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[blackmsport]

Sorry but I have to post this to get your opinion

I was selling a Deepsea on behalf of a good friend, he's not a member of TRF, his wife is 6 months pregnant, he lost the job recently and had no option to sell his loved watch

Being honest I said I listed for a friend.... the ads got removed twice

I am a watch lover and I am selling this to help some one in need

and I got an infraction notice for doing something good for someone in need

Common mod guys .... where are your hearts... where are your helping hands

Honestly....rules should be bent for a good cause

AGGGGGGRRRRRRRR...... I am so disappointed with this forum.....

Maybe the other OP complaining about mod guys has some good traction....

[perpetualman88]

I can understand your side as well as the mods. Technically we are only allowed to post watches we own that are in our own physical possession.

Why dont you buy the watch off your friend for whatever amount you guys decide on and then sell YOUR deepsea and perhaps throw him a few bones once you sell it because as you said you guys are good friends

[blackmsport]

maybe I should be dishonest on the first post... saying its mine

Being honest I had to pay a price....

[Numismatist]

Rules be rules man. It is what it is.

[perpetualman88]

naw brother its always best to be honest when selling items of this caliber. I know the mods must have upset ya but its no reason to get too upset look at it on both sides.

My best advice is when selling to always describe the watch with all the knowledge you have on it honestly is the best policy

[Welshwatchman]

There is a reason we specified a "it must be YOUR watch and in your possession" rule.

A previous instance of an almost identical situation resulted in a brownstorm when something went badly wrong and $$$$$$$$$ was lost by a member.

The mods and admin decided, never again.

Hence the rule change.

Hence the moderation.

Don't think that a number of whining threads will bend the rules or buckle the mods' resolve.

[esm]

I can see a couple of solutions to this -
1. Actually have your mates DSSD in your possession and sell it on his behalf.

2. Get him to sign up here and do the required post count before he can advertise a FS thread.

I have sold items (non-watch related) for mates before, and a couple of them didn't turn out well, and therefore there were impacts on my business. never again. Unless I bought it off my mate and know everything about item myself.

Personally, the 2nd one would probably be a better one.

[conrail]

Originally Posted by esm

I can see a couple of solutions to this -
1. Actually have your mates DSSD in your possession and sell it on his behalf.

2. Get him to sign up here and do the required post count before he can advertise a FS thread.

I have sold items (non-watch related) for mates before, and a couple of them didn't turn out well, and therefore there were impacts on my business. never again. Unless I bought it off my mate and know everything about item myself.

Personally, the 2nd one would probably be a better one.

Do this. Either one works, if you want a quicker sell take the watch from your friend and sell it and take the consequences of the sale: either a smooth transaction and ++ for you, or if something goes wrong, handle it.

[blackmsport]

Mod may throw me out this time......

[HL65]

I am always amazed by how many foolish threads where people start whining about mods and following simple rules here--many designed to help people. Can't see what is so difficult about that--most seem to get it.

[azguy]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

I am always amazed by how many foolish threads where people start whining about mods and following simple rules here--many designed to help people. Can't see what is so difficult about that--most seem to get it.

[mailman]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

I am always amazed by how many foolish threads where people start whining about mods and following simple rules here--many designed to help people. Can't see what is so difficult about that--most seem to get it.

Especially when the rules are put in place to help members

[swatty]

Originally Posted by mailman

Especially when the rules are put in place to help members

Rules are Rules ,You might not agree will some of them but I have to follow them. Much like everything else we do in life

[nads070]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

I am always amazed by how many foolish threads where people start whining about mods and following simple rules here--many designed to help people. Can't see what is so difficult about that--most seem to get it.

Agreed. It is meant to protect TRF members.

[Lol-x]

This is a thread that should not need to have been started but as it has it needs to have a full response made:

1. The rules have been in place for quite some time now and they are clear that you cannot post an item for sale if it is not in your possession and it is not your own property.

2. There are many good reasons for these rules and it is important that members respect and abide by them.

3. One of the reasons for the rule is to prevent new or non members from circumventing the 16 days/16 posts rule to qualify to post in the for sales forum. So posting a watch for sale for a friend who is not a member effectively circumvents the qualifying period for a member to post an item for sale.

4. Posting a watch for sale that is not in your means that you do not have the ability to immediately and without recourse to anyone or any circumstance have full and immediate control over the item. This raises a number of significant issues including answering questions, being able to fully negotiate, having the full power to send the item to a buyer and raises the possibility that the true owner of the watch will not for any one of several reasons not complete the sale on the terms agreed between the buyer and the selling member as the owner's agent.

5. If you don't own the watch and have possession of it there is a risk that the true owner when called upon to send the item to the buyer will say "Sorry I've already sold it to someone else" or "I've changed my mind I want more money for it", or "I've decided to keep it or "I'll send it to the buyer next week" or any one of a hundred unsatisfactory excuses that can end in tears.

6. Also in not owning the watch and having possession of it there arises the risk that if the watch goes missing you will not take full responsibility for the loss. You will turn around and say "Hey I was just doing a favor for my friend, I've done nothing wrong." Watches do go missing and that can happen especially when someone has lost their job and are in desperate financial circumstances.

7. There have been people who have lost thousands of dollars over the internet. The forum cannot be responsible for private transactions, but we can apply rules for the safety of all parties. It's too late to pick up the pieces once the watch goes missing or the money is received by some unknown third party and you say "Hey I didn't get the money it went to the guy I was trying to help out, don't hold me responsible because you didn't get the watch."

8. There is no right or entitlement to sell anything on this website, it is a privilege extended to members free of charge under controlled rules. If you don't follow the rules you don't get to enjoy the privilege.

9. The fact that you would contemplate lying that you 'own the watch' to facilitate the listing of your friends watch is a serious matter. It connotes that you would be prepared to possibly deceived potential buyers as to who the true owner of the watch may be simply for the purpose of obtaining the financial advantage of a sale.

10. You posted the item once and it was removed and you were given a warning. You then reposted the item for a second time notwithstanding the previous warning. Then you started this thread to seek to ridicule the moderators and the forum rules.

11. All this adds up to the inescapable conclusion that you should not be posting any items for sale on the for sales forum whatsoever and henceforth you blackmsport are prohibited from posting any items for sale on the for sales sections of this website.

[matt4hand]

My opinion is that you were in the wrong. The rules are in place to protect the buyers and sellers on here.

You were also bumping your 1st add multiple times in less than 24 hours. I flagged your add you so can be mad at me.

I also pointed out that you were selling for a friend.

If I can't bump 3x a day then you can't either.

We all have to obey the law my friend.

[blackmsport]

Originally Posted by matt4hand

My opinion is that you were in the wrong. The rules are in place to protect the buyers and sellers on here.

You were also bumping your 1st add multiple times in less than 24 hours. I flagged your add you so can be mad at me.

I also pointed out that you were selling for a friend.

If I can't bump 3x a day then you can't either.

We all have to obey the law my friend.

got it... and I moved on from this

It's now on TZ

I can buy the wtach of my mate then relist ... well I think about it next day as I just spent all my money for wifey's diamond

sometimes you want to be honest, you want to help someone and you get bashed on the head

[conrail]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

got it... and I moved on from this

It's now on TZ

I can buy the wtach of my mate then relist ... well I think about it next day as I just spent all my money for wifey's diamond

sometimes you want to be honest, you want to help someone and you get bashed on the head

"Buy" it from him for nominal consideration, e.g. $1 or $0.0001 or whatever, keep it in your possession, and then there is no problem so long as you are willing to handle all aspects of the sale, including lost watch, etc. Whomever buys it from "you" will only know your screen name as the face of the sale, that's the only reason.

[toph]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

got it... and I moved on from this

It's now on TZ

I can buy the wtach of my mate then relist ... well I think about it next day as I just spent all my money for wifey's diamond

sometimes you want to be honest, you want to help someone and you get bashed on the head

I can understand your frustration but with all due respect, the rules are not just to suit you, they are for the benefit of everyone and to minimise risk. You have good intentions but others may not.

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

got it... and I moved on from this

It's now on TZ

I can buy the wtach of my mate then relist ... well I think about it next day as I just spent all my money for wifey's diamond

sometimes you want to be honest, you want to help someone and you get bashed on the head

Actually, no you can't! Read #11 on post 13!

The forum has rules in place for a reason.
This could all have been avoided had you 'first' read the FS section rules.
Regardless of your good intentions, we do not "Bend the rules" for anyone. If we did it for you, where do you suppose we stop?!?!

Just to add, your last sentence in the original post is of concern to me.
Other than you circumventing the rules, not once, but twice, the infraction was minimal at best....and now you feel to post with disdain against the forum!?!?!
I'm thinking it's more of a bruised ego post, than a genuine concern!

[kkwn98]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

got it... and I moved on from this

It's now on TZ

I can buy the wtach of my mate then relist ... well I think about it next day as I just spent all my money for wifey's diamond

sometimes you want to be honest, you want to help someone and you get bashed on the head

I'm sorry, but this is a stupid post and a stupid thread.

That your intentions were noble are great, but irrelevant.

This is a private board and the administrator has the right to do as he sees fit.

The rules are there and are what they are, for better or for worse. In this case, it is for the better, for protection of all of us.

To then post about it seeking opinions - I mean, this is not a democracy. You are here as a guest.

[figbo]

[Baco Noir]

Originally Posted by kkwn98

I'm sorry, but this is a stupid post and a stupid thread.

That your intentions were noble are great, but irrelevant.

This is a private board and the administrator has the right to do as he sees fit.

The rules are there and are what they are, for better or for worse. In this case, it is for the better, for protection of all of us.

To then post about it seeking opinions - I mean, this is not a democracy. You are here as a guest.

+1 I'm on a wide variety of forums and a moderator on one of them. Rules are there to set the expectation for members from the administration. Follow them and everything is cool. Break them unintentionally, and you'll be pointed in the direction of the rules for educational purposes, blatently break them and

[Pep04]

OP, I would have done the same thing for a friend. Not trying to pile on, but I would have asked him to allow me to HOLD the watch in the mean time. That would put me in coherence to the rules.

The rules don't say you must own the watch, it simply states that you must be in possession of the watch. What you do with it once it is sold is solely up to you.


If he is a good trusted friend, he would understand that you need possession to be able to sell it for him.




I'm sure the mods have the discretion to remove the infraction points as your heart was in the right place. At least I think they will.

Good luck to you and your mate.

[blackmsport]

I won't buy the watch

I won't relist

[daunwaun]

lol wow!

Put it on tz and avoid the hassle and drama, many member simply cruise the fs section here to find things that are wrong to whine and complain. Yes the rules are the rule and they are here to protect the seller but at the end of the day Steve and all other mods don't see the actual watch and don't know the relevant information for the deal. So I'm sure there are many deals from "trusted sellers" that don't physically have the watch in hand.

What are you going to do, their playground, their rules.

[sherwin]

In the army they say "do anything, but dont get caught!". same rules apply everywhere.

too bad in this case rules were bent, and the OP was caught out.

[Ultraman]

Originally Posted by sherwin

In the army they say "do anything, but dont get caught!".

Now...where did I heard that quote before, Sherwin?

SAF!

[hdrazor251]

ibtl

[Grissom]

Posts like these always confuse me. I thought membership here, and the ability to post, was a privilege, not a right. I like the fact that we self police so well......makes this a safer and more enjoyable experience for all, in my opinion. I would think if someone finds things not to their liking, that they would simply move on to someplace else, that might be more comfortable for them, rather than complain publicly. There is always eBay, Craigslist, TZ, and the like.

And yes, daunwaun, conceptually "their playground, their rules"............however, I do believe that these rules embody that which the majority of us do believe in, and make for a more satisfying overall experience here..........and the concept of "their playground, their rules" is also something which I like, being one who appreciates order and predictability......

Just my worth.......