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p_mcgee · 25 November 2010, 08:51 AM

Looking at GMT Master 2 16710.

Same dealer has a D series with box but no papers, and a K series with box and papers.

I think the K is about 5 years older.

The watches are the same price, bezel color, and appear to be in similar condition, with the D perhaps 3 or 4% better.

I'm unlikely to sell it in the next 3 to 5 years, if ever (but I always say that). This should be a daily wearer.

Which would you pick? Any guidance from the TRF pros would be greatly appreciated!

Newportkrieger · 25 November 2010, 08:54 AM

Identical watches and price?... take the boxes and papers!

Congrats on choosing a great watch!

WTB007 · 26 November 2010, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Newportkrieger

Identical watches and price?... take the boxes and papers!

Congrats on choosing a great watch!

I would never buy without papers and authentication. Without that, I treat it like a fake. No proof = might as well be fake.

Dilemma · 26 November 2010, 09:43 AM

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I would never buy without papers

This is just my opinion, but paper/no paper is not a deal breaker and long as its authentic.

TimeToGo · 25 November 2010, 08:55 AM

Do you know service history?

p_mcgee · 25 November 2010, 09:05 AM

No, don't know service history. Both were trade-ins at a brick and mortar watch store.

TimeToGo · 25 November 2010, 09:08 AM

If you end up servicing either, specially at an RSC, the papers on the "D" will be just as good as the "K"....

Look at the condition, dings, bracelet wear (all links?), holes / no holes...

Newportkrieger · 25 November 2010, 09:20 AM

Same warranty from the retailer?

p_mcgee · 25 November 2010, 09:26 AM

same 1 year warranty..very reputable place

jekuo · 25 November 2010, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TimeToGo

If you end up servicing either, specially at an RSC, the papers on the "D" will be just as good as the "K"....

Look at the condition, dings, bracelet wear (all links?), holes / no holes...

Papers from a service at RSC should be just as good to authenticate the piece. I'd buy the newer D model in that case. Most non-Wis won't care too much either way, as long as it is genuine. If you really want the complete package, then buy the K.

Newportkrieger · 25 November 2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jekuo

Papers from a service at RSC should be just as good to authenticate the piece. I'd buy the newer D model in that case. Most non-Wis won't care too much either way, as long as it is genuine. If you really want the complete package, then buy the K.

I am of the opposite view that in the secondary market if he ever wants to sell his 16710, the original books and papers providing the provenance of the watch can add to its resale value or at least to its marketability.

Dan Pierce · 25 November 2010, 10:43 AM

K series w/ SEL's and lug holes.

dP

Saxon007 · 26 November 2010, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

K series w/ SEL's and lug holes.

dP

jdc · 26 November 2010, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

K series w/ SEL's and lug holes.

dP

x2

jdc · 26 November 2010, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

K series w/ SEL's and lug holes.

dP

Mine

Le Chef · 25 November 2010, 11:10 AM

Wait. There are plenty more out there. Be more ruthless and wait for what you really want. The papers though are key. Given the choice I would always go for the watch with papers, and would never go for one without. There is no free lunch.

sea-dweller · 26 November 2010, 02:32 AM

I would get the one with B&P's

CPTL · 26 November 2010, 04:04 AM

I would definitely get the K with lug holes.

buz-lh · 26 November 2010, 07:18 AM

What Dan & Kevin said. K with lugholes and sel's.

p_mcgee · 26 November 2010, 08:15 AM

Thanks for all the input. Tough decision, but if I decide to take one of these it will be the K.

Speed · 26 November 2010, 08:41 AM

Good for you. I have a D Series with all provenance. That said, a similarly minty K (with the holeys) and provenance would get the not from me!

25 November 2010, 08:51 AM	#1
p_mcgee "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,150	tough GMT choice...need advice! Looking at GMT Master 2 16710. Same dealer has a D series with box but no papers, and a K series with box and papers. I think the K is about 5 years older. The watches are the same price, bezel color, and appear to be in similar condition, with the D perhaps 3 or 4% better. I'm unlikely to sell it in the next 3 to 5 years, if ever (but I always say that). This should be a daily wearer. Which would you pick? Any guidance from the TRF pros would be greatly appreciated!

25 November 2010, 10:43 AM	#12
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 36,216	K series w/ SEL's and lug holes. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

26 November 2010, 02:32 AM	#17
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	I would get the one with B&P's __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

26 November 2010, 04:04 AM	#18
CPTL "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Kevin Location: Texas on my mind Watch: Sub Date; SS/WG DJ Posts: 2,445	I would definitely get the K with lug holes. __________________ 16610 Submariner Date; D Serial 16234 DateJust SS with WG Fluted Bezel & Jubillee, White Roman Dial; F Serial 16570 Explorer II White Dial; M Serial And Hers: 78240 Mid-Size DateJust SS with Domed Bezel & Oyster, White Roman; D Serial

26 November 2010, 07:18 AM	#19
buz-lh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Buz Location: Atlanta Watch: Rolex Tudor Pam Posts: 5,108	What Dan & Kevin said. K with lugholes and sel's. __________________ Buz The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live. Peter Diamandis

25 November 2010, 08:54 AM	#2
Newportkrieger Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Steve Location: Newport Beach, CA Watch: GMT Master Pepsi Posts: 1,243	Identical watches and price?... take the boxes and papers! Congrats on choosing a great watch!

25 November 2010, 08:55 AM	#5
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,736	Do you know service history?

25 November 2010, 09:05 AM	#6
p_mcgee "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,150	No, don't know service history. Both were trade-ins at a brick and mortar watch store.

25 November 2010, 09:08 AM	#7
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,736	If you end up servicing either, specially at an RSC, the papers on the "D" will be just as good as the "K".... Look at the condition, dings, bracelet wear (all links?), holes / no holes...

25 November 2010, 09:20 AM	#8
Newportkrieger Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Steve Location: Newport Beach, CA Watch: GMT Master Pepsi Posts: 1,243	Same warranty from the retailer?

25 November 2010, 09:26 AM	#9
p_mcgee "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,150	same 1 year warranty..very reputable place

25 November 2010, 11:10 AM	#16
Le Chef "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,005	Wait. There are plenty more out there. Be more ruthless and wait for what you really want. The papers though are key. Given the choice I would always go for the watch with papers, and would never go for one without. There is no free lunch.

26 November 2010, 08:15 AM	#20
p_mcgee "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,150	Thanks for all the input. Tough decision, but if I decide to take one of these it will be the K.

26 November 2010, 08:41 AM	#21
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Good for you. I have a D Series with all provenance. That said, a similarly minty K (with the holeys) and provenance would get the not from me!

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