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aleiberman · 12 May 2010, 11:27 PM

I have a really small wrists, and my Sub14060M has been very uncomfortable to wear to do the clasp not centered properly. The fit was also either too loose or too tight. Thanks to TOOLS, another member here, he suggested I remove a permanent link on my Sub14060M six o'clock side. Great idea, but i did not want to mess with my bracelet. I decided to go on a hunt for a used 93150 bracelet to do this work on versus the original, and keep the original stashed away. I had a hard time sourcing the bracelet for a price that I could live with, until Steve Mulholland found ONLY a six o'clock side of the bracelet hanging around in his parts bin. No twelve o'clock links, clasp or endlinks. Which is fine because I really only needed the six o'clock side to perform the bracelet canabolism. Well it gets even better...come to find out, the previous owner, had already performed this work on that set of links, and removed a permanent link. Interestingly, that person removed the third permanent link and not the last permanent (4th), and then reatached the 4th link to the 2nd. It looks even been that way (IMO), where you would imagine the the 4th link being removed looking a tad better. Amazing! There is a small gap between the 2nd and 3rd link but it is hardly noticable. Couldn't have worked out any better for me, and most importantly, the removal of the link has made a world of difference.

Thank you Steve M, you were great to work with, and still can't believe how this all worked out for us both.

Here are some few photos (the fit before and after, then the links)...

mhmfao · 12 May 2010, 11:39 PM

Aaron,

Good for you.

Your watch now looks like it was made for you. Tools seems to be everywhere at once. He's super knowledgable and helpful.

V/R,
Michael

Lol-x · 12 May 2010, 11:42 PM

That is a great result, well done

Was it easy to remove one of the permanent links and how did you do it.........grind it off

aleiberman · 12 May 2010, 11:45 PM

I have no idea Stevo. That is the cool thing. I purchased the links from Steve M and they already had the work performed prior to them ending up in his parts bin. He just happened to have it. Couldn't have worked out better for me.

Lion · 12 May 2010, 11:48 PM

Aaron, I'm glad everything worked out okay for you...now you can wear your watch and it's comfortable on your wrist!!!

Skullring · 12 May 2010, 11:57 PM

Looks Great Aaron. Glad you have a comfortable fit now.

Dan Pierce · 13 May 2010, 12:34 AM

dP

Titan1979 · 13 May 2010, 12:38 AM

Great post Aaron! I am in the same situation right now and I have been debating whether I want to remove a permanent link. I am pretty sure I will be keeping this watch for a long time so I will probably get RSC to remove the 4th permanent link on the 6 o'clock side. Do you think it will look ok?

Kapture1 · 13 May 2010, 12:43 AM

could have adjusted the micro-pin on the clasp for a tighter fit without removing a permanent link, looks like two more notches tighted. Still looks good tho

aleiberman · 13 May 2010, 01:12 AM

That won't work Matt. When you tighten a micro-pin it moves the clasp more towards the 12 o'clock side, as you loose more bracelet on that side. In my situation, my clasp was all the way over to that right side and the micro adjustment only had one more hole available. It would have made the clasp too tight and then over to the right side even more.

aleiberman · 13 May 2010, 01:16 AM

Titan1979, it will look great, and should be more comfortable for you, if you have the same comfort issue I have. If you are concerned like me about canabolizing your original bracelet, then I would start hunting for a used one and have someone do it for you who has done it before. Maybe you'll get lucky and find a decent bracelet. You only need one side, and in my case, I got real lucky and Steve had just that. Remember, i'm still using the other side of the orginal bracelet.

johnny80s · 13 May 2010, 01:40 AM

TRF members to the rescue as usual.

2th Dr · 13 May 2010, 03:20 AM

Could have done what I did too...

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=126863

MagedMS · 13 May 2010, 03:27 AM

Looks great on your wrist Aaron..I love this bracelet when it perfectly fits..

Tools · 13 May 2010, 03:32 AM

Removing a permanent link from the 6 o'clock side has become so common, I think that is why all the latest bracelets come with an extra removeable link on that side...

JJ Irani · 13 May 2010, 03:38 AM

Larry (Tools) is amazingly helpful when you need advice. I've PM'd him a few times for assistance and he was always ready to help out.

JJ

acce1999 · 13 May 2010, 03:27 AM

Interesting solution. Seems more complicated to remove a link that way, but it seems to work.

I always remove a permanent link on the six o'clock side on all the old style bracelets (93150, 78360... etc). On the latest style Oyster there are more removable links. I have a fairly skinny wrist and prefer a tight fit.

The result was pretty much perfect for you, as it is for me!

Well done, and congrats on finding such a great solution.

Best,

A

Puffy · 13 May 2010, 04:39 AM

Good work!

GerardoG · 13 May 2010, 04:41 AM

Great!

m@rk8 · 13 May 2010, 05:36 AM

Permanent link removal for us sparrow wrist owners is the way forward, love the fit of mine since number 4 link got chopped.

aleiberman · 13 May 2010, 06:52 AM

Agreed - I've tried reversing the clasp and all the other tricks, but this is the way to go.

hooliganhooker · 13 May 2010, 09:02 AM

Ain't it grand!!! Good job!

therolexguy · 13 May 2010, 09:07 AM

TRF rules.

JMIND · 13 May 2010, 11:00 AM

Good job!

2brothers · 13 May 2010, 11:13 AM

Great work!

Looks like a good fit.

Retronaut · 13 May 2010, 11:33 AM

I need to do the same thing....but I just got a brand new bracelet for my vintage gmt master and can't bring myself to cut it.

I have heard that all you have to do is pull the two sides of the link with pliers to break it down

TimeOnHand · 13 May 2010, 11:26 AM

Looks great!

OTE200 · 13 May 2010, 04:46 PM

I just rang my AD in Brisbane to see if they can do it and they reckon they've never heard of anyone wanting to remove a permanent link. In fact, she was quite rude about it even after I explained the situation:-

AD: "Why on earth would you want to do that!?"

Me: "Umm, for the reasons I just gave you; the clasp is not centred [etc]...You can only remove one link on the 6 o'clock side [etc]..."

AD: "Well, I have never heard of anyone wanting to do that..."

acce1999 · 13 May 2010, 04:57 PM

Ask to see the watchmaker on site. I always do when it comes to technical issues. This way I find that I have a good and growing relationship with several skilled watchmakers, that helps me with good service and advice.

Good luck!

Best,

A

OTE200 · 13 May 2010, 05:01 PM

I rang another watchmaker and he asked me to bring it in for a look but couldn't promise anything.

I might just stick with the 'reverse' solution for now. Thanks.

12 May 2010, 11:27 PM	#1
aleiberman "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: MA Watch: Rolex Posts: 501	Small Wrist Solution, thanks to TOOLS and Steve Mulholland! I have a really small wrists, and my Sub14060M has been very uncomfortable to wear to do the clasp not centered properly. The fit was also either too loose or too tight. Thanks to TOOLS, another member here, he suggested I remove a permanent link on my Sub14060M six o'clock side. Great idea, but i did not want to mess with my bracelet. I decided to go on a hunt for a used 93150 bracelet to do this work on versus the original, and keep the original stashed away. I had a hard time sourcing the bracelet for a price that I could live with, until Steve Mulholland found ONLY a six o'clock side of the bracelet hanging around in his parts bin. No twelve o'clock links, clasp or endlinks. Which is fine because I really only needed the six o'clock side to perform the bracelet canabolism. Well it gets even better...come to find out, the previous owner, had already performed this work on that set of links, and removed a permanent link. Interestingly, that person removed the third permanent link and not the last permanent (4th), and then reatached the 4th link to the 2nd. It looks even been that way (IMO), where you would imagine the the 4th link being removed looking a tad better. Amazing! There is a small gap between the 2nd and 3rd link but it is hardly noticable. Couldn't have worked out any better for me, and most importantly, the removal of the link has made a world of difference. Thank you Steve M, you were great to work with, and still can't believe how this all worked out for us both. Here are some few photos (the fit before and after, then the links)... Attached Images

12 May 2010, 11:42 PM	#3
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,593	That is a great result, well done Was it easy to remove one of the permanent links and how did you do it.........grind it off __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

12 May 2010, 11:48 PM	#5
Lion "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Leo Location: Midwest Watch: GMT-II 16710 PEPSI Posts: 21,461	Aaron, I'm glad everything worked out okay for you...now you can wear your watch and it's comfortable on your wrist!!! __________________ SS GMT-II 16710 PEPSI(Z-serial#) THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND BOYS IS THE PRICE OF THE TOYS!!! MontBlanc Meisterstuck Doue Silver Barley MontBlanc Meisterstuck Solitaire Doue Signum Proud Card Carrying Member of the Curmudgeons.....Yikes!!!

12 May 2010, 11:57 PM	#6
Skullring "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Phillip Location: Alabama Watch: Triple 6 SD Posts: 1,720	Looks Great Aaron. Glad you have a comfortable fit now. __________________ It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. - Antoine de Saint Exupéry

13 May 2010, 12:34 AM	#7
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12 May 2010, 11:39 PM	#2
mhmfao Removed Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Mike Location: Tokyo Watch: 16600K (lug holes) Posts: 182	Aaron, Good for you. Your watch now looks like it was made for you. Tools seems to be everywhere at once. He's super knowledgable and helpful. V/R, Michael

12 May 2010, 11:45 PM	#4
aleiberman "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: MA Watch: Rolex Posts: 501	I have no idea Stevo. That is the cool thing. I purchased the links from Steve M and they already had the work performed prior to them ending up in his parts bin. He just happened to have it. Couldn't have worked out better for me.

13 May 2010, 12:38 AM	#8
Titan1979 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: canada Posts: 89	Great post Aaron! I am in the same situation right now and I have been debating whether I want to remove a permanent link. I am pretty sure I will be keeping this watch for a long time so I will probably get RSC to remove the 4th permanent link on the 6 o'clock side. Do you think it will look ok?

13 May 2010, 12:43 AM	#9
Kapture1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Matt Location: Flint, MI Watch: Ω 3570.50.00 Posts: 2,058	could have adjusted the micro-pin on the clasp for a tighter fit without removing a permanent link, looks like two more notches tighted. Still looks good tho __________________ Miss you JJ Wash out this tired notion that the best is yet to come

13 May 2010, 01:12 AM	#10
aleiberman "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: MA Watch: Rolex Posts: 501	That won't work Matt. When you tighten a micro-pin it moves the clasp more towards the 12 o'clock side, as you loose more bracelet on that side. In my situation, my clasp was all the way over to that right side and the micro adjustment only had one more hole available. It would have made the clasp too tight and then over to the right side even more.

13 May 2010, 01:16 AM	#11
aleiberman "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: MA Watch: Rolex Posts: 501	Titan1979, it will look great, and should be more comfortable for you, if you have the same comfort issue I have. If you are concerned like me about canabolizing your original bracelet, then I would start hunting for a used one and have someone do it for you who has done it before. Maybe you'll get lucky and find a decent bracelet. You only need one side, and in my case, I got real lucky and Steve had just that. Remember, i'm still using the other side of the orginal bracelet.

13 May 2010, 01:40 AM	#12
johnny80s "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: John Location: Chicago Posts: 499	TRF members to the rescue as usual.

13 May 2010, 03:20 AM	#13
2th Dr Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Mark-O! Location: Arlington, TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 12,714	Could have done what I did too... http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=126863

13 May 2010, 03:27 AM	#14
MagedMS "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Maged Location: Egypt Watch: SUBMARINER 114060 Posts: 514	SUB Bracelet.. Looks great on your wrist Aaron..I love this bracelet when it perfectly fits.. __________________ ROLEX SUBMARINER-114060/116610 LN/116613 LB ROLEX DEEPSEA-116660/116660 DBL/SD43-126600 ROLEX GMT II C-116710 LN/EXPLORER II-216570 BK ROLEX DAYTONA-116503 BLABR ROLEX MILLGAUSS-116400 GV

13 May 2010, 03:32 AM	#15
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,515	Removing a permanent link from the 6 o'clock side has become so common, I think that is why all the latest bracelets come with an extra removeable link on that side... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

13 May 2010, 03:38 AM	#16
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Larry (Tools) is amazingly helpful when you need advice. I've PM'd him a few times for assistance and he was always ready to help out. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

13 May 2010, 03:27 AM	#17
acce1999 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: GMT+1 Posts: 2,711	Interesting solution. Seems more complicated to remove a link that way, but it seems to work. I always remove a permanent link on the six o'clock side on all the old style bracelets (93150, 78360... etc). On the latest style Oyster there are more removable links. I have a fairly skinny wrist and prefer a tight fit. The result was pretty much perfect for you, as it is for me! Well done, and congrats on finding such a great solution. Best, A

13 May 2010, 04:39 AM	#18
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	Good work! __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

13 May 2010, 04:41 AM	#19
GerardoG Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Gerardo Location: Here Watch: ALL of them Posts: 32,098	Great!

13 May 2010, 05:36 AM	#20
m@rk8 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Suffolk. UK Posts: 25	Permanent link removal for us sparrow wrist owners is the way forward, love the fit of mine since number 4 link got chopped.

13 May 2010, 06:52 AM	#21
aleiberman "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: MA Watch: Rolex Posts: 501	Agreed - I've tried reversing the clasp and all the other tricks, but this is the way to go.

13 May 2010, 09:02 AM	#22
hooliganhooker Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Robert Location: Iowa Watch: Rolex MilGauss Posts: 513	Ain't it grand!!! Good job!

13 May 2010, 09:07 AM	#23
therolexguy 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Todd Location: US Posts: 3,528	TRF rules.

13 May 2010, 11:00 AM	#24
JMIND "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Jerry Location: New Mexico Watch: 16610 M Series Posts: 1,084	Good job!

13 May 2010, 11:13 AM	#25
2brothers "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Todd Location: WA Watch: Sub LV Posts: 126	Great work! Looks like a good fit.

13 May 2010, 11:33 AM	#26
Retronaut Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: TN Watch: out for Commies Posts: 74	I need to do the same thing....but I just got a brand new bracelet for my vintage gmt master and can't bring myself to cut it. I have heard that all you have to do is pull the two sides of the link with pliers to break it down

13 May 2010, 11:26 AM	#27
TimeOnHand "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Kevin Location: Hong Kong Watch: Rolex Air-King Posts: 4,468	Looks great! __________________ Instagram: timeonhand1010

13 May 2010, 04:46 PM	#28
OTE200 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Australia Watch: 14270 Explorer Posts: 108	I just rang my AD in Brisbane to see if they can do it and they reckon they've never heard of anyone wanting to remove a permanent link. In fact, she was quite rude about it even after I explained the situation:- AD: "Why on earth would you want to do that!?" Me: "Umm, for the reasons I just gave you; the clasp is not centred [etc]...You can only remove one link on the 6 o'clock side [etc]..." AD: "Well, I have never heard of anyone wanting to do that..."

13 May 2010, 04:57 PM	#29
acce1999 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: GMT+1 Posts: 2,711	Ask to see the watchmaker on site. I always do when it comes to technical issues. This way I find that I have a good and growing relationship with several skilled watchmakers, that helps me with good service and advice. Good luck! Best, A

13 May 2010, 05:01 PM	#30
OTE200 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Australia Watch: 14270 Explorer Posts: 108	I rang another watchmaker and he asked me to bring it in for a look but couldn't promise anything. I might just stick with the 'reverse' solution for now. Thanks.

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