Rolex bezel kickers

[Nicko]

Why are there so many bezel kickers when trying to sell a Rolex. I understand everyone is skeptical when it comes to buying used but it's getting ridiculous. Could it be that there have been so many scammers recently? Mayby it's the economy. I don’t know what it is, but honestly when a seller goes out of their way to accommodate potential buyers and then they turn around and tell you “I’ll get back to you.” It’s infuriating, moreover when buyers low ball you so much it’s actually offensive. Do we all want something for nothing? What gives? I’m a savvy buyer and am always looking out for a deal but there’s a line I will not cross and that’s wasting time and low balling. Is this a trend we are seeing?

[shark73]

I'll get back to you with an answer!

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by shark73

I'll get back to you with an answer!

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by shark73

I'll get back to you with an answer!

dP

[BarkMaster]

Originally Posted by shark73

I'll get back to you with an answer!

Pretty funny.

[Danand]

I hink it is part of the times. Partly due to the economy and housing market being crappy buyers probably feel if you are selling you need to. Also with he trend over the last decade or so to cheap Chinese crap in all aspects of consumer goods many people are no longer accustomed to paying a fair amount for quality; rather it is the mentality of I'll buy it cheap and when it fails I'll just buy another one. So then the consumer is shocked by the price of a truly well made item and starts feeling indignant over prices of luxury goods. No science here, just my opinion. Cheers and good luck.

[ally]

I agree it is the economy at the moment.


People shop around more always looking for "best price".

[Hydrographer]

lol touche salesman

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by Nicko

Why are there so many bezel kickers when trying to sell a Rolex. I understand everyone is skeptical when it comes to buying used but it's getting ridiculous. Could it be that there have been so many scammers recently? Mayby it's the economy. I don’t know what it is, but honestly when a seller goes out of their way to accommodate potential buyers and then they turn around and tell you “I’ll get back to you.” It’s infuriating, moreover when buyers low ball you so much it’s actually offensive. Do we all want something for nothing? What gives? I’m a savvy buyer and am always looking out for a deal but there’s a line I will not cross and that’s wasting time and low balling. Is this a trend we are seeing?

Maybe your price is too high?

[flathead59]

I think it's way more than just looking for the best price. The responses I've had to a couple of my ads gave me the distinct impression right off the bat that the person didn't actually want the watch, but they would have been willing to buy it if they could get it for next to nothing. I don't know that it's tied directly to the economy, I think it's just a particularly virulent form of cynicism. To automatically offer 30-40% below the asking price, even if the price was conservative to start with, seems to be the current trend.

Mark

[buz-lh]

I definitely think it's due to the economy. Bad times always bring out bottom feeders.

[Grissom]

I think it simply is what it is......I never get torqued when someone low-balls me, I simply say no thanks! Part of the process, when selling. Hey, look at how folks are slamming retail ADs for "not giving enough of a discount"! And, as I have come to realize from years of collecting "stuff", not everyone values things the same as I do. I have periodically "paid too much" for something I had to have, and when subsequently selling it, unfortunately, have not encountered another "me", and thus, have either not been able to sell it or have had to, in some cases, take a loss......Just because I may have "paid too much" does not mean the next guy has to!!

Just is what it is......never Personal (although we may have a tendency to take it as such)l!!

(And the downside, in a place like this, can be that someone refrains from making a lower offer, either out of respect for the seller, or out of fear of offending the seller, when, in some cases, the seller might actually want to sell it badly enough to welcome selling if for less, or even taking a loss, if need be.)

[WARVET]

[QUOTE=Grissom;2185402]I think it simply is what it is......I never get torqued when someone low-balls me, I simply say no thanks! Part of the process, when selling. Hey, look at how folks are slamming retail ADs for "not giving enough of a discount"! And, as I have come to realize from years of collecting "stuff", not everyone values things the same as I do. I have periodically "paid too much" for something I had to have, and when subsequently selling it, unfortunately, have not encountered another "me", and thus, have either not been able to sell it or have had to, in some cases, take a loss......Just because I may have "paid too much" does not mean the next guy has to!!

The Story of my life, Buy high , Sell low, thats why I have a job!

[BMN]

I think a lot has to do with the economy. Let's face it, with the way things are these days, there can't possibly be the same volume of people buying luxury watches as there was 5-10 years ago.

With that being said - for those who are looking to buy a luxury watch in these tough times (myself included), you feel there should be some kind of a compromise. We're not asking for the watch at cost - but a sale at 5-10% less than you had initially hoped for is better than no sale at all, right? Not to mention, probably a customer for life.

My 2 cents

[flathead59]

Originally Posted by BMN

With that being said - for those who are looking to buy a luxury watch in these tough times (myself included), you feel there should be some kind of a compromise. We're not asking for the watch at cost - but a sale at 5-10% less than you had initially hoped for is better than no sale at all, right? Not to mention, probably a customer for life.

My 2 cents

BMN, I get wanting a value, but I'm not talking about a retailer or even a grey seller here, an I don't think the OP was either. What I'm talking about is a pre-owned watch that is being sold by somebody who's not doing it as a business. The current markets for your base line Rolex models are pretty well defined, and most are priced within a fairly narrow window. That 5-10% gets to be pretty significant when you're talking about a watch that has already depreciated about as much as it's going to for the condition it's in, and the offers I'm talking about are normally 20-30% less than the asking price.

Mark

[Grissom]

Originally Posted by flathead59

BMN, I get wanting a value, but I'm not talking about a retailer or even a grey seller here, an I don't think the OP was either. What I'm talking about is a pre-owned watch that is being sold by somebody who's not doing it as a business. The current markets for your base line Rolex models are pretty well defined, and most are priced within a fairly narrow window. That 5-10% gets to be pretty significant when you're talking about a watch that has already depreciated about as much as it's going to for the condition it's in, and the offers I'm talking about are normally 20-30% less than the asking price.

Mark

Mark, I am not sure I agree with you about the prices being so well defined, in a fairly narrow range. There are so many nuances in the vintage time piece market. Absolute, total originality, restored, how well, and by whom, condition (which is totally a personal thing, unlike slabbed coin grading, as an example, which I don't particularly agree with, anyways), and the like. We are not talking about spot gold prices, but about, in Nicko's case, an old watch (no offense meant to the watch, which is quite a nice vintage timepiece, just using those words to make a point). And having bought and sold these for about 40 years now, I do believe there is a lot of room for "interpretation" on pricing and value. It is a personal choice what one wants to pay for something like a vintage timepiece, and unless it is extremely rare, it does not enter into the "commodity" arena, with, as you say, very well defined, narrow buy/sell pricing.

And, once again, for me, quite frankly, any offer is a good offer, when I am selling something, whether I accept it or not. It is when I get NO offers that I begin to worry.

Just my thinking out loud ....

Nathan

[Nicko]

Thanks, great analysis, and the watch takes no offense.

Originally Posted by Grissom

Mark, I am not sure I agree with you about the prices being so well defined, in a fairly narrow range. There are so many nuances in the vintage time piece market. Absolute, total originality, restored, how well, and by whom, condition (which is totally a personal thing, unlike slabbed coin grading, as an example, which I don't particularly agree with, anyways), and the like. We are not talking about spot gold prices, but about, in Nicko's case, an old watch (no offense meant to the watch, which is quite a nice vintage timepiece, just using those words to make a point). And having bought and sold these for about 40 years now, I do believe there is a lot of room for "interpretation" on pricing and value. It is a personal choice what one wants to pay for something like a vintage timepiece, and unless it is extremely rare, it does not enter into the "commodity" arena, with, as you say, very well defined, narrow buy/sell pricing.

And, once again, for me, quite frankly, any offer is a good offer, when I am selling something, whether I accept it or not. It is when I get NO offers that I begin to worry.

Just my thinking out loud ....

Nathan

[tictocChuck]

It's the economy for sure....I've never seen so many ads from local buyers (jewelery shops) looking for watches of all types, gold. diamonds etc. I wandered into one shop out of curiousity (to check out their Rolex inventory) and was nausiated by the used car salesman mentality. I'm almost sure they are offering terribly low & undervalued prices to people in desperate situations for money which is sad. The best place to sell your watch is probably in forums like this. I'm not a fan of eBay. But I suppose you'll always have those low ballers who keep testing the waters. Too bad they don't have a formal rating and feedback system here for BOTH buyers and sellers to rate how a transaction went. This is what is done on a site called Audiogon which is a market for used high quality Audio gear which can have prices running in ranges similar to here. Cheers

[Wolfgang427]

Originally Posted by flathead59

I think it's way more than just looking for the best price. The responses I've had to a couple of my ads gave me the distinct impression right off the bat that the person didn't actually want the watch, but they would have been willing to buy it if they could get it for next to nothing. I don't know that it's tied directly to the economy, I think it's just a particularly virulent form of cynicism. To automatically offer 30-40% below the asking price, even if the price was conservative to start with, seems to be the current trend.

Mark

Agree 100% No matter how low you go people will offer you a lower price then you posted.

[Tijssan]

Not great, but sill better than all of a sudden not sending an answer at all anymore. I have had a few email exchanges with interested buyers who decided not to bother with responding to the final offer at all anymore...

A simple - I'll think about it / thanks but no thanks / or something similar would be the decent thing to do IMHO...

[STEELINOX]

Some "stock answers," for would be "Bezel Blinker's" !

(Cut and paste em into your text document for any response)

1. Your kidding right?
2. No thanks
3. No thanks, shouldn't you be standin on a ledge somewhere !
4. I will get back to you (j/k, I wont)
5. Can you please provide some pictures of yourself so I can post em on the Forum
6. Maybe we should get to know one another before we go any further
7. Send me pictures of your watch you want to trade, in the following order:front, back, both sides, bracelet stretch, in the dark w/full charge to lume, zoom in on hand stack, zoom in on dial fonts, outside w/natural lighting, pic of everything you will include in the sale w/todays local newspaper.
8. No
9. Giddy up
10. Uh, your gettin 'warmer'
11. How about givin me your phone number?
12. Are you on drugs?
13. Have you been drinkin the fire water again?
14. Yes
15. Maybe, if you throw in ___________ into the sale
16. Maybe, if you remove ____________from the sale
17. You pay shipping & insurance and all fees (PayPal) for everything in the transaction
18. Shouldnt you be standin on a ledge somewhere?
19. Yes, we have a deal !!!
20. Can I get back to you after I sell the piece
21. I am no longer selling this piece
22. Someone has bought this, so snooze ya lose !
23. Ever dance with the Devil under a pale moon light?
24. Deals off !
25. No, I am no longer interested in your offer
26. Someone has outbid you
27. Feel free to step off that ledge
28. I cant accept your offer now, someone has made me a better offer
29. Your offer annoys me
30. Are you serious?
31. You cant be serious
32. Wow, you make me feel like dancin !
33. I hear your mom callin you
34. Dont you love it when a deal comes together!
35. My eBay feedback is 98 precent, the two percent negatives was nothin to do with fake watches - honest !
36. I cant do this deal now, I am keeping it after all
37. Leave me alone

[JetRanger]

it's called a "recession"

[Naples09]

Originally Posted by JetRanger

it's called a "recession"

The recession is over and has been for a while now.

Luxury good makers are reporting strong sales growth and profits.

[JetRanger]

Originally Posted by Naples09

The recession is over and has been for a while now.

Uh, unemployment levels continue to be stuck at the horribly high level of 9.6% (actually, more like 17% when you factor in those folks who have given up looking...).

What world are you living in?!

[Nicko]

I love it!!!!!

Thanks, you made me smile!

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

Some "stock answers," for would be "Bezel Blinker's" !

(Cut and paste em into your text document for any response)

1. Your kidding right?
2. No thanks
3. No thanks, shouldn't you be standin on a ledge somewhere !
4. I will get back to you (j/k, I wont)
5. Can you please provide some pictures of yourself so I can post em on the Forum
6. Maybe we should get to know one another before we go any further
7. Send me pictures of your watch you want to trade, in the following order:front, back, both sides, bracelet stretch, in the dark w/full charge to lume, zoom in on hand stack, zoom in on dial fonts, outside w/natural lighting, pic of everything you will include in the sale w/todays local newspaper.
8. No
9. Giddy up
10. Uh, your gettin 'warmer'
11. How about givin me your phone number?
12. Are you on drugs?
13. Have you been drinkin the fire water again?
14. Yes
15. Maybe, if you throw in ___________ into the sale
16. Maybe, if you remove ____________from the sale
17. You pay shipping & insurance and all fees (PayPal) for everything in the transaction
18. Shouldnt you be standin on a ledge somewhere?
19. Yes, we have a deal !!!
20. Can I get back to you after I sell the piece
21. I am no longer selling this piece
22. Someone has bought this, so snooze ya lose !
23. Ever dance with the Devil under a pale moon light?
24. Deals off !
25. No, I am no longer interested in your offer
26. Someone has outbid you
27. Feel free to step off that ledge
28. I cant accept your offer now, someone has made me a better offer
29. Your offer annoys me
30. Are you serious?
31. You cant be serious
32. Wow, you make me feel like dancin !
33. I hear your mom callin you
34. Dont you love it when a deal comes together!
35. My eBay feedback is 98 precent, the two percent negatives was nothin to do with fake watches - honest !
36. I cant do this deal now, I am keeping it after all
37. Leave me alone

[Route 66]

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

Some "stock answers," for would be "Bezel Blinker's" !

(Cut and paste em into your text document for any response)

1. Your kidding right?
2. No thanks
3. No thanks, shouldn't you be standin on a ledge somewhere !
4. I will get back to you (j/k, I wont)
5. Can you please provide some pictures of yourself so I can post em on the Forum
6. Maybe we should get to know one another before we go any further
7. Send me pictures of your watch you want to trade, in the following order:front, back, both sides, bracelet stretch, in the dark w/full charge to lume, zoom in on hand stack, zoom in on dial fonts, outside w/natural lighting, pic of everything you will include in the sale w/todays local newspaper.
8. No
9. Giddy up
10. Uh, your gettin 'warmer'
11. How about givin me your phone number?
12. Are you on drugs?
13. Have you been drinkin the fire water again?
14. Yes
15. Maybe, if you throw in ___________ into the sale
16. Maybe, if you remove ____________from the sale
17. You pay shipping & insurance and all fees (PayPal) for everything in the transaction
18. Shouldnt you be standin on a ledge somewhere?
19. Yes, we have a deal !!!
20. Can I get back to you after I sell the piece
21. I am no longer selling this piece
22. Someone has bought this, so snooze ya lose !
23. Ever dance with the Devil under a pale moon light?
24. Deals off !
25. No, I am no longer interested in your offer
26. Someone has outbid you
27. Feel free to step off that ledge
28. I cant accept your offer now, someone has made me a better offer
29. Your offer annoys me
30. Are you serious?
31. You cant be serious
32. Wow, you make me feel like dancin !
33. I hear your mom callin you
34. Dont you love it when a deal comes together!
35. My eBay feedback is 98 precent, the two percent negatives was nothin to do with fake watches - honest !
36. I cant do this deal now, I am keeping it after all
37. Leave me alone

I like number 9. It reminds me of something Kramer would say!

[flathead59]

STEELINOX that is hysterical .

Mark

[Grissom]

I'm kinda partial to #6.....too funny!!!

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

Some "stock answers," for would be "Bezel Blinker's" !

(Cut and paste em into your text document for any response)

1. Your kidding right?
2. No thanks
3. No thanks, shouldn't you be standin on a ledge somewhere !
4. I will get back to you (j/k, I wont)
5. Can you please provide some pictures of yourself so I can post em on the Forum
6. Maybe we should get to know one another before we go any further
7. Send me pictures of your watch you want to trade, in the following order:front, back, both sides, bracelet stretch, in the dark w/full charge to lume, zoom in on hand stack, zoom in on dial fonts, outside w/natural lighting, pic of everything you will include in the sale w/todays local newspaper.
8. No
9. Giddy up
10. Uh, your gettin 'warmer'
11. How about givin me your phone number?
12. Are you on drugs?
13. Have you been drinkin the fire water again?
14. Yes
15. Maybe, if you throw in ___________ into the sale
16. Maybe, if you remove ____________from the sale
17. You pay shipping & insurance and all fees (PayPal) for everything in the transaction
18. Shouldnt you be standin on a ledge somewhere?
19. Yes, we have a deal !!!
20. Can I get back to you after I sell the piece
21. I am no longer selling this piece
22. Someone has bought this, so snooze ya lose !
23. Ever dance with the Devil under a pale moon light?
24. Deals off !
25. No, I am no longer interested in your offer
26. Someone has outbid you
27. Feel free to step off that ledge
28. I cant accept your offer now, someone has made me a better offer
29. Your offer annoys me
30. Are you serious?
31. You cant be serious
32. Wow, you make me feel like dancin !
33. I hear your mom callin you
34. Dont you love it when a deal comes together!
35. My eBay feedback is 98 precent, the two percent negatives was nothin to do with fake watches - honest !
36. I cant do this deal now, I am keeping it after all
37. Leave me alone

[Paul B]

Supply and demand.



Paul

[snowbird]

There may also be some buyers who are dreaming . . . would like the watch but don't want to (or can't) pay the selling price, even if it's a reasonable price.

On the other hand, if a watch sits on the market for a long time, that generally means the price is too high, even if the seller thinks it's a reasonable one . . . then the seller has to decide whether to lower the price, or just keep the watch if it's not worth selling at a lower price.