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mcurtisal · 26 April 2011, 10:41 AM

So close to getting scammed by a Patrick Kier in Chino, CA. He agreed to buy my Sub via wire transfer. Instead, he deposited an official check into my account on Thursday evening and included money for Fedex express Monday morning delivery. When I noticed it was not a wire transfer, I called my bank and they said the funds were available, but if I want to be safe, wait 3 business days. Buyer asked for a tracking number but when I advised him to give me the bank tel number so I can verify funds, he went dark. I contacted Premier Valley Bank and they said it was a fake. That was almost an $8,000 loss.

Justjosh · 26 April 2011, 11:17 AM

Nice catch.

What made you take the banks advice on waiting?

johnbeth · 26 April 2011, 11:19 AM

Nice move to wait!

MonBK · 26 April 2011, 11:22 AM

It's unfortunately an old trick and I'm glad you waited it out.

TempoKing · 28 April 2011, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

It's unfortunately an old trick and I'm glad you waited it out.

x2...

steve-o · 26 April 2011, 11:30 AM

Phew. Good call to wait. Checks can take 10 or business days to bounce. Always call the bank...and wait.

sleddog · 26 April 2011, 11:36 AM

Always good to be patient and cross the T's and dot the I's....

A lucky guy not to have been taken!!.

Always be vigilant and extra careful.

watch watcher · 26 April 2011, 11:41 AM

So, is "Patrick Kier" a forum member or was it a deal outside of this place? But yeah, that's the oldest trick in the book. Close call indeed.

mcurtisal · 26 April 2011, 11:49 AM

Patrick Kier just joined the forum this month. What tipped it off was simply the fact that he didn't do what we agreed. What's sad is that the bank didn't even care. All they said was, "sorry, it's not a real account number".
Btw, Google is incredible. I searched the shipping address, found the house for sale and empty, searched the county tax records and found it was bank owned. Took less than 15 minutes to find all of that.

mjm800 · 26 April 2011, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcurtisal

What's sad is that the bank didn't even care.

Yeah the bank doesn't care still I am surprised that they made the full amount available.

When I sold my car the guy gave a cashiers check and my bank would not allow the full amount to be available for 5 days. I complained and said but it's a cashiers check they said people can fake those too sorry but you have to wait.

The check and guy were legit so he agreed to wait.

MonBK · 26 April 2011, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjm800

Yeah the bank doesn't care still I am surprised that they made the full amount available.

When I sold my car the guy gave a cashiers check and my bank would not allow the full amount to be available for 5 days. I complained and said but it's a cashiers check they said people can fake those too sorry but you have to wait.

The check and guy were legit so he agreed to wait.

It depends on your relationship with your bank.
I have immediate credit and can use the funds from the second I deposit it regardless of my balance.

bkandj2000 · 27 April 2011, 11:50 PM

Glad everything worked out to your favor.

Can you share his screen name so others can possibly be aware?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcurtisal

Patrick Kier just joined the forum this month. What tipped it off was simply the fact that he didn't do what we agreed. What's sad is that the bank didn't even care. All they said was, "sorry, it's not a real account number".
Btw, Google is incredible. I searched the shipping address, found the house for sale and empty, searched the county tax records and found it was bank owned. Took less than 15 minutes to find all of that.

heart82 · 28 April 2011, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkandj2000

Glad everything worked out to your favor.

Can you share his screen name so others can possibly be aware?

BELOW HERE IS HIS INFORMATION:

Full Name: Patrick Kier or Jonathan Kier

Address: 6765 VANDERBILT ST
CHINO, CA 91710-1308

Email address: [email protected]

Ph. No. 714 391 4538

heart82 · 28 April 2011, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heart82

BELOW HERE IS HIS INFORMATION:

Full Name: Patrick Kier or Jonathan Kier

Address: 6765 VANDERBILT ST
CHINO, CA 91710-1308

Email address: [email protected]

Ph. No. 714 391 4538

And, His "fake" check looks like this...

Kapture1 · 26 April 2011, 12:09 PM

Always wait the three days until the check clears in that situation.

Good catch

onkyo · 26 April 2011, 03:31 PM

Great decision Mike!

This fake bank check deposit scam is becoming too frequent an occurrence.

swatty · 26 April 2011, 03:36 PM

Wise move, glad you did your homework

cyglee · 26 April 2011, 03:47 PM

Good "spidey-sense" Mike.

It is truly disheartening to read about all these scams.

pdoukas · 27 April 2011, 06:01 AM

This is actually an automated scam on craigslist now. I was trying to sell my mother's wheelchair and they were going to send extra money to cover shipping. I hate these guys but the sad part is it still works and people fall for it. I'm just glad you caught on.

Pete

heart82 · 27 April 2011, 12:54 PM

He contacted me too and i already posted his information on p.com and TZ for people to be aware of.

H

MB7000 · 27 April 2011, 01:01 PM

Will you get a bank charge from your bank on this type of bad check ?

heart82 · 27 April 2011, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MB7000

Will you get a bank charge from your bank on this type of bad check ?

I think so...

MB7000 · 27 April 2011, 01:02 PM

stories like this is what keeps me from selling any of my watches. I'm glad you caught it!!!

mcurtisal · 27 April 2011, 09:41 PM

Yes - bank charges $12 for returned checks. Mgr said to come in when it shows up and he will credit my account. The only "harm" done was that I had seller's remorse and bought another.

usbzoso · 28 April 2011, 07:13 AM

damn crazy story glad you realized what the idiot was up to!

SkyKing31 · 28 April 2011, 09:13 AM

Nice catch .. I am glad you are not out any money or watch

26 April 2011, 10:41 AM	#1
mcurtisal "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: MI Watch: SeaDweller Posts: 873	Fake Premier Valley Bank Official Check So close to getting scammed by a Patrick Kier in Chino, CA. He agreed to buy my Sub via wire transfer. Instead, he deposited an official check into my account on Thursday evening and included money for Fedex express Monday morning delivery. When I noticed it was not a wire transfer, I called my bank and they said the funds were available, but if I want to be safe, wait 3 business days. Buyer asked for a tracking number but when I advised him to give me the bank tel number so I can verify funds, he went dark. I contacted Premier Valley Bank and they said it was a fake. That was almost an $8,000 loss.

26 April 2011, 11:30 AM	#6
steve-o "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Real Name: Steve-O Location: Naplis, Merlin Watch: Blue TT Sub Posts: 857	Phew. Good call to wait. Checks can take 10 or business days to bounce. Always call the bank...and wait. __________________

26 April 2011, 11:36 AM	#7
sleddog TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Nearby. Posts: 24,931	Always good to be patient and cross the T's and dot the I's.... A lucky guy not to have been taken!!. Always be vigilant and extra careful. __________________ He who wears a Rolex is always on time, even when late!! TRF's "After Dark" Bar & Nightclub Patron-Founding Member..

26 April 2011, 12:09 PM	#15
Kapture1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Matt Location: Flint, MI Watch: Ω 3570.50.00 Posts: 2,058	Always wait the three days until the check clears in that situation. Good catch __________________ Miss you JJ Wash out this tired notion that the best is yet to come

26 April 2011, 11:17 AM	#2
Justjosh "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Josh Location: WI Watch: This Posts: 856	Nice catch. What made you take the banks advice on waiting?

26 April 2011, 11:19 AM	#3
johnbeth "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Depends on mood. Posts: 9,536	Nice move to wait!

26 April 2011, 11:22 AM	#4
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	It's unfortunately an old trick and I'm glad you waited it out.

26 April 2011, 11:41 AM	#8
watch watcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: ME Watch: Vintages Posts: 565	So, is "Patrick Kier" a forum member or was it a deal outside of this place? But yeah, that's the oldest trick in the book. Close call indeed.

26 April 2011, 11:49 AM	#9
mcurtisal "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: MI Watch: SeaDweller Posts: 873	Patrick Kier just joined the forum this month. What tipped it off was simply the fact that he didn't do what we agreed. What's sad is that the bank didn't even care. All they said was, "sorry, it's not a real account number". Btw, Google is incredible. I searched the shipping address, found the house for sale and empty, searched the county tax records and found it was bank owned. Took less than 15 minutes to find all of that.

26 April 2011, 03:31 PM	#16
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	Great decision Mike! This fake bank check deposit scam is becoming too frequent an occurrence.

26 April 2011, 03:36 PM	#17
swatty 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Sydney Watch: The Game Posts: 17,415	Wise move, glad you did your homework

26 April 2011, 03:47 PM	#18
cyglee "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gordon Location: California Watch: Gmtll,LV,SD,GV,etc Posts: 627	Good "spidey-sense" Mike. It is truly disheartening to read about all these scams.

27 April 2011, 06:01 AM	#19
pdoukas "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Pete Location: Arizona Watch: ing Duke bball Posts: 1,488	This is actually an automated scam on craigslist now. I was trying to sell my mother's wheelchair and they were going to send extra money to cover shipping. I hate these guys but the sad part is it still works and people fall for it. I'm just glad you caught on. Pete

27 April 2011, 12:54 PM	#20
heart82 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: near my PAM Watch: P-A-M. Posts: 146	He contacted me too and i already posted his information on p.com and TZ for people to be aware of. H

27 April 2011, 01:01 PM	#21
MB7000 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Marcus Location: Chicago Watch: Day-Date,Deepsea Posts: 266	Will you get a bank charge from your bank on this type of bad check ?

27 April 2011, 01:02 PM	#23
MB7000 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Marcus Location: Chicago Watch: Day-Date,Deepsea Posts: 266	stories like this is what keeps me from selling any of my watches. I'm glad you caught it!!!

27 April 2011, 09:41 PM	#24
mcurtisal "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: MI Watch: SeaDweller Posts: 873	Yes - bank charges $12 for returned checks. Mgr said to come in when it shows up and he will credit my account. The only "harm" done was that I had seller's remorse and bought another.

28 April 2011, 07:13 AM	#25
usbzoso Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Stan Location: Dallas Watch: 16610/16600/16800 Posts: 1,231	damn crazy story glad you realized what the idiot was up to!

28 April 2011, 09:13 AM	#26
SkyKing31 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Manalapan Florida Watch: Tridor Masterpiece Posts: 2,819	Nice catch .. I am glad you are not out any money or watch

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