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jblaze · 1 March 2011, 06:41 AM

I've recently purchased a Rolex Sub (non ceramic) and love it. I'm 99.9% sure it's real, as the seller has a lot of references. However, I came across these "Grade 1 Swiss replicas" which use ETA movements and even have the etched crown in the crystal (and the ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX on the inner bezel). I won't link to any of their sites, since I don't want to promote any of them.

I'm sure I'm paranoid, but is there a way (besides opening up the caseback) to tell one of these fakes from a real Rolex? I was comforted by the laser crown and ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX, but not I'm (slightly) concerned. Thanks!

MikeyMouseWatch · 1 March 2011, 06:44 AM

I had a fake Rolex which a Jewler I went in to ask about, told me he was suspect it was a replica simply due to the weight difference. He spotted the anomaly just by holding it in his hand, no scale was needed.

NHav8or · 29 March 2011, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeyMouseWatch

I had a fake Rolex which a Jewler I went in to ask about, told me he was suspect it was a replica simply due to the weight difference. He spotted the anomaly just by holding it in his hand, no scale was needed.

That is absolutely NO way to tell a gen from a fake. I've been told my gen 5513 is fake for the same reason. Everyone thinks Gens weigh a ton. But between the tropic 19 crystal instead of a sapphire, and the 7206 bracelet, which is a far cry thinner and lighter than modern oyster bands, it's a fairly light watch.

bayerische · 1 March 2011, 06:44 AM

Take it to an AD.

Or buy the seller not the watch.

I wouldn't want to be 99.9% sure, I need to be 100% sure.

bellvederecar · 1 March 2011, 06:45 AM

try doing a search on this forum under watchout. it might help.

Rolex116520 · 1 March 2011, 07:19 AM

Post some good shots of the watch

gqllc · 1 March 2011, 07:32 AM

I want you to set the time. Use the crown and adjust the time. When you turn the crown CLOCKWISE what way do the hands move? Do they move clockwise or counterclockwise?

bayerische · 1 March 2011, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by gqllc

I want you to set the time. Use the crown and adjust the time. When you turn the crown CLOCKWISE what way do the hands move? Do they move clockwise or counterclockwise?

Depends on caliber and model of sub.

3035 counter clockwise
3135 clockwise

gqllc · 1 March 2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bayerische

Depends on caliber and model of sub.

3035 counter clockwise
3135 clockwise

Correct...the clockwise/counterclockwise ONLY works for newer models. The ETA movement in replicas are counterclockwise.
I would only use this on "newer" Rolex's
There are a great deal of replicas of vintage models as well.
3135 was introduced in 1988 I think

jblaze · 1 March 2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by gqllc

I want you to set the time. Use the crown and adjust the time. When you turn the crown CLOCKWISE what way do the hands move? Do they move clockwise or counterclockwise?

When I turn the crown clockwise, the hands move clockwise, and vice versa for counter clockwise. From what I googled, that means it is legit, because an ETA is the opposite, correct? That's a great way to see if a watch is legit.

I bought the seller and he's 100% legit from people's reviews. I really am being a little paranoid, because of the replicas having the ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX and laser etching.

bayerische · 1 March 2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jblaze

When I turn the crown clockwise, the hands move clockwise, and vice versa for counter clockwise. From what I googled, that means it is legit, because an ETA is the opposite, correct? That's a great way to see if a watch is legit.

Look at my post above.

sullycape · 1 March 2011, 07:53 AM

If its a replica it will fall apart.

jblaze · 1 March 2011, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sullycape

If its a replica it will fall apart.

I certainly believe that. I think the stated WR on fakes is like 10m, so they will crumble in a deep pool!

bayerische · 1 March 2011, 08:55 AM

Why not take a few pics?

What model sub is it? 16610?

mickyvee · 1 March 2011, 09:11 AM

If I had any doubts whatsoever about my 16610, I'd take it to an AD, and let them take a look. Peace of mind is priceless!

Kevin B · 1 March 2011, 09:13 AM

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If its a replica it will fall apart.

That's a pretty bold statement. Is it based on any personal experience or fact?

Jan Davis · 1 March 2011, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sullycape

If its a replica it will fall apart.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin B

That's a pretty bold statement. Is it based on any personal experience or fact?

lol

sullycape · 2 March 2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin B

That's a pretty bold statement. Is it based on any personal experience or fact?

Yea I actually bought one when I was 19 in the Bahamas, it fell apart in about a week.

heygawgaw · 7 November 2017, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sullycape

Yea I actually bought one when I was 19 in the Bahamas, it fell apart in about a week.

how much did you pay for the fake,may I ask?

GLADIATOR · 7 November 2017, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by heygawgaw

how much did you pay for the fake,may I ask?

Why are we discussing fakes here!!!
We dont care what it costs, because its worthless and illegal

jblaze · 1 March 2011, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bayerische

Why not take a few pics?

What model sub is it? 16610?

Yes, it's a 16610 with a random serial # (made in I think 2009 or early 2010).

I'll try and take pics with my camera tomorrow.

gqllc · 1 March 2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jblaze

Yes, it's a 16610 with a random serial # (made in I think 2009 or early 2010).

I'll try and take pics with my camera tomorrow.

Z serial numbers were the most common Sub replicas but now they are adding M and V series. I have never seen a random as of yet
To be precise Z754008 has been used on multiple replicas

Rolex116520 · 1 March 2011, 09:25 AM

There is only one grade of counterfeits ... DEgrade .

kizerman · 1 March 2011, 11:44 AM

Open the caseback then you'll be 100% one way or the other.

eelpie · 1 March 2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rolex116520

There is only one grade of counterfeits ... DEgrade .

The idea of one worthless fake being better than another is ludicrous.

sylvain8 · 26 March 2011, 09:33 PM

noise!!! a fake is fiel noizy than a real one, easy to be sure

mountainrivera · 27 March 2011, 04:59 AM

Rotors in the real deal are silent. Not so in replicas. Put in on your wrist and shake to and fro.

SUPERDOC · 27 March 2011, 05:04 AM

The position of the crown on the case is a dead giveaway.

The ETA movement will demand that the crown sit lower.

Look at the watch in profile from either the 12 o'clock or 6 o'clock position...

wear does the crown sit - if more of the crown sits below the mid point, it's fake.

NHav8or · 29 March 2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jblaze

I'm sure I'm paranoid, but is there a way (besides opening up the caseback) to tell one of these fakes from a real Rolex? I was comforted by the laser crown and ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX, but not I'm (slightly) concerned. Thanks!

Can you actually see the etched coronet without close examination - i.e. when it's on your wrist can you -clearly- see the crown? You shouldn't be able to.

Does the RolexRolexRolex line up correctly? The coronet should be directly above the 12 marker. Directly next to the date an X should perfectly align. Next to the 9 marker an R should also line up perfectly.

Also, what serial number is etched there at 6? Go back to your replica site. Does the number match? Oops, Many replicas have the same serial number.

Atsol · 7 November 2017, 06:54 AM

Hello Everyone, I'm new to the forum so please be gentle but see the post and had to reply..

I have many family members and friends with Genuine Rolex watches however none of my own. I have recently married and for the occasion was wearing one of my brothers Rolex for the special day..
Seen by many of my neighbors who were also at the ceremony. One of them has now, some months later and not knowing that I know little about watches asked me to do checks on hes known fake item.. Why me!

Bought from Turkey as a fake but very interestingly the post below has really help me explain to him just how clever the counterfeits are becoming.

When looking for this model on the internet I've been unable to find a model even close..(don't think site rules allow photos ?) however nearly all of your points have been checked below and have been very interesting to tick off. Please see below on my findings on a good known Fake..

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX spot on and aligned absolutely perfectly.

Laser etched crown on the crystal aligned spot on (only visible with 2X eye glass..

Watch (with bracelet ) weighs 182 grams , he thinks he had just one link removed.

Crown rotates clockwise to adjust clockwise.

No:754008

I also did a slow motion video of the hand moving and it pulses 7 beats a second..

And a very noisy automatic movement.

Number as mentioned by one of the members was a real home run....

Atsol.

1 March 2011, 06:41 AM	#1
jblaze Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Philly Posts: 24	How do you tell a real Submariner from a Grade 1 replica? I've recently purchased a Rolex Sub (non ceramic) and love it. I'm 99.9% sure it's real, as the seller has a lot of references. However, I came across these "Grade 1 Swiss replicas" which use ETA movements and even have the etched crown in the crystal (and the ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX on the inner bezel). I won't link to any of their sites, since I don't want to promote any of them. I'm sure I'm paranoid, but is there a way (besides opening up the caseback) to tell one of these fakes from a real Rolex? I was comforted by the laser crown and ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX, but not I'm (slightly) concerned. Thanks!

1 March 2011, 06:44 AM	#4
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Take it to an AD. Or buy the seller not the watch. I wouldn't want to be 99.9% sure, I need to be 100% sure. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

1 March 2011, 07:32 AM	#7
gqllc "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Steve Location: Albany NY Watch: Blue Bezel SubC Posts: 1,511	I want you to set the time. Use the crown and adjust the time. When you turn the crown CLOCKWISE what way do the hands move? Do they move clockwise or counterclockwise? __________________ K-TT Datejust, Random Blue Bezel SubC

1 March 2011, 08:55 AM	#14
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Why not take a few pics? What model sub is it? 16610? __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

27 March 2011, 04:59 AM	#27
mountainrivera "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Mike Location: Staten Island Posts: 256	Rotors in the real deal are silent. Not so in replicas. Put in on your wrist and shake to and fro. __________________ "A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." Jack Dempsey

1 March 2011, 06:44 AM	#2
MikeyMouseWatch Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Laboratory Posts: 114	I had a fake Rolex which a Jewler I went in to ask about, told me he was suspect it was a replica simply due to the weight difference. He spotted the anomaly just by holding it in his hand, no scale was needed.

1 March 2011, 06:45 AM	#5
bellvederecar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: d Location: boston Watch: all Posts: 324	try doing a search on this forum under watchout. it might help.

1 March 2011, 07:19 AM	#6
Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	Post some good shots of the watch

1 March 2011, 07:53 AM	#12
sullycape Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Brian Location: Bass River Watch: OYSTER DATE Posts: 32	If its a replica it will fall apart.

1 March 2011, 09:11 AM	#15
mickyvee Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: mick vigano Location: UK Watch: SS Sub 16610 Posts: 263	If I had any doubts whatsoever about my 16610, I'd take it to an AD, and let them take a look. Peace of mind is priceless!

1 March 2011, 09:25 AM	#23
Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	There is only one grade of counterfeits ... DEgrade .

1 March 2011, 11:44 AM	#24
kizerman Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 577	Open the caseback then you'll be 100% one way or the other.

26 March 2011, 09:33 PM	#26
sylvain8 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: france Posts: 17	noise!!! a fake is fiel noizy than a real one, easy to be sure

27 March 2011, 05:04 AM	#28
SUPERDOC "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: R.J. Location: Canada Posts: 1,546	The position of the crown on the case is a dead giveaway. The ETA movement will demand that the crown sit lower. Look at the watch in profile from either the 12 o'clock or 6 o'clock position... wear does the crown sit - if more of the crown sits below the mid point, it's fake.

7 November 2017, 06:54 AM	#30
Atsol "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: london Posts: 1	Known Fake Rolex Hello Everyone, I'm new to the forum so please be gentle but see the post and had to reply.. I have many family members and friends with Genuine Rolex watches however none of my own. I have recently married and for the occasion was wearing one of my brothers Rolex for the special day.. Seen by many of my neighbors who were also at the ceremony. One of them has now, some months later and not knowing that I know little about watches asked me to do checks on hes known fake item.. Why me! Bought from Turkey as a fake but very interestingly the post below has really help me explain to him just how clever the counterfeits are becoming. When looking for this model on the internet I've been unable to find a model even close..(don't think site rules allow photos ?) however nearly all of your points have been checked below and have been very interesting to tick off. Please see below on my findings on a good known Fake.. ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX spot on and aligned absolutely perfectly. Laser etched crown on the crystal aligned spot on (only visible with 2X eye glass.. Watch (with bracelet ) weighs 182 grams , he thinks he had just one link removed. Crown rotates clockwise to adjust clockwise. No:754008 I also did a slow motion video of the hand moving and it pulses 7 beats a second.. And a very noisy automatic movement. Number as mentioned by one of the members was a real home run.... Atsol.

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