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rms · 7 May 2011, 05:14 AM

Ok, so I've been saving for a high end dress watch - a used Patek 5127J if I can find one. I'm not even halfway there yet. Today, I'm in the city center walking by a pawn shop and there in the window, all by itself, is a 16610 at a great price. So I walk in and talk to the guy. He and the store seem legit. It's a K serial number circa 2002; it has papers. He opens the case. I'm no expert, but I've seen enough 3135 moments and everything looks ok. The case has been polished but I think it is a good job. Next thing I know, I'm off to the bank around the corner to get cash. What am I doing? Back at the shop I notice something strange. It has lug holes AND SEL? Sure enough, its fitted with a 93250 instead of the 93150 it should come with. I'm worried that this would devalue the watch. We haggle a bit and the next thing I know, I'm on the way home trying to figure out how to tell my wife what I just did. Please look at these pics and tell me I'm not completely out of my mind .

Rigsby1 · 7 May 2011, 05:15 AM

Looks great mate.

boogiebot · 7 May 2011, 05:17 AM

nothing wrong with getting a good deal.

MonBK · 7 May 2011, 05:21 AM

Who needs a PP?

Congrats.

Grumpy Badger · 7 May 2011, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Who needs a PP?

...I dooooooooo!!!

Justjosh · 7 May 2011, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by grumpy badger

...i dooooooooo!!!

+1

tgoose1 · 7 May 2011, 07:36 AM

The more current 93250 bracelet along with sel's only increases the value and solid wear-ability of a 16610 sub.

rolexertion · 7 May 2011, 05:23 AM

Lug holes AND SEL. Great combo! Congrats!

Dr. Robert · 7 May 2011, 05:25 AM

I am a doctor(witch/Phd.)

....................trust me

....................you are not out of your mind.......in fact as you purchased a pre-owned classic sub with lug holes proves to me that you are in full possession of all your faculties.

Wolfgang427 · 7 May 2011, 05:28 AM

Congrats

you've got a great Sub and with a better bracelet.

Jason71 · 7 May 2011, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Robert

I am a doctor(witch/Phd.)

....................trust me

....................you are not out of your mind.......in fact as you purchased a pre-owned classic sub with lug holes proves to me that you are in full possession of all your faculties.

The Grand Curmudgeon has sanctioned your purchase.........it must be the will of the watch gods.

Congrats on a great looking sub.

MortgageGuy · 7 May 2011, 05:28 AM

Congrats

usbzoso · 7 May 2011, 05:27 AM

look great enjoy most awesome watch in the world! sorry no clue how to break this down to your wife

jdc · 7 May 2011, 05:32 AM

SELS and lug holes were around with K series GMT II and I would imagine they were same with subs, so I don't think you have cause to be worried, in fact you may have a more desirable combination

FinbarSaunders · 7 May 2011, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jdc

SELS and lug holes were around with K series GMT II and I would imagine they were same with subs, so I don't think you have cause to be worried, in fact you may have a more desirable combination

A bit off-topic Martin, but I'm loving your icon - I've just been watching the BBC4 documentary about the making of Screamadelica. Will be digging that CD out in about 2 seconds time

Gerardus · 7 May 2011, 05:34 AM

Abid · 7 May 2011, 05:34 AM

Great Looking piece! May I ask how much the pawn shop was asking? I came across one at my local pawn shop to. Although it looked a bit banged.

rms · 7 May 2011, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Abid

Great Looking piece! May I ask how much the pawn shop was asking? I came across one at my local pawn shop to. Although it looked a bit banged.

Sure, they were asking 3800 and I got it down to 3500 (EURO that is). The dollar has been taking a beating for a while and at todays USD to EUR fx-rate, that is just under $5200. Maybe not a remarkable price in the US but 3500 € here in Europe is unheard of. Similar condition Subs are going for well over 4k EUR. I think I got really lucky.

And thanks everyone for your support. Now the WIFE

Abid · 7 May 2011, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rms

Sure, they were asking 3800 and I got it down to 3500 (EURO that is). The dollar has been taking a beating for a while and at todays USD to EUR fx-rate, that is just under $5200. Maybe not a remarkable price in the US but 3500 € here in Europe is unheard of. Similar condition Subs are going for well over 4k EUR. I think I got really lucky.

And thanks everyone for your support. Now the WIFE

Thank you! And Yes I'm sure thats a great price for your location! Congradz! And good luck with the wife!

tkc324 · 7 May 2011, 06:15 AM

I prefer the lug hole and sel combo... good choice... congrats! Who needs PP anyways?

Justjosh · 7 May 2011, 06:48 AM

Seems to be the week of Impulse buying! Congrats

Oyster Lover · 7 May 2011, 06:55 AM

Congrats on the new purchase!

You can call Rolex and ask them to let you know if this bracelet was "born" with this watch... They'll ask you for the serial numbers from the bracelet and the watch and be able to tell you (at least in the USA they can).

While I think it's awesome to have ANY Rolex (rather than NO Rolex), in my honest opinion, I would not purchase a watch that came with a non-conforming bracelet. I think it can devalue the watch. But that's just the purist in me!

Jason71 · 7 May 2011, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

Congrats on the new purchase!

You can call Rolex and ask them to let you know if this bracelet was "born" with this watch... They'll ask you for the serial numbers from the bracelet and the watch and be able to tell you (at least in the USA they can).

While I think it's awesome to have ANY Rolex (rather than NO Rolex), in my honest opinion, I would not purchase a watch that came with a non-conforming bracelet. I think it can devalue the watch. But that's just the purist in me!

Many vintage subs have such a worn-out or nonexistent 9315 bracelet that often times it is just placed on a 93150. Obviously, for a super-collectible hard to find piece it is nice to have it all original, but for something like a red sub..........a non-original bracelet does just fine, and hurt the value little, if any.

I don't think a non-original bracelet on a 16610 is going to "devalue" the watch.

Oyster Lover · 7 May 2011, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason71

Many vintage subs have such a worn-out or nonexistent 9315 bracelet that often times it is just placed on a 93150. Obviously, for a super-collectible hard to find piece it is nice to have it all original, but for something like a red sub..........a non-original bracelet does just fine, and hurt the value little, if any.

I don't think a non-original bracelet on a 16610 is going to "devalue" the watch.

Sorry friend - I respectfully disagree. In fact, I think only on a "super-collectible hard to find piece" (such as the red sub) will a non-conforming bracelet be accepted without devaluating the watch. For a watch that has a million copies out there, a non-standard part will (again, just my opinion) certainly devalue the watch. Perhaps not devalue by a whole lot, but still, it's not a complete piece.

Just to illustrate - you know how many Rolex people/collectors are - we want the original box, the original cushion, the original paperwork, the original cloth, the original outer box, the original hologram, the original bezel protector, the original anchor - we want it ALL to be original there... If it's not all there, allright, that's probably okay - we'll still take it, BUT... we'll pay less....

rolexsweep · 7 May 2011, 07:01 AM

classic, cant go wrong with that impulse.

Puffy · 7 May 2011, 07:09 AM

a real man's watch

mrbill2mrbill2 · 7 May 2011, 07:12 AM

Good luck with the wife.

Hulatime · 7 May 2011, 07:31 AM

I'm looking at a "K" 16610 myself (will have to find out which bracelet). Congratulations!

jcherskine · 7 May 2011, 07:25 AM

Congrats on your purchase.

Wear in good health.

HACKNSACK44 · 7 May 2011, 07:39 AM

Congrats!!

7 May 2011, 05:14 AM	#1
rms "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Richard Location: Europe Watch: The one I have on Posts: 273	Impulse Buy Ok, so I've been saving for a high end dress watch - a used Patek 5127J if I can find one. I'm not even halfway there yet. Today, I'm in the city center walking by a pawn shop and there in the window, all by itself, is a 16610 at a great price. So I walk in and talk to the guy. He and the store seem legit. It's a K serial number circa 2002; it has papers. He opens the case. I'm no expert, but I've seen enough 3135 moments and everything looks ok. The case has been polished but I think it is a good job. Next thing I know, I'm off to the bank around the corner to get cash. What am I doing? Back at the shop I notice something strange. It has lug holes AND SEL? Sure enough, its fitted with a 93250 instead of the 93150 it should come with. I'm worried that this would devalue the watch. We haggle a bit and the next thing I know, I'm on the way home trying to figure out how to tell my wife what I just did. Please look at these pics and tell me I'm not completely out of my mind . Attached Images __________________ 14060M - 16610 - 16710 - 16234 - 16570(x2) - 116400GV - IW323300 - PAM292 - SKX779K

7 May 2011, 05:25 AM	#9
Dr. Robert 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 64,297	I am a doctor(witch/Phd.)....................trust me....................you are not out of your mind.......in fact as you purchased a pre-owned classic sub with lug holes proves to me that you are in full possession of all your faculties. __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

7 May 2011, 05:28 AM	#10
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7 May 2011, 05:28 AM	#12
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7 May 2011, 05:15 AM	#2
Rigsby1 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Darren Location: England Posts: 401	Looks great mate.

7 May 2011, 05:17 AM	#3
boogiebot "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: canada Watch: me post! Posts: 3,804	nothing wrong with getting a good deal.

7 May 2011, 05:21 AM	#4
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Who needs a PP? Congrats.

7 May 2011, 07:36 AM	#7
tgoose1 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 668	The more current 93250 bracelet along with sel's only increases the value and solid wear-ability of a 16610 sub.

7 May 2011, 05:23 AM	#8
rolexertion Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Montreal, PQ Posts: 722	Lug holes AND SEL. Great combo! Congrats!

7 May 2011, 05:27 AM	#13
usbzoso Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Stan Location: Dallas Watch: 16610/16600/16800 Posts: 1,231	look great enjoy most awesome watch in the world! sorry no clue how to break this down to your wife

7 May 2011, 05:32 AM	#14
jdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: UK Posts: 7,023	SELS and lug holes were around with K series GMT II and I would imagine they were same with subs, so I don't think you have cause to be worried, in fact you may have a more desirable combination

7 May 2011, 05:34 AM	#17
Abid "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV Watch: 16610LV Posts: 466	Great Looking piece! May I ask how much the pawn shop was asking? I came across one at my local pawn shop to. Although it looked a bit banged.

7 May 2011, 06:15 AM	#20
tkc324 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Tom Location: Chi town Watch: Daytona AP DD Sub Posts: 3,717	I prefer the lug hole and sel combo... good choice... congrats! Who needs PP anyways?

7 May 2011, 06:48 AM	#21
Justjosh "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Josh Location: WI Watch: This Posts: 856	Seems to be the week of Impulse buying! Congrats

7 May 2011, 06:55 AM	#22
Oyster Lover "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 472	Hmmmmm..... Congrats on the new purchase! You can call Rolex and ask them to let you know if this bracelet was "born" with this watch... They'll ask you for the serial numbers from the bracelet and the watch and be able to tell you (at least in the USA they can). While I think it's awesome to have ANY Rolex (rather than NO Rolex), in my honest opinion, I would not purchase a watch that came with a non-conforming bracelet. I think it can devalue the watch. But that's just the purist in me!

7 May 2011, 07:01 AM	#25
rolexsweep "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Watch: RG DD40 Posts: 1,149	classic, cant go wrong with that impulse. __________________ "Did you get that at retail?"

7 May 2011, 07:09 AM	#26
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	a real man's watch __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

7 May 2011, 07:12 AM	#27
mrbill2mrbill2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Mr. Bill Location: South Florida Watch: 16610 Posts: 6,148	Good luck with the wife. __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of the Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons - ID # 13

7 May 2011, 07:31 AM	#28
Hulatime "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Calif Posts: 348	Great story, thanks for sharing... I'm looking at a "K" 16610 myself (will have to find out which bracelet). Congratulations!

7 May 2011, 07:25 AM	#29
jcherskine "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: John Location: Scotland Watch: DJII 116300 Posts: 1,970	Congrats on your purchase. Wear in good health.

7 May 2011, 07:39 AM	#30
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