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BASSETHOUNDS · 3 March 2010, 04:40 AM

Has anyone seen one of these before ?
http://cgi.ebay.fr/UNIQUE-RARE-ROLEX...ht_4917wt_1167

1000ftSub · 3 March 2010, 04:41 AM

What the.......

Welshwatchman · 3 March 2010, 05:06 AM

I've seen these before.

It takes a good angle to make them look this dramatic though. Still, quite cool.

I've seen one go for £2800 so this one is a tad pricey.

BASSETHOUNDS · 3 March 2010, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

I've seen these before.

It takes a good angle to make them look this dramatic though. Still, quite cool.

I've seen one go for £2800 so this one is a tad pricey.

Thank you Paul for the info ,
Were they made like that or is it one of those " faulty " things that become collectors like the "Patrizzi dial" with the paint turning brown ?

RLXSTR · 3 March 2010, 05:36 AM

Hmmmm. I actually had a 18K/SS Sub come in a few weeks ago with a black dial and at an angle it looked like a woodgrain finish. I was leary and didn't buy the Rolex even though it had box & papers. It was an "A" serial number.

Note: Didn't buy it as the guy wanted retail for the watch.

Welshwatchman · 3 March 2010, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

Thank you Paul for the info ,
Were they made like that or is it one of those " faulty " things that become collectors like the "Patrizzi dial" with the paint turning brown ?

Certainly a flaw during the manufacturing process or type of material used causing it to crack or "spider" as several other subs/gmt dials are prone to.

harry in montreal · 3 March 2010, 06:56 AM

That is certainly a paint defect also known as crazing. i like weathered black dials - but not on something glossy and new like that. i would be shocked if it commanded a premium. harry

Earl · 3 March 2010, 07:03 AM

I disagree Harry, go out and find more than a fist full I mean it, there are not very many of these dials out there and if there are not many ppl talk about them. I also, have a as you call it crazing I call it crackle but, it's the spider web effect on the dial of my 5513. I had a picture of it and now fail to find it grrrr I'll not get it replaced anytime soon ;-)

stusrt · 3 March 2010, 07:42 AM

I was bidding on a GMT "fat lady" with that spider dial effect a couple years ago.
I stopped at around $3k - forgot what it finally when for.

I think it's a really cool effect

stusrt · 3 March 2010, 07:44 AM

I found it -
this is a perfect example! - same watch from 2 different angles.

http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php...o=261855&rid=0

TheBluePrince · 3 March 2010, 07:48 AM

Cool effect.

Earl · 3 March 2010, 11:41 AM

I just took these with the camera phone but needs natural sun light I thinks... Although you can't see the cracks there are there pretty much like the GMT pictures just posted.. found my snapshot of the crackle!

springer · 3 March 2010, 12:33 PM

There is a buyer for everything!!!

harry in montreal · 3 March 2010, 01:03 PM

hi earl,
the way i look at those, there is a defect in the paint or the maybe the glossy clear. i agree it is interesting, but i would expect it to degrade over time and impact the movement. forgive me, i am in the art business, and i see this all teh time with oil paintings taht were in dry environments, or when the canvas was unstable. anyway, my point is that i like original dials even when dammaged. i would find it very amusing if this brings a premium. harry

Earl · 3 March 2010, 08:50 PM

Fair enough Harry :-)

mcjp6 · 3 March 2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by harry in montreal

the way i look at those, there is a defect in the paint or the maybe the glossy clear.

you are correct, quote from "Mike"

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

The mid 80's references did experience a problem with "spidering" due to a flaw in the paint mixture and many of these dials were replaced. Again Rolex used what was available and certainly maxi dials used at first on 5.5 mil to 6.75ish 5513s were also used as replacement dials.

from thread http://www.rolexforums.com/newreply....eply&p=1344221

Yes, a flaw, but seemingly now collectable.....

esspee1200 · 15 January 2011, 07:45 AM

great effect. i reply here since i just saw a submariner with no date like this in person. it looked a bit old as there was rust on the hands and the dial was a tad faded with a busted cyclops.

any idea what this may fetch now a days? and idea on the year rolex accidentally put these out?

3 March 2010, 04:40 AM	#1
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Rare rolex submariner 5513 spider dial Has anyone seen one of these before ? http://cgi.ebay.fr/UNIQUE-RARE-ROLEX...ht_4917wt_1167 Attached Images

3 March 2010, 05:06 AM	#3
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	I've seen these before. It takes a good angle to make them look this dramatic though. Still, quite cool. I've seen one go for £2800 so this one is a tad pricey. __________________ ..33

3 March 2010, 07:44 AM	#10
stusrt "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: The Motor City Watch: too many Posts: 1,114	Gmt I found it - this is a perfect example! - same watch from 2 different angles. http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php...o=261855&rid=0 Attached Images

3 March 2010, 11:41 AM	#12
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	my 5513 I just took these with the camera phone but needs natural sun light I thinks... Although you can't see the cracks there are there pretty much like the GMT pictures just posted.. found my snapshot of the crackle! Attached Images Last edited by Earl; 4 March 2010 at 01:19 AM..

3 March 2010, 12:33 PM	#13
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	There is a buyer for everything!!! __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

3 March 2010, 04:41 AM	#2
1000ftSub "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Mike Location: Orlando Posts: 2,471	What the.......

3 March 2010, 05:36 AM	#5
RLXSTR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Donald Location: Texas Watch: Sub5513 / Choc1675 Posts: 826	Hmmmm. I actually had a 18K/SS Sub come in a few weeks ago with a black dial and at an angle it looked like a woodgrain finish. I was leary and didn't buy the Rolex even though it had box & papers. It was an "A" serial number. Note: Didn't buy it as the guy wanted retail for the watch.

3 March 2010, 06:56 AM	#7
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	That is certainly a paint defect also known as crazing. i like weathered black dials - but not on something glossy and new like that. i would be shocked if it commanded a premium. harry

3 March 2010, 07:03 AM	#8
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	I disagree Harry, go out and find more than a fist full I mean it, there are not very many of these dials out there and if there are not many ppl talk about them. I also, have a as you call it crazing I call it crackle but, it's the spider web effect on the dial of my 5513. I had a picture of it and now fail to find it grrrr I'll not get it replaced anytime soon ;-)

3 March 2010, 07:42 AM	#9
stusrt "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: The Motor City Watch: too many Posts: 1,114	I was bidding on a GMT "fat lady" with that spider dial effect a couple years ago. I stopped at around $3k - forgot what it finally when for. I think it's a really cool effect

3 March 2010, 07:48 AM	#11
TheBluePrince "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London Posts: 2,081	Cool effect.

3 March 2010, 01:03 PM	#14
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	hi earl, the way i look at those, there is a defect in the paint or the maybe the glossy clear. i agree it is interesting, but i would expect it to degrade over time and impact the movement. forgive me, i am in the art business, and i see this all teh time with oil paintings taht were in dry environments, or when the canvas was unstable. anyway, my point is that i like original dials even when dammaged. i would find it very amusing if this brings a premium. harry

3 March 2010, 08:50 PM	#15
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	Fair enough Harry :-)

15 January 2011, 07:45 AM	#17
esspee1200 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 593	great effect. i reply here since i just saw a submariner with no date like this in person. it looked a bit old as there was rust on the hands and the dial was a tad faded with a busted cyclops. any idea what this may fetch now a days? and idea on the year rolex accidentally put these out?

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