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syahriltaher · 10 May 2007, 04:10 PM

Hi guys,

Currently I wear this Rolex 18k YG 18238 DD as daily beater. But recently, a friend of mine offered me his 18kYG PP Calatrava (Ref.3998). When I asked about the price, he said he is willing to take my DD for that and I need to pay nothing.

As I am new with PP, I don't know if it's a good deal or not.

I post the same question in Patek's forum in Timezone. And you know the answer, they suggest me to swap my DD with the Calatrava. But I still love my DD very much. Your opinion on this matter would be highly appreciated.

Regards,

Syahril

Nick Hacko · 10 May 2007, 05:00 PM

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padi56 · 10 May 2007, 05:36 PM

Myself although not a huge fan of gold watches would keep the 18238.Agree Patek make some very fine movements,but they are not so forgiving as the Rolex movements, Pateks need a bit more care and attention.But the final choice must be yours if you love your DD keep it.

10 May 2007, 09:09 PM

Only you can decide but the 3998 lists for about $15K.

Flyjet601 · 10 May 2007, 10:20 PM

Keep the DD.....

John Ireland · 11 May 2007, 01:17 AM

The Patek is nice...and the lust to have one was strong...but the experience didn't live up to the fantasy and now I really miss my DD. And I think the Patek market is getting very soft...and will get even softer.

PP makes beautiful jewelery that somehow (for me) never rises to the level of tool. Rolex (for me) makes a beautiful tool that over the years has become wearable as jewelery.

haakon59 · 11 May 2007, 01:43 AM

I can't tell you anything useful about the comparative pricing of the two pieces because I only follow them occasionally, but I do think both PP and Rolex tend to be the best overall performers in general when it comes to pricing in the secondary markets.

From what you said, it sounds like you have a strong emotional bond to your DD Rolex, so why trade? Even if you make a few bucks, if you don't like the PP as much, even though you know you "should" because it's a very fine brand and watch, it doesn't seem like you will get the same emotional satisfaction out of wearing it, so why do this? If you want the PP because you want to impress others, well, I think Rolex is a far more recognized brand by the general public, but I suppose it depends on who you want to impress. PP makes a fine watch, but they cost a lot to service and you will have to service them pretty regularly whereas Rolex watches are cheap to service by comparison and they get your watch back to you in a month or so while PP will often take 6 months. So it all depends on what you take pleasure in. Some people would never be happy with a relatively common watch like a Rolex and would never be happy until they bought the PP. Others would have just the opposite reaction.

syahriltaher · 11 May 2007, 11:44 AM

Thanks for your opinions guys (John, JJ, Larry, Padi, Hackon)...

I agree with most of you guys, beside I'm still wondering until now, why my friend is wanting my DD so much that he is willing to trade his beloved Calatrava with it...I think there must be something behind it.... :))

Regards,

Otto · 11 May 2007, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syahriltaher

Hi guys,

Currently I wear this Rolex 18k YG 18238 DD as daily beater. But recently, a friend of mine offered me his 18kYG PP Calatrava (Ref.3998). When I asked about the price, he said he is willing to take my DD for that and I need to pay nothing.

As I am new with PP, I don't know if it's a good deal or not.

I post the same question in Patek's forum in Timezone. And you know the answer, they suggest me to swap my DD with the Calatrava. But I still love my DD very much. Your opinion on this matter would be highly appreciated.

Regards,

Syahril

Nice Day-Date. I'd keep it.

kenlperry · 12 May 2007, 03:42 AM

That Day-Date is quite nice. I'd like to see the PP before I give my opinion though. Anyone got pics of what it looks like???

10 May 2007, 04:10 PM	#1
syahriltaher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Real Name: Syahril Location: Bogor, Indonesia Watch: Rolex, Omega Posts: 650	18238 DD or PP Calatrava ???(Need your Advice) Hi guys, Currently I wear this Rolex 18k YG 18238 DD as daily beater. But recently, a friend of mine offered me his 18kYG PP Calatrava (Ref.3998). When I asked about the price, he said he is willing to take my DD for that and I need to pay nothing. As I am new with PP, I don't know if it's a good deal or not. I post the same question in Patek's forum in Timezone. And you know the answer, they suggest me to swap my DD with the Calatrava. But I still love my DD very much. Your opinion on this matter would be highly appreciated. Regards, Syahril Attached Images __________________ - Rolex RG Daytona 116505 - Rolex SS Submariner "Hulk" - Rolex SS Sky Dweller "Black Dial" - Rolex SS GMT Master II 16710 "Coke" - Rolex GMT Master II CHNR "Rootbeer" TT - Rolex SS Daytona Ceramic 116500LN "Black Dial" - Rolex 126710 "New Batman" 2022 - Rolex SS/WG Datejust 41 126334 "Blue Roman" - Panerai "PAM 88" GMT - Omega New Moonwatch 3861

10 May 2007, 05:00 PM	#2
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10 May 2007, 05:36 PM	#3
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,062	Myself although not a huge fan of gold watches would keep the 18238.Agree Patek make some very fine movements,but they are not so forgiving as the Rolex movements, Pateks need a bit more care and attention.But the final choice must be yours if you love your DD keep it. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

11 May 2007, 01:17 AM	#6
John Ireland "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 191	I made the same basic trade...and now regret it... The Patek is nice...and the lust to have one was strong...but the experience didn't live up to the fantasy and now I really miss my DD. And I think the Patek market is getting very soft...and will get even softer. PP makes beautiful jewelery that somehow (for me) never rises to the level of tool. Rolex (for me) makes a beautiful tool that over the years has become wearable as jewelery.

11 May 2007, 11:44 AM	#8
syahriltaher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Real Name: Syahril Location: Bogor, Indonesia Watch: Rolex, Omega Posts: 650	Thanks for your opinions guys (John, JJ, Larry, Padi, Hackon)... I agree with most of you guys, beside I'm still wondering until now, why my friend is wanting my DD so much that he is willing to trade his beloved Calatrava with it...I think there must be something behind it.... :)) Regards, __________________ - Rolex RG Daytona 116505 - Rolex SS Submariner "Hulk" - Rolex SS Sky Dweller "Black Dial" - Rolex SS GMT Master II 16710 "Coke" - Rolex GMT Master II CHNR "Rootbeer" TT - Rolex SS Daytona Ceramic 116500LN "Black Dial" - Rolex 126710 "New Batman" 2022 - Rolex SS/WG Datejust 41 126334 "Blue Roman" - Panerai "PAM 88" GMT - Omega New Moonwatch 3861

10 May 2007, 09:09 PM	#4
---- Guest Posts: n/a	Only you can decide but the 3998 lists for about $15K.

10 May 2007, 10:20 PM	#5
Flyjet601 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hong Kong Watch: All of them Posts: 2,789	Keep the DD.....

11 May 2007, 01:43 AM	#7
haakon59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,571	I can't tell you anything useful about the comparative pricing of the two pieces because I only follow them occasionally, but I do think both PP and Rolex tend to be the best overall performers in general when it comes to pricing in the secondary markets. From what you said, it sounds like you have a strong emotional bond to your DD Rolex, so why trade? Even if you make a few bucks, if you don't like the PP as much, even though you know you "should" because it's a very fine brand and watch, it doesn't seem like you will get the same emotional satisfaction out of wearing it, so why do this? If you want the PP because you want to impress others, well, I think Rolex is a far more recognized brand by the general public, but I suppose it depends on who you want to impress. PP makes a fine watch, but they cost a lot to service and you will have to service them pretty regularly whereas Rolex watches are cheap to service by comparison and they get your watch back to you in a month or so while PP will often take 6 months. So it all depends on what you take pleasure in. Some people would never be happy with a relatively common watch like a Rolex and would never be happy until they bought the PP. Others would have just the opposite reaction.

12 May 2007, 03:42 AM	#10
kenlperry "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: KP Location: Washington D.C. Watch: Rolex 19018 Posts: 232	That Day-Date is quite nice. I'd like to see the PP before I give my opinion though. Anyone got pics of what it looks like??? __________________ "Promise Less and Do more"

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