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Tools · 10 May 2010, 02:05 PM

A few weeks ago we had 5 examples of clasps that may, or may not have been authentic.. These were all clasps that friends of mine have had and asked me to take a look at - so, be careful..

Here is the link so you can see what you thought initially:
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=125157

Here are the answers

Clasp 1
This clasp is completely fake:
1) you can see that the Swiss Made are run together with out a space
2)The crown on this one isn't too bad and the scroll work is OK, but the crown points are just long lines down to a circle
3) Date and Steelinox stampings are made from the same stamper, likely at the same time... and that isn't normal.
4) This one is stamped as a Sub bracelet for a TT Oyster Flip-lock watch (93153-18), but you can see the clasp is the Oysterlock style and on a SS Jubilee bracelet (should be 62510)
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Clasp 2
This clasp is the real Deal and on an authentic Rolex watch.
1) You can see that Swiss Made are two words
2) Crown is a distinct crown with oval and head-cap clear. Also, scroll work is proper
3) Stampings are proper with Steelinox at initial manufacture, and then the date and part number stamps slightly lighter and stamped at a separate machine.
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Clasp 3
This is an authentic clasp from almost 30 years ago.
1) Crown is worn and scrolling is showing it's age, but it is all proper
2) While stamped at an earlier era, it can be seen that the initial stamp is from one machine, then the model and date are from a different run - proper
3) G code is proper from ~1982
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Clasp 4
This is another authentic clasp
1) Clasp code is authentic and fresh
2) 93150 is proper for a Sub flip-lock, and the fliplock can be seen at the top
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Clasp 5
Total Fake here
1) No space on Swiss Made and the font is a bit more cramped than usually seen
2) Crown is poorly stamped and you can see a circle at the bottom rather than an oval
3) Scroll is improper with the scroll curved end under the non curved stamp line on both sides of the crown; these should be above on one side and below on the other (see the real one)
4) Again, all the date and part number stampings are at the same time with the same machine.
5) This one has a part number that is scrambled - 93520 doesn't exist
6) Also, a part number ending in "0" would be SS, and this appears to be a TT bracelet so the number should be 93253-18. The 18 designates part of an 18k assembly.
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nickriebe · 10 May 2010, 02:12 PM

Thank you very much for the invaluable knowledge! I am that much closer to not being suckered! Please deposit all fake crap accordingly...

HFLO · 10 May 2010, 02:20 PM

Hi, Larry:

very informative

love to see more such threads

crazyfingers · 10 May 2010, 03:06 PM

Very informative indeed Larry! Thanks!

ikoiko · 11 May 2010, 03:48 AM

Thanks for the lesson. Great information.

BASSETHOUNDS · 11 May 2010, 03:54 AM

Thank you Larry that was a very instructive thread . Maybe you could run a "dial" version some time .

We will keep those pictures in a file , so we can use them in the Watch out section when needed.

TerryF · 11 May 2010, 05:20 AM

Thanks Larry

Clasp two through me - whats the DT12 stand for exactly?

Cheers
Terry

PanosI · 11 May 2010, 05:28 AM

WooHoo...

5 out 5 with knowledge and information that i found solely from this site.

TRF is the best

Law4778 · 11 May 2010, 05:36 AM

A very enlightning thread i love this kind of thing, cheers.

sakuraba · 11 May 2010, 05:42 AM

I always learn something new every day on TRF!

Thanks, Larry!

Vous · 11 May 2010, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sakuraba

I always learn something new every day on TRF!

Thanks, Larry!

x2 Thanks Larry

Rigsby1 · 11 May 2010, 05:41 AM

Thanks Larry, can you help with my wifes?
r/h side is R12 (TOP RIGHT)
under that is SWISS MADE
under that is a number 62510 D

Many thanks
Darren

Tools · 12 May 2010, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rigsby1

Thanks Larry, can you help with my wifes?
r/h side is R12 (TOP RIGHT)
under that is SWISS MADE
under that is a number 62510 D

Many thanks
Darren

Ladies SS Datejust Jubilee from about 1993/94

Rigsby1 · 12 May 2010, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Ladies SS Datejust Jubilee from about 1993/94

Thank you Larry

Kokyuryoku · 11 May 2010, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PanosI

WooHoo...

5 out 5 with knowledge and information that i found solely from this site.

TRF is the best

Me too

TRF is awesome for information

Thanks for the lesson Larry

AndersB · 12 May 2010, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerryF

Clasp two through me - whats the DT12 stand for exactly?

Bracelet manufactured December 2002. You can find info here:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=73646

David Woo · 12 May 2010, 06:10 AM

great info, Larry: thanks!!
DW

Chipmunk · 11 May 2010, 05:54 AM

Very interesting tutorial. Thanks, Larry.

andypandy · 11 May 2010, 07:00 AM

Thank you Larry, very informative piece and we are all obliged to you.Hands up all the folks that started reaching for loupes and watches within 2 seconds of reading the
info ? Count me in 2 bracelets.....both Kosher ! Pheeeeew ! Now I can sleep.

juan2mini · 11 May 2010, 08:22 AM

Thank you, very informative - this will save me a lot of time & maybe money. Thanks again

therolexguy · 11 May 2010, 11:07 AM

Thanks for the follow up Larry. I learn almost everyday on TRF.

PhilM · 11 May 2010, 05:36 PM

Really useful post Larry, so thanks for taking the time out to put it together

10 May 2010, 02:05 PM	#1
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	Clasp Detective... Answers...... A few weeks ago we had 5 examples of clasps that may, or may not have been authentic.. These were all clasps that friends of mine have had and asked me to take a look at - so, be careful.. Here is the link so you can see what you thought initially: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=125157 Here are the answers Clasp 1 This clasp is completely fake: 1) you can see that the Swiss Made are run together with out a space 2)The crown on this one isn't too bad and the scroll work is OK, but the crown points are just long lines down to a circle 3) Date and Steelinox stampings are made from the same stamper, likely at the same time... and that isn't normal. 4) This one is stamped as a Sub bracelet for a TT Oyster Flip-lock watch (93153-18), but you can see the clasp is the Oysterlock style and on a SS Jubilee bracelet (should be 62510) Clasp 2 This clasp is the real Deal and on an authentic Rolex watch. 1) You can see that Swiss Made are two words 2) Crown is a distinct crown with oval and head-cap clear. Also, scroll work is proper 3) Stampings are proper with Steelinox at initial manufacture, and then the date and part number stamps slightly lighter and stamped at a separate machine. Clasp 3 This is an authentic clasp from almost 30 years ago. 1) Crown is worn and scrolling is showing it's age, but it is all proper 2) While stamped at an earlier era, it can be seen that the initial stamp is from one machine, then the model and date are from a different run - proper 3) G code is proper from ~1982 Clasp 4 This is another authentic clasp 1) Clasp code is authentic and fresh 2) 93150 is proper for a Sub flip-lock, and the fliplock can be seen at the top Clasp 5 Total Fake here 1) No space on Swiss Made and the font is a bit more cramped than usually seen 2) Crown is poorly stamped and you can see a circle at the bottom rather than an oval 3) Scroll is improper with the scroll curved end under the non curved stamp line on both sides of the crown; these should be above on one side and below on the other (see the real one) 4) Again, all the date and part number stampings are at the same time with the same machine. 5) This one has a part number that is scrambled - 93520 doesn't exist 6) Also, a part number ending in "0" would be SS, and this appears to be a TT bracelet so the number should be 93253-18. The 18 designates part of an 18k assembly. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member Last edited by Tools; 12 May 2010 at 08:57 AM..

10 May 2010, 02:12 PM	#2
nickriebe "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Nick Location: 3026'23N 8638'41W Watch: out for pirates! Posts: 692	Thank you very much for the invaluable knowledge! I am that much closer to not being suckered! Please deposit all fake crap accordingly... Attached Images __________________ ~Nick Riebe~

10 May 2010, 02:20 PM	#3
HFLO "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Malaysia Watch: 1803 DD Posts: 377	Hi, Larry: very informative love to see more such threads __________________ time is what a clock measures . . . especially ROLEX !

10 May 2010, 03:06 PM	#4
crazyfingers "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Arjun Location: India Watch: Submariner 14060M Posts: 347	Very informative indeed Larry! Thanks! __________________ *Buy less, but buy better!* http://watchesindia.blogspot.com/

11 May 2010, 05:42 AM	#10
sakuraba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Jib Location: SJ, California Watch: sun dial Posts: 8,189	I always learn something new every day on TRF! Thanks, Larry! __________________ F 14000 AirKing black F 16710 GMT Pepsi F 16570 Explorer II white T 16600 SD D 16610 LV "fine quality is remembered long after the pain of spending money" -Steve Mulholland

11 May 2010, 03:48 AM	#5
ikoiko "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: upstate NY Watch: Explorer II Posts: 25	Thanks for the lesson. Great information.

11 May 2010, 03:54 AM	#6
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Thank you Larry that was a very instructive thread . Maybe you could run a "dial" version some time . We will keep those pictures in a file , so we can use them in the Watch out section when needed.

11 May 2010, 05:20 AM	#7
TerryF Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Terry Location: Pretoria Watch: GMT Master Posts: 261	Thanks Larry Clasp two through me - whats the DT12 stand for exactly? Cheers Terry

11 May 2010, 05:28 AM	#8
PanosI 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Panos Location: Athens, Greece Watch: 16710 Posts: 8,704	WooHoo... 5 out 5 with knowledge and information that i found solely from this site. TRF is the best

11 May 2010, 05:36 AM	#9
Law4778 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Lee Location: UK Watch: Explorer II Posts: 21	A very enlightning thread i love this kind of thing, cheers.

11 May 2010, 05:41 AM	#12
Rigsby1 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Darren Location: England Posts: 401	Thanks Larry, can you help with my wifes? r/h side is R12 (TOP RIGHT) under that is SWISS MADE under that is a number 62510 D Many thanks Darren

12 May 2010, 06:10 AM	#17
David Woo Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: southern Calif Posts: 632	great info, Larry: thanks!! DW

11 May 2010, 05:54 AM	#18
Chipmunk "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Alvin Location: So Cal Watch: ROLEXES Posts: 5,390	Very interesting tutorial. Thanks, Larry. __________________ "A thing of beauty is a joy forever"............John Keats

11 May 2010, 07:00 AM	#19
andypandy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Andrew Location: Edinburgh Scotlan Watch: Rolrx GMT Master Posts: 381	Thank you Larry, very informative piece and we are all obliged to you.Hands up all the folks that started reaching for loupes and watches within 2 seconds of reading the info ? Count me in 2 bracelets.....both Kosher ! Pheeeeew ! Now I can sleep.

11 May 2010, 08:22 AM	#20
juan2mini "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Jim Location: Calif Posts: 17	Thank you, very informative - this will save me a lot of time & maybe money. Thanks again

11 May 2010, 11:07 AM	#21
therolexguy 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Todd Location: US Posts: 3,528	Thanks for the follow up Larry. I learn almost everyday on TRF.

11 May 2010, 05:36 PM	#22
PhilM "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Phil Location: London Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 1,765	Really useful post Larry, so thanks for taking the time out to put it together

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