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03cobraa · 11 April 2011, 07:48 AM

Hello everyone!
I have been looking around on here for a little while now, trying to make a decision on which watch to buy. I have found a (F 2004) 16610 Submariner that is at a Rolex AD just back from RSC for service. It has the box, hang tag anchor, etc, for $4400.00. The AD also has a new 116610 Submariner ceramic, that I can get for $6400.00 Both prices plus tax. I have the cash to buy either one, just trying to decide which is the better deal. I love them both and both would make me happy. If I had the 16610, I dont think I could trade it up to the 11610 for the $2000.00 difference. Would either of these be more sought after 10 years from now? Thoughts??

Danand · 11 April 2011, 07:54 AM

Don't worry about future value, buy which you prefer. There are two distinct camps on this forum so you will get advice either way. Doesn't matter so long as you're happy.
Try them on side by side so to speak, and one should stand out.
The other is do you like new or are you ok with preowned? To some it makes no difference, others such as myself I like to be the original owner ( admittedly at a financial cost). Good luck!

Dr. Robert · 11 April 2011, 07:57 AM

Which one do you like better?
The 16610 is no longer made......the 116610 is the new model & will made for a while.
I'd get the 16610, invest the $2000. & maybe down the line p/up a pre-owned 116610.

dddrees · 11 April 2011, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danand

don't worry about future value, buy which you prefer. There are two distinct camps on this forum so you will get advice either way. Doesn't matter so long as you're happy.
Try them on side by side so to speak, and one should stand out.
The other is do you like new or are you ok with preowned? To some it makes no difference, others such as myself i like to be the original owner ( admittedly at a financial cost). Good luck!

x2

spuds · 11 April 2011, 07:56 AM

I was in the exact same position as you last year mate & quite simply it was the upgraded/modernised calsp & bracelet that swung it for me.

IN MY OPINION the old-style/classic 'tin foil' clasp simply detracted from the 'value' of the watch so much that I simply couldn't tolerate it.

But forget the resale value ten years down the line & buy whichever you like best & want to wear now.

Welcome to the forum by the way....

watchf · 11 April 2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spuds

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IN MY OPINION the old-style/classic 'tin foil' clasp simply detracted from the 'value' of the watch so much that I simply couldn't tolerate it.

+1 to that. Stamped clasp really put it down a level but there is no choice in some current models sadly.

sleddog · 11 April 2011, 07:57 AM

The one you like the most is the one you should purchase!

There's no point in settling for one just because it "May" hold it's value better...

(213)GMT · 12 April 2011, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleddog

The one you like the most is the one you should purchase!

x10

CoopJr · 11 April 2011, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 03cobraa

Hello everyone!
I have been looking around on here for a little while now, trying to make a decision on which watch to buy. I have found a (F 2004) 16610 Submariner that is at a Rolex AD just back from RSC for service. It has the box, hang tag anchor, etc, for $4400.00. The AD also has a new 116610 Submariner ceramic, that I can get for $6400.00 Both prices plus tax. I have the cash to buy either one, just trying to decide which is the better deal. I love them both and both would make me happy. If I had the 16610, I dont think I could trade it up to the 11610 for the $2000.00 difference. Would either of these be more sought after 10 years from now? Thoughts??

I think the numbers of production will prevent either from really being "sought after" if you mean in a collectible sense. I'm lucky to have a 16610 and a TT SubC. I dont consider one better than the other because, IMO, they are quite different. But if pressed to choose...if I were you...I'd go ceramic.

bscepter · 11 April 2011, 08:06 AM

i went through exactly the same dilemma a while back, opting for the older model. and i must say, i'm glad i did. the new sub just doesn't look like a sub to me. your mileage will vary, of course.

but that beings, said, i paid $6k for my 16610 (new, at the AD), and you've got the opportunity to may not a lot more than that for the new model, which despite not looking like a sub to me, is a mechanically superior watch.

so, yeah... tough decision!

Caraptor · 11 April 2011, 09:28 AM

They are both good watches. I prefer the older 16610, but that's because it's the watch I've wanted for so many years. If you haven't built any kind of "relationship" with a particular Sub model, then I say buy the one that you like the looks of the best on your wrist.

usbzoso · 11 April 2011, 09:36 AM

16610

scl6118 · 11 April 2011, 01:37 PM

New one is better!

wokafu · 11 April 2011, 01:55 PM

If its your 1st SUB..I'll suggest you to go for the 16610..reason being its a classic and have all the 'basic' features that makes a SUB great...maybe when you know how to appreciate all the features...you be able to appreciate all the upgrades..just my 2cents.

watchf · 11 April 2011, 03:22 PM

I would get the 116610. Actually that was exactly what I did! All the new features drew me to it.

henrylee · 11 April 2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 03cobraa

The AD also has a new 116610 Submariner ceramic, that I can get for $6400.00 Both prices plus tax.

Where can you get a new Sub C for $6400 plus tax at a AD???

bscepter · 11 April 2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by henrylee

Where can you get a new Sub C for $6400 plus tax at a AD???

that can't be right. certainly not for a new watch. that's almost a grand below retail. if an AD did that on a current watch, they'd be in peril of losing their franchise.

Rolexsub16610 · 12 April 2011, 12:21 AM

Buy the 16610.(undisputed classic)
Invest the 2k on silver bullion/coin.
Sell the silver after 5 years - your investment will quadruple.
Then buy the new subc.

Danand · 12 April 2011, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolexsub16610

Buy the 16610.(undisputed classic)
Invest the 2k on silver bullion/coin.
Sell the silver after 5 years - your investment will quadruple.
Then buy the new subc.

Many would say the pre 16610 are the classics; in twenty years the subc will be the "classic". Time changes.
Love the Retard Boy.

jeremyam · 12 April 2011, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by henrylee

Where can you get a new Sub C for $6400 plus tax at a AD???

yup, live in Canada and an AD is selling the SUBC, cash price of $6500 all in...
comes with 1 year rolex warranty and the usual junk...

03cobraa · 12 April 2011, 07:21 AM

Well I took the advise of 50.09% of the forum! I'm getting the 116610!
This morning I called the AD that I visited on Saturday and... IT WAS GONE! I was torn! I started calling other Ad's to check stock. I was in luck! It turns out an AD that I will be near on buisness next week has one in stock! I actually got a better deal. CASH TALKS! THis week is going to take foreverrrrrrr.
I CANT WAIT!!!
Love the pics SADDLESC!! You tipped the scales!

Andad · 11 April 2011, 05:42 PM

I like my old model but the new clasp is hard to pass up.
I will buy a new model as soon as they hit Aus$6000.

997Opus · 11 April 2011, 05:55 PM

IMHO I would get the 16610, and take the extra $2K and use it towards your next Rolex purchase. You know it's going to happen, you are already infected with the disease..... Welcome to TRF.

travisb · 11 April 2011, 06:31 PM

Try them on side by side and take your time.
You will find an almost even # here on the forum on who prefers what.
I like the new ceramic model for the case, clasp, dial etc. but thats just me.
Good luck and let us know what happens (with pics

)

Sub'erman · 11 April 2011, 06:55 PM

Have both. Love them. But alas; only the new gets wrist time as of now..

ASW1 · 11 April 2011, 07:14 PM

Had the old, have the new. Get the new IMO.

For me the improvements are well worth the extra outlay. If you want a 'tool' watch get a Casio, if you want a smart expensive piece of jewellery (aka a Rolex) get the one that looks and feels what it cost.

Here a few pics to tempt you - from when I got mine last August ....

My favourite picture:

To save people asking - 6.85"ish wrist

Kanger · 12 April 2011, 12:23 AM

I have owned both, and prefer the 16610 immensely over the ceramic.

Wooddog44 · 19 September 2017, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanger

I have owned both, and prefer the 16610 immensely over the ceramic.

While clearly biased I honestly prefer the 5 digit "look" of both my Sub and DJ to their 6 digit counterparts but the newer bracelets are better...

learningtofly · 12 April 2011, 12:32 AM

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=170887

Just saying...

SaddleSC · 12 April 2011, 12:33 AM

Go for the Sub C...it truly is an amazing watch.

11 April 2011, 07:48 AM	#1
03cobraa "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Kelly Location: In the Bluegrass Watch: 116610LN Posts: 550	Please help me choose! 116610 or 16610? Hello everyone! I have been looking around on here for a little while now, trying to make a decision on which watch to buy. I have found a (F 2004) 16610 Submariner that is at a Rolex AD just back from RSC for service. It has the box, hang tag anchor, etc, for $4400.00. The AD also has a new 116610 Submariner ceramic, that I can get for $6400.00 Both prices plus tax. I have the cash to buy either one, just trying to decide which is the better deal. I love them both and both would make me happy. If I had the 16610, I dont think I could trade it up to the 11610 for the $2000.00 difference. Would either of these be more sought after 10 years from now? Thoughts??

11 April 2011, 07:57 AM	#3
Dr. Robert 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 64,248	Which one do you like better? The 16610 is no longer made......the 116610 is the new model & will made for a while. I'd get the 16610, invest the $2000. & maybe down the line p/up a pre-owned 116610. __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

11 April 2011, 07:56 AM	#5
spuds "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Dan Location: Essex, UK Watch: West Ham! COYI!! Posts: 7,941	I was in the exact same position as you last year mate & quite simply it was the upgraded/modernised calsp & bracelet that swung it for me. IN MY OPINION the old-style/classic 'tin foil' clasp simply detracted from the 'value' of the watch so much that I simply couldn't tolerate it. But forget the resale value ten years down the line & buy whichever you like best & want to wear now. Welcome to the forum by the way.... __________________ Onwards & Upwards Rodders...... Onwards & Upwards. Life is not about how fast you can run or how high you can climb........... It's about how well you can bounce!! TRF HALL OF FAME JANUARY 2010

11 April 2011, 07:57 AM	#7
sleddog TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Nearby. Posts: 24,931	The one you like the most is the one you should purchase! There's no point in settling for one just because it "May" hold it's value better... __________________ He who wears a Rolex is always on time, even when late!! TRF's "After Dark" Bar & Nightclub Patron-Founding Member..

11 April 2011, 08:06 AM	#10
bscepter "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Patrick Location: Omaha Watch: 16610 Submariner Posts: 948	i went through exactly the same dilemma a while back, opting for the older model. and i must say, i'm glad i did. the new sub just doesn't look like a sub to me. your mileage will vary, of course. but that beings, said, i paid $6k for my 16610 (new, at the AD), and you've got the opportunity to may not a lot more than that for the new model, which despite not looking like a sub to me, is a mechanically superior watch. so, yeah... tough decision! __________________ 2009 16610 Submariner Date 1971 1601 Datejust 1966 Omega Seamaster 1965 Vulcain Voyager Chronograph

11 April 2011, 07:54 AM	#2
Danand "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Jonathan Location: Ottawa Watch: 116610LN Posts: 1,246	Don't worry about future value, buy which you prefer. There are two distinct camps on this forum so you will get advice either way. Doesn't matter so long as you're happy. Try them on side by side so to speak, and one should stand out. The other is do you like new or are you ok with preowned? To some it makes no difference, others such as myself I like to be the original owner ( admittedly at a financial cost). Good luck!

11 April 2011, 09:28 AM	#11
Caraptor Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: me save for it. Posts: 444	They are both good watches. I prefer the older 16610, but that's because it's the watch I've wanted for so many years. If you haven't built any kind of "relationship" with a particular Sub model, then I say buy the one that you like the looks of the best on your wrist.

11 April 2011, 09:36 AM	#12
usbzoso Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Stan Location: Dallas Watch: 16610/16600/16800 Posts: 1,231	16610

11 April 2011, 01:37 PM	#13
scl6118 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Shawn Location: United States Watch: SS GMT IIC Posts: 1,624	New one is better! __________________ Current: SS GMT IIC Former: Panerai 114 Former: Breitling Hercules :

11 April 2011, 01:55 PM	#14
wokafu "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Malaysia Watch: SM300+14060M Posts: 2,012	If its your 1st SUB..I'll suggest you to go for the 16610..reason being its a classic and have all the 'basic' features that makes a SUB great...maybe when you know how to appreciate all the features...you be able to appreciate all the upgrades..just my 2cents.

11 April 2011, 03:22 PM	#15
watchf "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 2,458	I would get the 116610. Actually that was exactly what I did! All the new features drew me to it.

12 April 2011, 12:21 AM	#18
Rolexsub16610 Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Dr. Chang Location: Sydney Watch: 16610, 16622 Posts: 34	Buy the 16610.(undisputed classic) Invest the 2k on silver bullion/coin. Sell the silver after 5 years - your investment will quadruple. Then buy the new subc.

12 April 2011, 07:21 AM	#21
03cobraa "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Kelly Location: In the Bluegrass Watch: 116610LN Posts: 550	I did it! 116610 Well I took the advise of 50.09% of the forum! I'm getting the 116610! This morning I called the AD that I visited on Saturday and... IT WAS GONE! I was torn! I started calling other Ad's to check stock. I was in luck! It turns out an AD that I will be near on buisness next week has one in stock! I actually got a better deal. CASH TALKS! THis week is going to take foreverrrrrrr. I CANT WAIT!!! Love the pics SADDLESC!! You tipped the scales!

11 April 2011, 05:42 PM	#22
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,527	I like my old model but the new clasp is hard to pass up. I will buy a new model as soon as they hit Aus$6000. __________________ E

11 April 2011, 05:55 PM	#23
997Opus Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Texas Watch: SS Daytona Posts: 314	IMHO I would get the 16610, and take the extra $2K and use it towards your next Rolex purchase. You know it's going to happen, you are already infected with the disease..... Welcome to TRF.

11 April 2011, 06:31 PM	#24
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,486	It all comes down to which one you like better.. Try them on side by side and take your time. You will find an almost even # here on the forum on who prefers what. I like the new ceramic model for the case, clasp, dial etc. but thats just me. Good luck and let us know what happens (with pics )

11 April 2011, 06:55 PM	#25
Sub'erman "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: SK Location: Greenland Watch: Various SUBs Posts: 473	Have both. Love them. But alas; only the new gets wrist time as of now.. __________________ Founder and CEO of the "BLUME" Club Rolex ref: 14060 - 92', 16600- 06', 116610LN 11' In Da House!! He who only loves one woman and one watch, doesn't truly love women or watches!! "Not all that is countable, counts; and not all that counts, is countable"

11 April 2011, 07:14 PM	#26
ASW1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Posts: 420	Had the old, have the new. Get the new IMO. For me the improvements are well worth the extra outlay. If you want a 'tool' watch get a Casio, if you want a smart expensive piece of jewellery (aka a Rolex) get the one that looks and feels what it cost. Here a few pics to tempt you - from when I got mine last August .... My favourite picture: To save people asking - 6.85"ish wrist

12 April 2011, 12:23 AM	#27
Kanger Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Daniel Location: North Carolina Watch: Sea Dweller Posts: 5,524	I have owned both, and prefer the 16610 immensely over the ceramic.

12 April 2011, 12:32 AM	#29
learningtofly 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Tony Location: London, England Watch: Hmmm... Posts: 2,483	http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=170887 Just saying... __________________ Tony

12 April 2011, 12:33 AM	#30
SaddleSC "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Charles B Location: GMT -7 Watch: Hulk 116610LV Posts: 6,131	Go for the Sub C...it truly is an amazing watch. __________________ Hulk 116610LV + GMT II 126710 BLNR + Explorer 124270 + Air King 126900 + Submariner 16613LB

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