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dranhle · 14 July 2011, 05:02 AM

My 351 keeps stopping in the middle of the night. After a full 20-30 winds and 10hrs/day of usage, it would not make it through the 4th night. Any suggestions or should I just bring it in for service? Thanks.

mfer · 14 July 2011, 05:32 AM

I'm confused. It would not make it through the 4th night? Does the watch work and you are just concerned the power reserve isn't as it should be?

dranhle · 14 July 2011, 06:37 AM

Let me clarify. Even though I'm wearing the watch about 10hrs a day it still winds down in about 4 days.

mfer · 14 July 2011, 06:51 AM

Well, it is hard for anyone to say definitively as auto winding varies by activity.

Couple of observations you might try.
1. 20-30 winds on a Luminor is not enough to wind it fully. It is hard to wind Luminor's really quickly b/c the crown guard prevents you from winding more with one turn. Even that said, I wind my Radiomir about 36 times to get it full, but that is a different movement and everyone winds differently.
2. Once the watch is fully dead, hold it face up and start to stir it in a small circle like you are stirring a pot of soup. This should rotate the rotor on the watch and your second hand should start moving. This will prove that the autowind rotor is working as it should.
3. If you have a watch winder, find out the setting for your watch and test it out.

Just a guess here, but I'm guessing the rotor may not be smoothly moving or you are not moving enough to fully wind it. My reason is b/c 20-30 turns on a Luminor crown isn't enought for a full wind, but the watch is still making it 4 days on a 72 hour movement.

ev8296 · 14 July 2011, 07:08 AM

hi, i would have it serviced. i owned the 104 and 162 both would stop running while in the watch winder. so i had both serviced while still under warrantee. but still while on the winder it would run slow or just stop. fed up i sold them both. you should wind them about 40 time's.

texex91 · 14 July 2011, 08:49 AM

How old is it???

dranhle · 14 July 2011, 09:00 AM

Less than 1 year old. I bought it from another forum member and the warranty card is left blank so I am also concerned about having it covered under warranty.

texex91 · 14 July 2011, 09:03 AM

Wow, that is concerning that it's so new with problems. Have seen several threads about issues, makes me wonder about the quality. Sorry to hear about it, and yes I would get fixed under warranty.

Watchdog · 15 July 2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by texex91

Wow, that is concerning that it's so new with problems. Have seen several threads about issues, makes me wonder about the quality. Sorry to hear about it, and yes I would get fixed under warranty.

Paul, that was my thought as well. I LOVE the look of Panerai, but these stories do make me hesitate.

To the OP, sorry for the issues, and I hope they get it sorted out for you.

jvo300 · 14 July 2011, 09:49 AM

Like Mik, I don't understand what you mean by winds down on 4th day. An automatic watch that is worn everyday should not need to be wound. If this is the case, then this needs to be serviced. However, if you mean that you wear the watch and let it run down after four days of being off the wrist, then I don't see the problem as the power reserve isn't meant to last even that long. Good luck resolving the issue.

PS - There are 1500 M series 351s and I am the proud owner of one of them. Are there likely to be problems with some? Sure -- It's a mechanical device. Is it a widespread issue? Not that I have heard since taking ownership Summer 2010.

dranhle · 14 July 2011, 09:52 AM

Thanks for the replies. I will bring it in for service.

TheDude · 14 July 2011, 01:16 PM

I doubt it needs the service. I think the P.9000 needs far more winding than that. I have a 359 and the weight seems to need a lot of movement in order to rotate. Perhaps the OP doesn't have a very active arm?

mfer · 15 July 2011, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDude

I doubt it needs the service. I think the P.9000 needs far more winding than that. I have a 359 and the weight seems to need a lot of movement in order to rotate. Perhaps the OP doesn't have a very active arm?

My thought as well. Hence why I recommended the tests I did.

dranhle · 15 July 2011, 04:06 AM

Thank you mfer. I tested the rotor like you said and it seems to be in working order. I wore the watch from a complete power down for 10hrs and it continued to tick for 8 hours after taken off the wrist. So it is possible I'm not active enough to sustain the power reserve. I will fully wind the watch at least 40 times as suggested and try to be more active at the office. I have a GMT-II and a GMT II-c and this has never been an issue. Thanks again!

Shade · 14 July 2011, 03:29 PM

You need alot more movements to keep the watch rolling. I suspect a 72 hours reserve is not full even after 30 winds. 4 days is more than enough I reckon.

kekes7 · 15 July 2011, 05:41 PM

definately take it for service. i have a pam359, 2 months old, and is gaining 40 secs a day. dropped it off for warranty service not less than an hour ago.

thats what warranty is for, when in doubt, if its under warranty then drop it off there for a once over

dranhle · 16 July 2011, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kekes7

definately take it for service. i have a pam359, 2 months old, and is gaining 40 secs a day. dropped it off for warranty service not less than an hour ago.

thats what warranty is for, when in doubt, if its under warranty then drop it off there for a once over

Fortunately it's keeping perfect timing so I've decided not to send it to service yet.

karmatp · 16 July 2011, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dranhle

Fortunately it's keeping perfect timing so I've decided not to send it to service yet.

Even on my auto's, I give them a full wind every few days if I wear it continuously.

Usually I wear something for a few days then wear something else, so every time I wear it again I wind it up, even if it is still running.

hairymonster · 25 July 2011, 12:42 AM

I always put my Pam 351 on the winder with 750 TPD when I am not wearing. only at 2 occasions it stop. 1st time I kept the watch inside my safe as depart for a long business trip and the other time, a schedule maintenance on domestic power supply that trip my winder. Both stoppages recorded an approximate 75 hours power reserve.

I sent my Pam 351 to service centre for regulating as it was 14 seconds faster each day when just purchased and currently is 5 sec faster each day.

hairymonster · 25 July 2011, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hairymonster

I always put my Pam 351 on the winder with 750 TPD when I am not wearing. only at 2 occasions it stop. 1st time I kept the watch inside my safe as depart for a long business trip and the other time, a schedule maintenance on domestic power supply that trip my winder. Both stoppages recorded an approximate 75 hours power reserve.

I sent my Pam 351 to service centre for regulating as it was 14 seconds faster each day when just purchased and currently is 5 sec faster each day.

In your case, this is not normal, I suggest you have it service since it is still under warranty.

TswaneNguni · 25 July 2011, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hairymonster

I always put my Pam 351 on the winder with 750 TPD when I am not wearing. only at 2 occasions it stop. 1st time I kept the watch inside my safe as depart for a long business trip and the other time, a schedule maintenance on domestic power supply that trip my winder. Both stoppages recorded an approximate 75 hours power reserve.

I sent my Pam 351 to service centre for regulating as it was 14 seconds faster each day when just purchased and currently is 5 sec faster each day.

My 104 was -20/day.Had regulated.Was spot-on,but now +10/day .......

TheDude · 15 July 2011, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kekes7

definately take it for service. i have a pam359, 2 months old, and is gaining 40 secs a day. dropped it off for warranty service not less than an hour ago.

thats what warranty is for, when in doubt, if its under warranty then drop it off there for a once over

You guys need to brush up on your Italian. The phrase "il uguale" meaning "the same" is a good one to know. As a nit-picking perfectionist type, it was the most frustrating thing I experienced in Italy. You complain? That's the response.

In other words, the difference you're pointing out is invisible to them culturally. They brush it off.

If you're certain your watch is broken then send it in. If not, I would personally advise against it.

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14 July 2011, 05:02 AM	#1
dranhle "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: A Le Location: California Watch: 116710 Posts: 67	PAM 351 Issues My 351 keeps stopping in the middle of the night. After a full 20-30 winds and 10hrs/day of usage, it would not make it through the 4th night. Any suggestions or should I just bring it in for service? Thanks.

14 July 2011, 05:32 AM	#2
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	I'm confused. It would not make it through the 4th night? Does the watch work and you are just concerned the power reserve isn't as it should be? __________________ member#3242

14 July 2011, 06:51 AM	#4
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	Well, it is hard for anyone to say definitively as auto winding varies by activity. Couple of observations you might try. 1. 20-30 winds on a Luminor is not enough to wind it fully. It is hard to wind Luminor's really quickly b/c the crown guard prevents you from winding more with one turn. Even that said, I wind my Radiomir about 36 times to get it full, but that is a different movement and everyone winds differently. 2. Once the watch is fully dead, hold it face up and start to stir it in a small circle like you are stirring a pot of soup. This should rotate the rotor on the watch and your second hand should start moving. This will prove that the autowind rotor is working as it should. 3. If you have a watch winder, find out the setting for your watch and test it out. Just a guess here, but I'm guessing the rotor may not be smoothly moving or you are not moving enough to fully wind it. My reason is b/c 20-30 turns on a Luminor crown isn't enought for a full wind, but the watch is still making it 4 days on a 72 hour movement. __________________ member#3242

14 July 2011, 03:29 PM	#15
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	You need alot more movements to keep the watch rolling. I suspect a 72 hours reserve is not full even after 30 winds. 4 days is more than enough I reckon. __________________ My collections.. Plus PAM 233, 232, 249 & PAM 417.

14 July 2011, 06:37 AM	#3
dranhle "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: A Le Location: California Watch: 116710 Posts: 67	Let me clarify. Even though I'm wearing the watch about 10hrs a day it still winds down in about 4 days.

14 July 2011, 07:08 AM	#5
ev8296 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: eduardo Location: new jersey Watch: 116610LV 126600 Posts: 254	hi, i would have it serviced. i owned the 104 and 162 both would stop running while in the watch winder. so i had both serviced while still under warrantee. but still while on the winder it would run slow or just stop. fed up i sold them both. you should wind them about 40 time's.

14 July 2011, 08:49 AM	#6
texex91 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 17,898	How old is it???

14 July 2011, 09:00 AM	#7
dranhle "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: A Le Location: California Watch: 116710 Posts: 67	Less than 1 year old. I bought it from another forum member and the warranty card is left blank so I am also concerned about having it covered under warranty.

14 July 2011, 09:03 AM	#8
texex91 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 17,898	Wow, that is concerning that it's so new with problems. Have seen several threads about issues, makes me wonder about the quality. Sorry to hear about it, and yes I would get fixed under warranty.

14 July 2011, 09:49 AM	#10
jvo300 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 1,897	Like Mik, I don't understand what you mean by winds down on 4th day. An automatic watch that is worn everyday should not need to be wound. If this is the case, then this needs to be serviced. However, if you mean that you wear the watch and let it run down after four days of being off the wrist, then I don't see the problem as the power reserve isn't meant to last even that long. Good luck resolving the issue. PS - There are 1500 M series 351s and I am the proud owner of one of them. Are there likely to be problems with some? Sure -- It's a mechanical device. Is it a widespread issue? Not that I have heard since taking ownership Summer 2010.

14 July 2011, 09:52 AM	#11
dranhle "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: A Le Location: California Watch: 116710 Posts: 67	Thanks for the replies. I will bring it in for service.

14 July 2011, 01:16 PM	#12
TheDude "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC Area, USA Watch: IIc,1680 Red,16660 Posts: 4,492	I doubt it needs the service. I think the P.9000 needs far more winding than that. I have a 359 and the weight seems to need a lot of movement in order to rotate. Perhaps the OP doesn't have a very active arm?

15 July 2011, 04:06 AM	#14
dranhle "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: A Le Location: California Watch: 116710 Posts: 67	Thank you mfer. I tested the rotor like you said and it seems to be in working order. I wore the watch from a complete power down for 10hrs and it continued to tick for 8 hours after taken off the wrist. So it is possible I'm not active enough to sustain the power reserve. I will fully wind the watch at least 40 times as suggested and try to be more active at the office. I have a GMT-II and a GMT II-c and this has never been an issue. Thanks again!

15 July 2011, 05:41 PM	#16
kekes7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: sydney Posts: 106	definately take it for service. i have a pam359, 2 months old, and is gaining 40 secs a day. dropped it off for warranty service not less than an hour ago. thats what warranty is for, when in doubt, if its under warranty then drop it off there for a once over

25 July 2011, 12:42 AM	#19
hairymonster "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Sillypore Watch: Sub16610 & Pam 351 Posts: 5	I always put my Pam 351 on the winder with 750 TPD when I am not wearing. only at 2 occasions it stop. 1st time I kept the watch inside my safe as depart for a long business trip and the other time, a schedule maintenance on domestic power supply that trip my winder. Both stoppages recorded an approximate 75 hours power reserve. I sent my Pam 351 to service centre for regulating as it was 14 seconds faster each day when just purchased and currently is 5 sec faster each day.

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