiquorum. ps .... This auction should be pulled by eBay but with his reputation I highly doubt that will happen.

14 February 2010, 05:37 AM	#10
Safetrends Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: David Walz Location: San Diego CA USA Watch: my hand. :) Posts: 9,156	Lets get started guys and girls I got my 2 cents in lets go!

14 February 2010, 05:42 AM	#11
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Done , right after I read Orchi's thread . If the Ebay account gets banned or blocked I don't give a dead monkey's .. about it . I don't have one , it's my wife's account I'm using for that anyway

14 February 2010, 09:41 AM	#14
cajunron 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Ronnie Location: Southeastern USA Watch: Omega Seamaster PO Posts: 3,872	It's 6:40 pm and STILL THERE!

14 February 2010, 10:05 AM	#19
cajunron 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Ronnie Location: Southeastern USA Watch: Omega Seamaster PO Posts: 3,872	It would seem he would be worried about his reputation!

16 February 2010, 09:07 PM	#20
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	I would have been the seller that ended it or just ended without bidder . You can also see that the seller had during the listing altered the description and also changed the return policy to: NO RETURNS ACCEPTED ?

17 February 2010, 12:33 PM	#22
CaveDiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,075	Even with what Orchi pointed out, even for an amateur there is red flags that Orchi did not even point out. Sad.. I wonder what he knows about the Mayer dial?

17 February 2010, 06:45 PM	#23
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	Buddy Orchi, absolutely brilliant detective work. This has not been relisted, but keep an eye on this one guys __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

17 February 2010, 06:48 PM	#24
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Lets do that . So you can NUKE it as soon it shows it's ugly head again .

18 February 2010, 12:03 AM	#25
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	I'm honestly surprised... Thought at the least RM would respond to the inquiries. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

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