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Goiguidoc · 10 May 2012, 02:35 AM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-ROLEX-J...0#ht_927wt_689

Stay away!

dysondiver · 10 May 2012, 02:37 AM

?

jerseyden · 10 May 2012, 03:20 AM

Please elaborate

lebowski321 · 10 May 2012, 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerseyden

Please elaborate

x2 I would like to know as well. Seller seems legit. 3,984 100% positive feedback.

imono · 10 May 2012, 04:17 AM

Many vintage Sub aficionado have claimed the long middle "E" in between the lugs is not authentic.
First picture is from auction link.
Second picture is of Sub with Short middle "E".

mrbill2mrbill2 · 10 May 2012, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lebowski321

x2 I would like to know as well. Seller seems legit. 3,984 100% positive feedback.

Looking at first 2 pages of seller feed back majority jewelry under $500 with 1 $4,500 ring. Now a $10k vintage Sub?

I would be wary of purchasing.

lebowski321 · 10 May 2012, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrbill2mrbill2

Looking at first 2 pages of seller feed back majority jewelry under $500 with 1 $4,500 ring. Now a $10k vintage Sub?

I would be wary of purchasing.

True, I did not look at the detailed feedback. From my personal experiences, I'd be wary purchasing any off of eBay.

mrbill2mrbill2 · 10 May 2012, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lebowski321

True, I did not look at the detailed feedback. From my personal experiences, I'd be wary purchasing any off of eBay.

So would I. I think I know what I'm doing, but I do not trust eBay/PayPal.

Spunga · 10 May 2012, 04:08 AM

It looks ok to my inexperienced eye, bezel also looks good but not the insert, but the serial looks wrong to me.

If you can expand your findings I would be grateful.

Spunga · 10 May 2012, 04:12 AM

Second look and I now think the insert looks ok. Hmmm

Spunga · 10 May 2012, 04:21 AM

I'm not sure a 6538 case even has 'Stainless Steel' stamped above the serial number, which to me still looks wrong.

Highland Ranger · 10 May 2012, 05:16 AM

110% refund authenticity guarantee . . . . .

bayerische · 10 May 2012, 06:35 AM

I think it's fake.

Goiguidoc · 10 May 2012, 07:20 AM

The crown is fake, never a good start.
Case is fake: Long EEs, shape of case and lug holes.
Bezel is fake
Insert is fake
Suspicious dial...

mcjp6 · 14 May 2012, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goiguidoc

The crown is fake, never a good start.
Case is fake: Long EEs, shape of case and lug holes.
Bezel is fake
Insert is fake
Suspicious dial...

On the money as always Greg.....

It may take a while but this scam is heading for the can.......

Goiguidoc · 10 May 2012, 07:33 AM

The seller might not be aware that the watch is fake.

Goiguidoc · 10 May 2012, 03:30 PM

6538 models are difficult to find.
6538 4 line Models are extremely rare.
However, three of these are now on EBay for sale

There are so many fakes around...
I would not buy one unless it has been authentified by Rolex head quarters.

Please find below a comment from Christies concerning a Rolex 6538 4 lines:

"Exhaustive research amongst scholars and international collectors of Rolex sports watches has resulted in the identification of only a handful of examples of the sought-after "OCC" reference 6538 Submariner. It is understood that only in 1956 and 1957, the year of manufacture of the present watch, Rolex added the "Officially Certified Chronometer" designation to this model."

bayerische · 10 May 2012, 07:45 PM

According to Orchi, as I remember, he has said that there has never been an long "E" case stamped by Rolex.

Stainless Steel wasn't stamped on cases back then?

Fakearoo.

Goiguidoc · 10 May 2012, 08:44 PM

I fully agree with Orchi.
I have never seen any long 'E' stamped on a Rolex case.

Goiguidoc · 11 May 2012, 04:30 AM

The current bid is $22'000.

1675-David · 11 May 2012, 04:34 AM

thats quite a sweet little deal... "GUARANTEED AUTHENTIC (110% refund gurantee)"

the current bidder stands to make 2200USD

azguy · 11 May 2012, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1675-David

thats quite a sweet little deal... "GUARANTEED AUTHENTIC (110% refund gurantee)"

the current bidder stands to make 2200USD

Good point

southtexas · 11 May 2012, 03:33 PM

It's up to 30k

jolimont · 11 May 2012, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azguy

Good point

LOL you could certainly make money on this "deal"

Goiguidoc · 11 May 2012, 05:02 AM

I already feel sorry for the winning bidder...
He could always claim the 110% refund :)

Goiguidoc · 11 May 2012, 07:50 PM

A TRF member has asked me to show the difference between a replacement and an original crown or winder.

Please find below a pic of an original crown:
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Please find below the pic of the replacement crown of the Ebay 6538:
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Note the perfect alignement between the bezel and the case on the first pic (original watch).

T-Rip · 12 May 2012, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goiguidoc

A TRF member has asked me to show the difference between a replacement and an original crown or winder.

Please find below a pic of an original crown:
Attachment 279278

Please find below the pic of the replacement crown of the Ebay 6538:
Attachment 279279

Note the perfect alignement between the bezel and the case on the first pic (original watch).

Why cant I see your pics

Goiguidoc · 12 May 2012, 03:05 AM

I don't see why you cannot see the pics.
It works with my PC and Iphone.
By the way, one seller retracted yesterday from the auction.
I hope it is thanks to TRF

77T · 12 May 2012, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1675-David

thats quite a sweet little deal... "GUARANTEED AUTHENTIC (110% refund gurantee)"

the current bidder stands to make 2200USD

I suppose - but the money could always be "funny"

Goiguidoc · 13 May 2012, 07:08 PM

Two people retracted from the auction.
The bid went from $30k to $25k!
Interesting...

10 May 2012, 02:35 AM	#1
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	Fake James Bond 6538 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-ROLEX-J...0#ht_927wt_689 Stay away!

10 May 2012, 04:17 AM	#5
imono "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: USA Posts: 3,241	Many vintage Sub aficionado have claimed the long middle "E" in between the lugs is not authentic. First picture is from auction link. Second picture is of Sub with Short middle "E". Attached Images

10 May 2012, 06:35 AM	#13
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	I think it's fake. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

10 May 2012, 07:45 PM	#18
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	According to Orchi, as I remember, he has said that there has never been an long "E" case stamped by Rolex. Stainless Steel wasn't stamped on cases back then? Fakearoo. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

11 May 2012, 07:50 PM	#26
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	A TRF member has asked me to show the difference between a replacement and an original crown or winder. Please find below a pic of an original crown: Please find below the pic of the replacement crown of the Ebay 6538: Note the perfect alignement between the bezel and the case on the first pic (original watch).

10 May 2012, 02:37 AM	#2
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	?

10 May 2012, 03:20 AM	#3
jerseyden "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Den Location: Jersey CI Posts: 510	Please elaborate

10 May 2012, 04:08 AM	#9
Spunga Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: England Posts: 650	It looks ok to my inexperienced eye, bezel also looks good but not the insert, but the serial looks wrong to me. If you can expand your findings I would be grateful.

10 May 2012, 04:12 AM	#10
Spunga Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: England Posts: 650	Second look and I now think the insert looks ok. Hmmm

10 May 2012, 04:21 AM	#11
Spunga Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: England Posts: 650	I'm not sure a 6538 case even has 'Stainless Steel' stamped above the serial number, which to me still looks wrong.

10 May 2012, 05:16 AM	#12
Highland Ranger "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 573	110% refund authenticity guarantee . . . . .

10 May 2012, 07:20 AM	#14
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	The crown is fake, never a good start. Case is fake: Long EEs, shape of case and lug holes. Bezel is fake Insert is fake Suspicious dial...

10 May 2012, 07:33 AM	#16
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	The seller might not be aware that the watch is fake.

10 May 2012, 03:30 PM	#17
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	6538 models are difficult to find. 6538 4 line Models are extremely rare. However, three of these are now on EBay for sale There are so many fakes around... I would not buy one unless it has been authentified by Rolex head quarters. Please find below a comment from Christies concerning a Rolex 6538 4 lines: "Exhaustive research amongst scholars and international collectors of Rolex sports watches has resulted in the identification of only a handful of examples of the sought-after "OCC" reference 6538 Submariner. It is understood that only in 1956 and 1957, the year of manufacture of the present watch, Rolex added the "Officially Certified Chronometer" designation to this model."

10 May 2012, 08:44 PM	#19
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	I fully agree with Orchi. I have never seen any long 'E' stamped on a Rolex case.

11 May 2012, 04:30 AM	#20
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	The current bid is $22'000.

11 May 2012, 04:34 AM	#21
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,061	thats quite a sweet little deal... "GUARANTEED AUTHENTIC (110% refund gurantee)" the current bidder stands to make 2200USD

11 May 2012, 03:33 PM	#23
southtexas 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Great State of TX Posts: 5,763	It's up to 30k

11 May 2012, 05:02 AM	#25
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	I already feel sorry for the winning bidder... He could always claim the 110% refund :)

12 May 2012, 03:05 AM	#28
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	I don't see why you cannot see the pics. It works with my PC and Iphone. By the way, one seller retracted yesterday from the auction. I hope it is thanks to TRF

13 May 2012, 07:08 PM	#30
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	Two people retracted from the auction. The bid went from $30k to $25k! Interesting...

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