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freefly · 6 September 2011, 10:05 AM

Seller: Myjewelrygallery

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Wristwatches...=p3286.c0.m283

Over 140 bracelets listed! At first glace it would appear these are just your typical aftermarket junk bracelets, as most don’t have the coronet on the outer clasp. However, in some of the photos you can make out the Rolex markings/hallmarks on the inner blades (on both President and Oyster styles). Of course, he strategically omits direct pictures of the inner clasps in his photos as to stay under the radar.

The Archer · 6 September 2011, 10:53 AM

Wow, that's a pile... Looks like you hit the motherlode!

mcjp6 · 6 September 2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by freefly

However, in some of the photos you can make out the Rolex markings/hallmarks on the inner blades (on both President and Oyster styles).

Eric, I checked a few out and could not find, can you give the links to these? A hell of a long list to wade through.

freefly · 6 September 2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mcjp6

Eric, I checked a few out and could not find, can you give the links to these? A hell of a long list to wade through.

Yeah, I know there are a ton (and the lisitngs are slow to load due to imbedded pic urls). I've attached a couple pics from the listings so you can see what I'm talking about regarding the inner clasp markings.

Obviously it would be a total pain to report each individual listing, so maybe we can report the actual seller (as described by Grissom in this forum earlier).

Also, FYI: f you save the pics in the listings (right click, save picture as) they will save as the full hi-res versions.

mcjp6 · 6 September 2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by freefly

Obviously it would be a total pain to report each individual listing, so maybe we can report the actual seller

One can report multiple listings at one hit, so that is no problem. Have you a link to the pictures here in your post so I can blow up and look closer because from the pictures posted here I cannot make much out at all. Certainly nothing that I could take action on. thanks.

freefly · 7 September 2011, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mcjp6

Have you a link to the pictures here in your post so I can blow up and look closer because from the pictures posted here I cannot make much out at all.

Here are a few direct links to his pictures used in the listings. I also sent him an email stating that I would be interested in his aftermarket bracelets if they had the Rolex markings, but I couldn'd tell from his pictures. He emailed me back the following attached pics:

http://www.opsssss.com/bezel/LADDIAPRESIDENTBAND001.jpg
http://www.opsssss.com/bezel/LADDIAP...NTBAND001a.jpg
http://www.opsssss.com/bezel/PRESIDENTBRACELET008.jpg
http://www.opsssss.com/bezel/PRESIDENTBRACELET008b.jpg
http://www.opsssss.com/bezel/PRESIDENTBRACELET001b.jpg
http://www.opsssss.com/bezel/LADIESPRESIDENTBAND001.jpg
http://www.opsssss.com/bezel/SUBMARINERBAND001b.jpg

rtan · 6 September 2011, 11:56 AM

The seller never said they are made by Rolex; they seem to be third party bracelets made to fit Rolexes.

mcjp6 · 6 September 2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rtan

The seller never said they are made by Rolex; they seem to be third party bracelets made to fit Rolexes.

Eric has stated that he saw some bands with Rolex marks on them, if so they could be counterfeit. I am asking for links to those listings.

freefly · 6 September 2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rtan

The seller never said they are made by Rolex; they seem to be third party bracelets made to fit Rolexes.

Yes, I know. Hence my comment that at first glance that is exactly what they looked like (simply aftermarket). However, if you actually look at the photos, the Rolex engravings are evident on the inner clasp. The seller seems to intentionally never show close-ups of the inside of the clasp (part that touches your wrist) as well.

Michael M. · 6 September 2011, 12:14 PM

Look like plane aftermarket bracelets to me.

Grissom · 7 September 2011, 05:51 AM

So he's playing it very safe, on eBay, by not posting these pics......

How would one go about reporting such an issue?

crowncollection · 7 September 2011, 02:42 PM

Looks like this is the guy flooding the world with this junk from the safe haven of hong kong china.

freefly · 7 September 2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by crowncollection

Looks like this is the guy flooding the world with this junk from the safe haven of hong kong china.

Exactly.

Hopefully we can at least cut him off from his eBay channel of peddling counterfeits. Not sure, but a few guys here might have connections higher up the chain @ eBay so they will take appropriate action.

mcjp6 · 7 September 2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by freefly

Exactly.

Hopefully we can at least cut him off from his eBay channel of peddling counterfeits. Not sure, but a few guys here might have connections higher up the chain @ eBay so they will take appropriate action.

We can but try.

IMO technically, and from eBays point, he is not doing anything against their TOS as he is stating aftermarket and he is not showing any trademarks.

Although when queried by Eric, he then sends photographs clearly showing the counterfeit Rolex markings on the bands. His high feedback score has to be in his favour.

OK so I'll take it further but won't hear back for around 12 hours at best, not holding my breath because this guy is playing safe but we will see what we can do.

MonBK · 7 September 2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mcjp6

We can but try.

IMO technically, and from eBays point, he is not doing anything against their TOS as he is stating aftermarket and he is not showing any trademarks.

Although when queried by Eric, he then sends photographs clearly showing the counterfeit Rolex markings on the bands. His high feedback score has to be in his favour.

OK so I'll take it further but won't hear back for around 12 hours at best, not holding my breath because this guy is playing safe but we will see what we can do.

Report it to Rolex and they will stop him on e-bay.

dieseldragon · 7 September 2011, 04:52 PM

wow, he must have nearly a million dollars of stock listed! That is some scam

freefly · 8 September 2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mcjp6

OK so I'll take it further but won't hear back for around 12 hours at best, not holding my breath because this guy is playing safe but we will see what we can do.

Got your PM and forwarded you the original full-header emails and attachments. Hope that gets you better traction w/ eBay.

mcjp6 · 8 September 2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by freefly

Got your PM and forwarded you the original full-header emails and attachments. Hope that gets you better traction w/ eBay.

Thanks Eric, received OK, will forward on to ebay and see how we go.......

freefly · 10 September 2011, 10:37 AM

Oh and yep, he still has quite a "pile" left to go:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Wristwatches...=p3286.c0.m283

mcjp6 · 10 September 2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by freefly

Oh and yep, he still has quite a "pile" left to go:

He does indeed, we are not yet finished.

The Archer · 10 September 2011, 01:33 PM

140 fakes binned in a day.... My record is what, 8? This is a glorious day.

jefstathiou · 10 September 2011, 01:46 PM

Excellent work!

crowncollection · 10 September 2011, 02:36 PM

He has fake cases for sale also I wonder if he illegally engraves these too

freefly · 16 September 2011, 05:30 AM

Still has a TON of counterfeit bracelets listed:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/Wristwatches...=p3286.c0.m283

This guy should get some special attention!

mcjp6 · 16 September 2011, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freefly

Still has a TON of counterfeit bracelets listed:

This guy should get some special attention!

PM sent

freefly · 16 September 2011, 05:51 AM

Here are links to just the bracelets:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=....c0.m270.l1313

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=....c0.m270.l1313

mcjp6 · 20 September 2011, 07:27 AM

Another 72 counterfeit bands listed by this seller have been invalidated by eBay.......

Those that remain are only there because they do not have the word bracelet or band in their description and they escaped the elimination process.....for now.

Plenty of bezels remain and as these are not trademarked, they will be impossible to remove. Restrictions on this sellers account are in place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by freefly

Here are links to just the bracelets:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=....c0.m270.l1313

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=....c0.m270.l1313

MonBK · 20 September 2011, 07:31 AM

You're good.

crowncollection · 16 September 2011, 06:49 PM

I just checked this on the bay this guy is still going strong all his items seem to be still available.

mcjp6 · 16 September 2011, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowncollection

I just checked this on the bay this guy is still going strong all his items seem to be still available.

Not exactly.

140 obvious counterfeit bands were removed on 10/9/11. Nothing has been listed since 30/8/11.

This is not the regular "invalidate and move on" scenario, and this is on going.........have a little patience........

6 September 2011, 10:05 AM	#1
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	140+ Possible Counterfeit Bracelets Seller: Myjewelrygallery http://www.ebay.com/sch/Wristwatches...=p3286.c0.m283 Over 140 bracelets listed! At first glace it would appear these are just your typical aftermarket junk bracelets, as most don’t have the coronet on the outer clasp. However, in some of the photos you can make out the Rolex markings/hallmarks on the inner blades (on both President and Oyster styles). Of course, he strategically omits direct pictures of the inner clasps in his photos as to stay under the radar.

7 September 2011, 05:51 AM	#11
Grissom "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Nathan Location: US, Latin America Watch: GMT IIc 18K/SS Posts: 3,349	So he's playing it very safe, on eBay, by not posting these pics...... How would one go about reporting such an issue? __________________ *(Member NAWCC since 1976)* 116713LN GMT-IIc 18k/SS (Z) + 116520 SS Daytona (M) + 16700 GMT Master (A) + 16610LV Submariner (V) + 16600 Sea Dweller (Z) + 116400 Milgauss White Dial (V) + 70330N Tudor Heritage Chronograph Grey w/Black Sub Dials (J) + 5513 Submariner Serif Dial (5.2 Mil) Who else needs an Intervention? (109 297) (137 237) (73 115) (221) (23) (56) (229) P-Club Member #5 RIP JJ Irani - TRF Legend

7 September 2011, 02:42 PM	#12
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	Looks like this is the guy flooding the world with this junk from the safe haven of hong kong china. __________________ watches many

7 September 2011, 04:52 PM	#16
dieseldragon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Ian Location: Spain Watch: Ω & ♛ Posts: 1,321	wow, he must have nearly a million dollars of stock listed! That is some scam __________________ Rolex GMT, Zenith Chronomaster Sport, Zenith Pilot type 20 40mm, IWC mkXVI, Tudor BB58, Glashütte Original SeaQ 39. 5

10 September 2011, 01:46 PM	#22
jefstathiou "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 222	Excellent work! __________________ ______________________ Rolex Sub-C Ref 116610LN; Rolex Day Date Ref 1803 Rolex Milgauss Ref 116400V; Omega Speedmaster Ref 311.30 Omega De Ville St. Moritz Ref. 4842.20.32

6 September 2011, 10:53 AM	#2
The Archer Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Adam Location: Texas Watch: G-Shock! Posts: 383	Wow, that's a pile... Looks like you hit the motherlode!

6 September 2011, 11:56 AM	#7
rtan "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: OH Posts: 57	The seller never said they are made by Rolex; they seem to be third party bracelets made to fit Rolexes.

6 September 2011, 12:14 PM	#10
Michael M. Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 8,391	Look like plane aftermarket bracelets to me.

10 September 2011, 10:37 AM	#19
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	Oh and yep, he still has quite a "pile" left to go: http://www.ebay.com/sch/Wristwatches...=p3286.c0.m283

10 September 2011, 01:33 PM	#21
The Archer Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Adam Location: Texas Watch: G-Shock! Posts: 383	140 fakes binned in a day.... My record is what, 8? This is a glorious day.

10 September 2011, 02:36 PM	#23
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	He has fake cases for sale also I wonder if he illegally engraves these too __________________ watches many

16 September 2011, 05:30 AM	#24
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	Still has a TON of counterfeit bracelets listed: http://www.ebay.com/sch/Wristwatches...=p3286.c0.m283 This guy should get some special attention!

16 September 2011, 05:51 AM	#26
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	Here are links to just the bracelets: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=....c0.m270.l1313 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=....c0.m270.l1313

20 September 2011, 07:31 AM	#28
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	You're good.

16 September 2011, 06:49 PM	#29
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	I just checked this on the bay this guy is still going strong all his items seem to be still available. __________________ watches many

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