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kilyung · 29 February 2012, 02:15 AM

I very much love my 14060M ND Sub. The symmetry and simplicity of the dial is perfect.

While I'm a "don't break what's not broken" faithful and love the existing features of the Sub, I also appreciate the modern features found on the new models: beefier lugs/case, maxi dial, blue lume, solid links, glide lock clasp, etc. In short, I'd love to see Rolex roll out a No Date SubC at BASEL 2012.

Recently, I disassembled/oiled/reassembled my practice ETA 2824-2 movement for (I hope) the last time in a long while. You get sick of working on the same movement for months. For those curious, I'm moving on to an ETA 7750 chrono as my practice movement. I also need to start working on an ETA Quartz movement. Anyways as a graduation of sorts, I decided to recase my 2824-2. What better style than a ND SubC right? Here's how:

- buy a SubC style case
- buy and install generic dial/hands onto 2824-2 movement
- replace the cyclops crystal with a non-cyclops crystal along with new gaskets for the case
- pull crappy old tube and install new tube, stem, and crown
- assemble and waterproof test (checked to 3ATM - need to buy a leak tester)

Yes, the 2824-2 movement has a date complication. It's still there and you can hear the date click over at midnight but it's hidden under the dial - I didn't want to bother removing the date parts on the movement (I may want to reuse the movement in the future so keeping all the parts together was important).

I know some of you will object that it's a "fake" but it has no Rolex markings on it and it's entirely a fictional watch as no such model exists today. More importantly, I assembled the entire watch from scratch so it's mine! Just so I'm clear, it's not for sale and I won't make one for others... If you want to learn how to build one yourself, I'd be happy to share what I've learned (highly recommend Fried's book). Here's the finished product (running +3s):

Ok I'm ready, flame on!!

masterserg · 29 February 2012, 02:23 AM

I like the 14060 better. I think this breaks everything you like about it, balance, flowing lines, etc ... it just does not look simple anymore ...

Cheers for the effort and impressive skills!! My skills barely include unscrewing the crown to wind it ....

azguy · 29 February 2012, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by masterserg

Cheers for the effort though!! My skills barely include unscrewing the crown to wind it ....

I'm with you, those crown are so hard to get a hold of with vise-grips or a monkey wrench

Solo118 · 29 February 2012, 02:24 AM

Its not bad, I just wish it had a domed crystal like the DSSD.

In fact I just wish Rolex made the DSSD exactly how it is but with a 40mm case like the Subc

kareemthedream33 · 29 February 2012, 02:25 AM

Very cool project, nice work. I think it looks cool.

SaddleSC · 29 February 2012, 02:26 AM

Looks great, Mike...I am seriously impressed with your skill. Do you have any wrist shots you could share? Well done!

kilyung · 29 February 2012, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SaddleSC

Looks great, Mike...I am seriously impressed with your skill. Do you have any wrist shots you could share? Well done!

As requested Charles!

ocwatching · 29 February 2012, 02:40 AM

pretty cool project Mike...
2nd career?

kilyung · 29 February 2012, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ocwatching

pretty cool project Mike...
2nd career?

Only in my dreams Phil and it wouldn't pay me enough to fuel my addiction! No, I just enjoy learning how to work on watches and CW21 is a very good structured format for doing so.

FX44 · 29 February 2012, 02:45 AM

It sounds so simple, even a caveman can do it

On a serious note, great job. I love the look. My Sub ND is so comfortable and practical I really like it. I am toying with the idea of buying a "Hulk" Sub C but if they were to release a new Sub ND with the Maxi dial, new lume and bracelet I think I would buy one.

Great post and thanks for sharing.

A.J.R. · 29 February 2012, 02:45 AM

Wouldnt that be considered and "homage" watch?

kilyung · 29 February 2012, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by A.J.R.

Wouldnt that be considered and "homage" watch?

It would if Rolex made such a watch.

Oldwilsonian · 29 February 2012, 03:04 AM

Interesting project - looks good. Kudos to you on your skills,

kilyung · 29 February 2012, 03:07 AM

Here's my work bench. Large equipment is off to the side.

kilyung · 29 February 2012, 03:09 AM

Here's my 2824-2 in pieces. Balance is off to the side.

CBG · 29 February 2012, 03:15 AM

Great skills and superb end product. Hat's off to you sir.

esm · 29 February 2012, 03:18 AM

thats so cool.

i;d call it a "sterile watch" rather than a homeage, as it has no any brand name on it.

jim251 · 29 February 2012, 03:23 AM

Impressive.

SS Oyster · 29 February 2012, 03:27 AM

I enjoyed reading this one and seeing the results. Where did you get a maxi dial without any markings? I'm sure the bracelet has Rolex markings on it, right? Where did you get a coronet-less crown?

kilyung · 29 February 2012, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SS Oyster

I enjoyed reading this one and seeing the results. Where did you get a maxi dial without any markings? I'm sure the bracelet has Rolex markings on it, right? Where did you get a coronet-less crown?

Zero markings of any kind. I get most of my parts from Ofrei and eBay.

Cuinne · 29 February 2012, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

Zero markings of any kind. I get most of my parts from Ofrei and eBay.

That's a great looking watch. Nice work! What kind of bracelet is that?

FremStar · 29 February 2012, 05:10 AM

MIKE!!!! True story dude that is a rocking timepiece! Only if there were enough hours in the day for me to embark on such a project I would be all over it! The farthest I have gone in creating anything was stealing Puffy's seafood (Julia Child) recipe, you my friend have just taken our hobby to the next level... A+

KKB · 29 February 2012, 05:49 AM

That is incredible. Congratulations on your skills! Certainly makes for a great conversation when someone asks you what kind of watch you have. Being able to say you made it yourself is more impressive than saying "it's a Rolex" IMO.

I used to work with a guy who made custom golf clubs for his friends and coworkers. It was considered a great privilege to have a set made by him. You could do the same making custom watches!

I got the TimeZone's online course toolkit for Christmas of 2010 but haven't gotten around to taking their course. You have inspired me to do it now.

Thank you!

dddrees · 29 February 2012, 03:52 AM

Nice job Mike!

Does kind of make me realize how much I've become accustomed to seeing all the markings that are on most of our watches.

Z-Sub · 29 February 2012, 03:59 AM

I like the more narrowed and tapered lugs on your watch than those on SubC

WhatTheDeuce · 29 February 2012, 04:11 AM

Very impressive!!

00Seven · 29 February 2012, 04:28 AM

That's pretty interesting. How much do you have in it (not including your time of course)? That would be a fun project.

Rollie2011 · 29 February 2012, 04:28 AM

I think its a really really cool looking watch!

DSJ · 29 February 2012, 04:35 AM

That is a really nice oyster-style dive watch!

Hesh · 29 February 2012, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

While I'm a "don't break what's not broken" faithful and love the existing features of the Sub, I also appreciate the modern features found on the new models: beefier lugs/case, maxi dial, blue lume, solid links, glide lock clasp, etc. In short, I'd love to see Rolex roll out a No Date SubC at BASEL 2012.

No flames here, great skills. I agree on the ND SubC and would grab one as soon as I could.

29 February 2012, 02:15 AM	#1
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	ND SubC I very much love my 14060M ND Sub. The symmetry and simplicity of the dial is perfect. While I'm a "don't break what's not broken" faithful and love the existing features of the Sub, I also appreciate the modern features found on the new models: beefier lugs/case, maxi dial, blue lume, solid links, glide lock clasp, etc. In short, I'd love to see Rolex roll out a No Date SubC at BASEL 2012. Recently, I disassembled/oiled/reassembled my practice ETA 2824-2 movement for (I hope) the last time in a long while. You get sick of working on the same movement for months. For those curious, I'm moving on to an ETA 7750 chrono as my practice movement. I also need to start working on an ETA Quartz movement. Anyways as a graduation of sorts, I decided to recase my 2824-2. What better style than a ND SubC right? Here's how: - buy a SubC style case - buy and install generic dial/hands onto 2824-2 movement - replace the cyclops crystal with a non-cyclops crystal along with new gaskets for the case - pull crappy old tube and install new tube, stem, and crown - assemble and waterproof test (checked to 3ATM - need to buy a leak tester) Yes, the 2824-2 movement has a date complication. It's still there and you can hear the date click over at midnight but it's hidden under the dial - I didn't want to bother removing the date parts on the movement (I may want to reuse the movement in the future so keeping all the parts together was important). I know some of you will object that it's a "fake" but it has no Rolex markings on it and it's entirely a fictional watch as no such model exists today. More importantly, I assembled the entire watch from scratch so it's mine! Just so I'm clear, it's not for sale and I won't make one for others... If you want to learn how to build one yourself, I'd be happy to share what I've learned (highly recommend Fried's book). Here's the finished product (running +3s): Ok I'm ready, flame on!!

29 February 2012, 02:23 AM	#2
masterserg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Serg Location: US of A Watch: AP Posts: 7,437	I like the 14060 better. I think this breaks everything you like about it, balance, flowing lines, etc ... it just does not look simple anymore ... Cheers for the effort and impressive skills!! My skills barely include unscrewing the crown to wind it .... __________________ How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat????

29 February 2012, 02:26 AM	#6
SaddleSC "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Charles B Location: GMT -7 Watch: Hulk 116610LV Posts: 6,131	Looks great, Mike...I am seriously impressed with your skill. Do you have any wrist shots you could share? Well done! __________________ Hulk 116610LV + GMT II 126710 BLNR + Explorer 124270 + Air King 126900 + Submariner 16613LB

29 February 2012, 02:40 AM	#8
ocwatching "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Phil Location: CA Posts: 5,374	pretty cool project Mike... 2nd career? __________________ too much into watches...

29 February 2012, 02:45 AM	#10
FX44 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: John Location: Charlotte, NC Watch: Submariner 114060 Posts: 518	It sounds so simple, even a caveman can do it On a serious note, great job. I love the look. My Sub ND is so comfortable and practical I really like it. I am toying with the idea of buying a "Hulk" Sub C but if they were to release a new Sub ND with the Maxi dial, new lume and bracelet I think I would buy one. Great post and thanks for sharing. __________________ Submariner 114060

29 February 2012, 02:24 AM	#4
Solo118 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Watch: Daytona Posts: 6,092	Its not bad, I just wish it had a domed crystal like the DSSD. In fact I just wish Rolex made the DSSD exactly how it is but with a 40mm case like the Subc

29 February 2012, 02:25 AM	#5
kareemthedream33 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Canada Watch: Explorer Posts: 1,748	Very cool project, nice work. I think it looks cool.

29 February 2012, 02:45 AM	#11
A.J.R. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: AJ Location: Oregon Watch: SUBC, DJII Posts: 1,827	Wouldnt that be considered and "homage" watch? __________________

29 February 2012, 03:04 AM	#13
Oldwilsonian "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: USA Posts: 277	Interesting project - looks good. Kudos to you on your skills,

29 February 2012, 03:07 AM	#14
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Here's my work bench. Large equipment is off to the side.

29 February 2012, 03:09 AM	#15
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Here's my 2824-2 in pieces. Balance is off to the side.

29 February 2012, 03:15 AM	#16
CBG "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: Europe Watch: GMTIIc SS Posts: 59	Great skills and superb end product. Hat's off to you sir.

29 February 2012, 03:18 AM	#17
esm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Location,Location Watch: this, bro... Posts: 15,340	thats so cool. i;d call it a "sterile watch" rather than a homeage, as it has no any brand name on it.

29 February 2012, 03:23 AM	#18
jim251 Banned Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: VA Posts: 591	Impressive.

29 February 2012, 03:27 AM	#19
SS Oyster 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 9,218	I enjoyed reading this one and seeing the results. Where did you get a maxi dial without any markings? I'm sure the bracelet has Rolex markings on it, right? Where did you get a coronet-less crown?

29 February 2012, 05:10 AM	#22
FremStar "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Sam Location: Gotham City Watch: Wall Street Posts: 9,954	MIKE!!!! True story dude that is a rocking timepiece! Only if there were enough hours in the day for me to embark on such a project I would be all over it! The farthest I have gone in creating anything was stealing Puffy's seafood (Julia Child) recipe, you my friend have just taken our hobby to the next level... A+ __________________ "Wealth is of the heart and mind, not of the pocket!" "A Watch Is An Emotional Object, And So, It Is The Responsibility Of The Brand To Create Emotion Through It's Products" - Georges Kern "In the 1950s and 60s, they made the Ref 8171, which is a cult collectible—now that’s the ultimate Rolex you could own with a calendar and a moon phase.” - John Reardon "Heh, heh, heh..." - Michael Kilyung

29 February 2012, 05:49 AM	#23
KKB "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Eric Location: San Diego, CA Watch: GMTIIC Posts: 605	That is incredible. Congratulations on your skills! Certainly makes for a great conversation when someone asks you what kind of watch you have. Being able to say you made it yourself is more impressive than saying "it's a Rolex" IMO. I used to work with a guy who made custom golf clubs for his friends and coworkers. It was considered a great privilege to have a set made by him. You could do the same making custom watches! I got the TimeZone's online course toolkit for Christmas of 2010 but haven't gotten around to taking their course. You have inspired me to do it now. Thank you! __________________ 116234 \| 116710 \| OMEGA 2551.80 \| Reverso GMT

29 February 2012, 03:52 AM	#24
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,253	Nice job Mike! Does kind of make me realize how much I've become accustomed to seeing all the markings that are on most of our watches. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

29 February 2012, 03:59 AM	#25
Z-Sub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So Cal, USA Watch: Not a ONEWatch Man Posts: 7,383	I like the more narrowed and tapered lugs on your watch than those on SubC __________________ SS Submariner Date "Z" SS SeaDweller "D" SS Submariner "Random" TT Blue Submariner "P" SS GMT-Master ll "M", Pepsi Pam 311, 524, 297

29 February 2012, 04:11 AM	#26
WhatTheDeuce "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Real Name: Kyung Location: Anywhere? Watch: cha want... Posts: 4,488	Very impressive!!

29 February 2012, 04:28 AM	#27
00Seven "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Nick Location: Kennesaw, GA Watch: Omega Posts: 825	That's pretty interesting. How much do you have in it (not including your time of course)? That would be a fun project.

29 February 2012, 04:28 AM	#28
Rollie2011 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: John Location: Palm Beach, FL Watch: Sub-C + Exp 42 Posts: 1,654	I think its a really really cool looking watch! __________________ John Submariner C LN Explorer 42 Polar

29 February 2012, 04:35 AM	#29
DSJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: USA Watch: your step! Posts: 7,882	That is a really nice oyster-style dive watch! __________________ Rolex. The Rolex of watches. 16570 Expy2 Noir, 116710 GMT Master II, 2552.80 SMP

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