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Psmith · 4 April 2010, 01:07 PM

Hi all

Looking for some opinions on these two please...

Have been planning on getting the 312 for a while, but now thinking about the 320

312 - clean look, 'Marina' on the dial

320 - PR meter (on back, where I like it), seconds reset. I can live with a 12 hr GMT function
Possible minus: silver GMT hand looks a bit obvious (would prefer black, like the 233 for example)
And extra $$$ of course...

Thanks

Cheers

sbux · 4 April 2010, 01:38 PM

get the one with power reserve in front not at the back!

Psmith · 4 April 2010, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbux

get the one with power reserve in front not at the back!

You mean the 321? (pic below)

Frustratingly, this has a black GMT hand but I don't like PR meters on the dial.

Cheers

CorruptedSanity · 4 April 2010, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psmith

You mean the 321? (pic below)

Frustratingly, this has a black GMT hand but I don't like PR meters on the dial.

Cheers

Like every other company in the world. There will be no perfect product (which makes sense from profit / organization longevity perspective).

If it has a sandwich dial, brushed case, polished bezel, veiled GMT hand, there will be a loud PR on the front. If the PR is neatly tucked away on the back, the GMT hand will be blatant. And if all else is perfect, the GMT will be a 12 hour not a full 24 hour gmt.

Psmith · 4 April 2010, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CorruptedSanity

Like every other company in the world. There will be no perfect product (which makes sense from profit / organization longevity perspective).

If it has a sandwich dial, brushed case, polished bezel, veiled GMT hand, there will be a loud PR on the front. If the PR is neatly tucked away on the back, the GMT hand will be blatant. And if all else is perfect, the GMT will be a 12 hour not a full 24 hour gmt.

Quite right, Saif. Actually, Panerai do make the perfect watch for me - the 276. The only snag is the $95k price

Cheers

mfer · 4 April 2010, 01:46 PM

I don't get the 12hr GMT without am/pm indicator. voted 312.

zlin08033 · 5 April 2010, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfer

I don't get the 12hr GMT without am/pm indicator. voted 312.

X2.
MSRP for 320 is $1500 more than 312, but on the grey/2nd hand market not so much. Last week had a chance to pickup a 3 month old mint 320 for $6300, passed, since I already have a 328 and 88.

Carlo Miguel · 5 April 2010, 01:52 AM

312....:)

mike · 5 April 2010, 02:57 AM

It would be nice to have a true GMT function, but be that as it may the 320 would win for me.

CorruptedSanity · 4 April 2010, 03:42 PM

im with mfer, not a fan of "partial gmt" watches.

bungle · 4 April 2010, 10:12 PM

As ive got a 312 on order, i'll go for that :-) but the 32 is a real looker as well.......

Brunotheboxer · 4 April 2010, 10:20 PM

Of those two I like the 312 just because I wouldn't pay extra for the gmt hand. You can hide the gmt hand behind the hour hand when you don't need it.

CorruptedSanity · 5 April 2010, 03:15 AM

Actually, the 312 is the perfect Panerai for me. I guess I would have liked a rear side PR indicator but otherwise its perfect.

inhouse movement
sandwich dial
date
clean dial
small seconds
12 - 6 - 9 ( and 12 - 3 - 6 - 9 once a month ;)
brushed case
polished bezel
exhibitionist case back

CorruptedSanity · 5 April 2010, 03:16 AM

Actually, the 312 is the perfect Panerai for me. I guess I would have liked a rear side PR indicator but otherwise its perfect.

inhouse movement
sandwich dial
date
clean dial
small seconds
12 - 6 - 9 ( and 12 - 3 - 6 - 9 once a month ;)
brushed case
polished bezel
exhibitionist case back

JUSTROLEXES · 5 April 2010, 04:13 AM

320 For me, It doesn't hurt to have the GMT

renfield33 · 5 April 2010, 11:57 AM

320 is my perfect panerai right now. won't be buying a panerai until i can get a pepsi GMT Master.

Joey_V · 5 April 2010, 01:44 PM

312. Anything more expensive and I go straight to the 233, IMO.

Psmith · 6 April 2010, 06:06 PM

50/50 voting...

I'm starting to edge towards the 320... the arrowhead GMT hand is part of Panerai's design language. Heck, it's in gold on the 289, etc...

Also, it kinda balances up the dial. Imho, the 312 has a little too much space around the date window. Now if they'd managed to push the date inboard and included a '3' ...

Let me have it boys...

Cheers

Cru Jones · 6 April 2010, 07:51 PM

HUGE fan of the 312....

regarding the 320, i think a GMT needs to show 24 hours and a PR does not do much for me. i especially don't like PR's on the front of the dial, since it strikes me as being a bit gimmic-y that way (imho, of course).

Psmith · 6 April 2010, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

HUGE fan of the 312....

regarding the 320, i think a GMT needs to show 24 hours and a PR does not do much for me. i especially don't like PR's on the front of the dial, since it strikes me as being a bit gimmic-y that way (imho, of course).

I know what you mean about the GMT function, but I can live with a 12 hr set up for the sake of a clean dial.

I also don't like PR meters on dials, but the 320's is on the back. Useful, but not essential. A nice-to-have, as is the 'zero seconds reset'.

Cheers

nowatch · 6 April 2010, 11:51 PM

in the end you cant go wrong with both! $$ will probably make the choice for you.

It might bring you to another price range for the 320 and Joey said it right

... brings you 312|..............$...|233 (that much closer). and the bang for the buck from a 320 to a 233 is even greater!

To me it seems the 320 is the middle child in the 1950's models. I know there's a GMT function added, but with the used prices of the 233 coming down to a attractive level the gap is tightening.

TonyD · 6 April 2010, 11:55 PM

Tough choice. I myself like complications and don't own many 3 hand watches. I like GMT's and I think the 320 is nice and subtle. I do NOT like the PR on the 321. I think the PR on the back of the 320 is very cool. The 312 is more simple but really the difference is SO subtle that I give the 320 the edge. I can't see anyone looking at the 320 and saying its cluttered. You can just tuck the GMT hand under the hour hand if you don't want it right?

m_reign · 7 April 2010, 02:41 AM

I much prefer the GMT hands on the 233 or 270 if I ever needed a GMT functionality. that's why I voted for the 312.

dpj17 · 7 April 2010, 12:09 PM

312 for me, I've got the itch for that one!

acuraelin · 14 April 2010, 02:39 PM

after a long debate between 320 and 312 I went for the 312 because of availability and of course less $ I love my 312 but of course i do have the thought "should've got the 320"

mach330 · 14 April 2010, 02:43 PM

i prefer the 312 as well. does anyone have a pix of the pr meter on the back of a 320? i never knew that.

Psmith · 14 April 2010, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mach330

i prefer the 312 as well. does anyone have a pix of the pr meter on the back of a 320? i never knew that.

Here you go...

Cheers

mach330 · 15 April 2010, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psmith

Here you go...

Cheers

that's interesting. that's barely a meter.

Psmith · 8 July 2010, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mach330

that's interesting. that's barely a meter.

Meter is the wrong word. It is really just a simple indicator which turns from red to black when the watch requires winding.

Cheers

ocwatching · 14 April 2010, 03:36 PM

I wanted to get the 320..but could not wait..and the 312 came along..but I am happy as I am not keen on the Luminor GMT and prefer the Marina...

other than that..the PR is a nice touch...but I love my 312

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4 April 2010, 01:07 PM	#1
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	312 or 320 ? Hi all Looking for some opinions on these two please... Have been planning on getting the 312 for a while, but now thinking about the 320 312 - clean look, 'Marina' on the dial 320 - PR meter (on back, where I like it), seconds reset. I can live with a 12 hr GMT function Possible minus: silver GMT hand looks a bit obvious (would prefer black, like the 233 for example) And extra $$$ of course... Thanks Cheers Attached Images __________________

4 April 2010, 01:46 PM	#6
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	I don't get the 12hr GMT without am/pm indicator. voted 312. __________________ member#3242

5 April 2010, 04:13 AM	#15
JUSTROLEXES ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2024 SubLV41 Sponsor & Boutique Seller Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Tony Geha Location: San Diego, CA Watch: Yacht-Master Posts: 51,105	320 For me, It doesn't hurt to have the GMT __________________ Instagram @JustRolexes 2FA security active

5 April 2010, 01:44 PM	#17
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	312. Anything more expensive and I go straight to the 233, IMO. __________________ Current Rotation: Rolex Submariner Date (M) - 1/08, Rolex Milgauss GV (V) - 2/10, Rolex SS Black Daytona (V) - 6/10, Rolex GMTIIC (G) - 5/11, TAG Heuer Silverstone (286/1860) - 1/2015 Former-watches: Omega PO/2535.80/2254, TAG Carrera/F1x2/Monaco, Panerai 312K/292L Wish List: Panerai 270/505, Rolex SMURF, Rolex RG Daytona, Rolex DSSD

4 April 2010, 01:38 PM	#2
sbux "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA Posts: 303	get the one with power reserve in front not at the back!

5 April 2010, 01:52 AM	#8
Carlo Miguel Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Carlo Location: Philippines Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 444	312....:)

5 April 2010, 02:57 AM	#9
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	It would be nice to have a true GMT function, but be that as it may the 320 would win for me.

4 April 2010, 03:42 PM	#10
CorruptedSanity Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Saif Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Watch: AP Posts: 402	im with mfer, not a fan of "partial gmt" watches.

4 April 2010, 10:12 PM	#11
bungle "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Chris Location: North Wales, UK Posts: 214	As ive got a 312 on order, i'll go for that :-) but the 32 is a real looker as well.......

4 April 2010, 10:20 PM	#12
Brunotheboxer Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Bruno Location: Boston/Cape Cod Watch: 16610,PAM. 111, G Posts: 7,608	Of those two I like the 312 just because I wouldn't pay extra for the gmt hand. You can hide the gmt hand behind the hour hand when you don't need it.

5 April 2010, 03:15 AM	#13
CorruptedSanity Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Saif Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Watch: AP Posts: 402	Actually, the 312 is the perfect Panerai for me. I guess I would have liked a rear side PR indicator but otherwise its perfect. inhouse movement sandwich dial date clean dial small seconds 12 - 6 - 9 ( and 12 - 3 - 6 - 9 once a month ;) brushed case polished bezel exhibitionist case back

5 April 2010, 03:16 AM	#14
CorruptedSanity Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Saif Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Watch: AP Posts: 402	Actually, the 312 is the perfect Panerai for me. I guess I would have liked a rear side PR indicator but otherwise its perfect. inhouse movement sandwich dial date clean dial small seconds 12 - 6 - 9 ( and 12 - 3 - 6 - 9 once a month ;) brushed case polished bezel exhibitionist case back

5 April 2010, 11:57 AM	#16
renfield33 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Watch: GMT-II Pepsi Posts: 1,051	320 is my perfect panerai right now. won't be buying a panerai until i can get a pepsi GMT Master.

6 April 2010, 06:06 PM	#18
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	50/50 voting... I'm starting to edge towards the 320... the arrowhead GMT hand is part of Panerai's design language. Heck, it's in gold on the 289, etc... Also, it kinda balances up the dial. Imho, the 312 has a little too much space around the date window. Now if they'd managed to push the date inboard and included a '3' ... Let me have it boys... Cheers __________________

6 April 2010, 07:51 PM	#19
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,297	HUGE fan of the 312.... regarding the 320, i think a GMT needs to show 24 hours and a PR does not do much for me. i especially don't like PR's on the front of the dial, since it strikes me as being a bit gimmic-y that way (imho, of course).

6 April 2010, 11:51 PM	#21
nowatch Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Will Location: State of NY Posts: 33	in the end you cant go wrong with both! $$ will probably make the choice for you. It might bring you to another price range for the 320 and Joey said it right... brings you 312\|..............$...\|233 (that much closer). and the bang for the buck from a 320 to a 233 is even greater! To me it seems the 320 is the middle child in the 1950's models. I know there's a GMT function added, but with the used prices of the 233 coming down to a attractive level the gap is tightening.

6 April 2010, 11:55 PM	#22
TonyD 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Tony Location: Boston North Watch: Meteorite Daytona Posts: 1,471	Tough choice. I myself like complications and don't own many 3 hand watches. I like GMT's and I think the 320 is nice and subtle. I do NOT like the PR on the 321. I think the PR on the back of the 320 is very cool. The 312 is more simple but really the difference is SO subtle that I give the 320 the edge. I can't see anyone looking at the 320 and saying its cluttered. You can just tuck the GMT hand under the hour hand if you don't want it right? __________________ Pepsi GMT/SD43/DSSD Blue/ DJ41 TT Rose Diamond Dial/ Daytona Meteorite/ SS Sky Dweller White Dial/ IWC Bronze Big Pilot/ Aquanautic Super King / Omega Ploprof 1200 / Graham Scarab Diver

7 April 2010, 02:41 AM	#23
m_reign "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 860	I much prefer the GMT hands on the 233 or 270 if I ever needed a GMT functionality. that's why I voted for the 312.

7 April 2010, 12:09 PM	#24
dpj17 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: In the Middle Posts: 903	312 for me, I've got the itch for that one! __________________ Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat

14 April 2010, 02:39 PM	#25
acuraelin Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: S.Cali Posts: 41	after a long debate between 320 and 312 I went for the 312 because of availability and of course less $ I love my 312 but of course i do have the thought "should've got the 320"

14 April 2010, 02:43 PM	#26
mach330 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The OC Watch: Daytona,GMT,PAM 90 Posts: 394	i prefer the 312 as well. does anyone have a pix of the pr meter on the back of a 320? i never knew that.

14 April 2010, 03:36 PM	#30
ocwatching "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Phil Location: CA Posts: 5,374	I wanted to get the 320..but could not wait..and the 312 came along..but I am happy as I am not keen on the Luminor GMT and prefer the Marina... other than that..the PR is a nice touch...but I love my 312 __________________ too much into watches...

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