England in the Rugby Worldcup Final

[Fitchy]

England 14

France 9

Well done Lads

[Andad]

Well done England.

I was born in Aberdeen.
Moved to Auckland when I was 18.
moved to Adelaide when I was 22
My father was French.

Hey Bull,

I only have South Africa left - go Bocs.

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Well done England.

I was born in Aberdeen.
Moved to Auckland when I was 18.
moved to Adelaide when I was 22
My father was French.

Hey Bull,

I only have South Africa left - go Bocs.

36-0

[CEG]

More of a football fan myself (I'm off to Moscow on Wednesday to watch the lads) but have to admit to being glued to the Rugby last nite - good on em.. English grit - makes you proud

[Fitchy]

Originally Posted by Blue Bull

36-0

Good point Bull, but England turned over mighty France on their home turf....don't count your chickens just yet.

Best of British luck to the Boks

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by Fitchy

troll

Are you from Basildon ?

[Teofilo]

Originally Posted by Blue Bull

36-0

Old news.................

[Fitchy]

Originally Posted by Blue Bull

Dont worry Phil,we are cool ,the English as a subspecies,are just so patronizing.You know what I mean ..

Tut tut...

[Hannibal]

Hi,

England did the exactlly same game than against Australia. They have this capability to make the best teams play like dopes.
French kicks were pityfull but they insisted playing this way. To me the solution was on the wings. Anyway, well done.

[TARDIS]

Originally Posted by Hannibal

Hi,

England did the exactlly same game than against Australia. They have this capability to make the best teams play like dopes.
French kicks were pityfull but they insisted playing this way. To me the solution was on the wings. Anyway, well done.

Merci Hannibal

[TARDIS]

Where are the MODERATORS!!!!!!!

Hell, this guy is sick.

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by TARDIS

Where are the MODERATORS!!!!!!!

Hell, this guy is sick.

Actually ,I am ,I've got the cold and its spring/summer in our parts.Nose is running like crazy ..... Ears are blocked.Its been a week now.A cold in summer !!!

[Blue Bull]

The supporters .....

[Gedanken]

Chris, you're going to want to wind your neck in, and I mean right the hell now.

It's just a bloody game, so get a grip and behave yourself. You're way out of line with all this war, concentration camp and subspecies crap. I don't give a rat's how excited you are - we've got no space for any "master race" attitudes here, and if I see any more of this from you, you're out the door with no questions asked.

[Blue Bull]

Sir Gedanken,this has been dealt with by moderator Paulie (Mailman) a few days ago via pm.I have already apologized..Its been sorted out.He specifically said I lose no infringement points .As far as I am concerned ,case closed.

So perhaps it a bit late,for you, to jump on my back,now.I must say ,I dont appreciate your "Master Race" remark.

I accept this is now a thing of the pastPlease feel free to contact Mailman to confirm.

Life and the forum goes on .

[Teofilo]

I have been away on the North York Moors for a few days.....I guess this thread has been heavily edited in my absence, because I cant connect the dots of who said what to who...??????

[Gedanken]

You may not appreciate the "master race" remark, but seeing how you quite happily dragged issues of wars and concentration camps into a discussion about a silly game, deeming fit to class a nation as a subspecies, I stand by my description of your mentality.

Regardless of how many hours (72 at the most?) old your posts are, it doesn't change the fact that I'm putting you on notice for your behaviour. Also, you may have apologised to Paul, but from Teofilo's response you seem to have apologised to the wrong person, and I see no sign of any apology to Fitchy either - as such, the case is not necessarily closed as you assume, even if you don't get any infraction points.

Vis-a-vis your not receiving any points at this time, I suggest you re-read my previous post carefully, in particular the bit that states:

I see any more of this from you, you're out the door with no questions asked

I'll interpret it clearly so that there's no misunderstanding later: do this again and you will be banned - this is as much warning as you're going to get.

Moving ahead, I expect to see no more of this sort of thing from you.

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

You may not appreciate the "master race" remark, but seeing how you quite happily dragged issues of wars and concentration camps into a discussion about a silly game, deeming fit to class a nation as a subspecies, I stand by my description of your mentality.

Regardless of how many hours (72 at the most?) old your posts are, it doesn't change the fact that I'm putting you on notice for your behaviour. Also, you may have apologised to Paul, but from Teofilo's response you seem to have apologised to the wrong person, and I see no sign of any apology to Fitchy either - as such, the case is not necessarily closed as you assume, even if you don't get any infraction points.

Vis-a-vis your not receiving any points at this time, I suggest you re-read my previous post carefully, in particular the bit that states:



I'll interpret it clearly so that there's no misunderstanding later: do this again and you will be banned - this is as much warning as you're going to get.

Moving ahead, I expect to see no more of this sort of thing from you.

There is no moving ahead.I am not going to have you watch over my shoulder the whole time,for the slightest small perceived infringement.

What I expected from my initial postings was some needle back,from the English rugby supporters.To really let me have it.Yet boringly,this did not happen.Instead, moderators was involved.Huge offense taken by all and now I'm made out as some bloody Nazi "master race" person by Gedanken.Subspecies as in division of species not as bloody inferior !!!

Go and look at the English newspapers ...taking the mickey out of Percy Montgomery.Huge pic of Percy with the words "Mess with his hair and you win the world cup".Before the group match when Jonny was injured,a reporter wrote "Jonny is now so injury prone that he should be careful when he cracks his hardboiled egg,that he does not tear a ligament" In the TRF world I am sure they would have called their legal representatives by now .... ???

When England played Germany in the Euro cup a few years ago,the press had a field day and bought WW II up constantly."Fritz" and "Blitzkrieg" on many headlines.At least most saw a funny side to it ...............

Our cardiovascular perfusionist is a raw Pommie.Now imagine what we have said to each other,in the run up to this game.Tomorrow in hosp,we all dress up in our Springbok attire,he will sport his English shirt and we will have a great time.I promise you he is safe and wont be tortured,cooked and eaten. He married a SA girl and we have said many times he has now messed up our gene pool .... Funnily,he laughed about it.We have been working together for 7 years.

So perhaps,the problem lies not with me,but with your utter lack of insight in history,the game and perhaps any sense of humour. This game has an illustrious history.Our Currie Cup was donated by Sir Donald Currie in 1890.Heaven forbid,an Englishman.There is a lot of history involved in this game,so dont call it silly. I can assure you,its dear to many and thats many across the world.Did you see that tears of pride and passion in the Argentinians eyes when their anthem was played ???

So there you have it.You decide now,Gedanken.You want to ban me,go ahead.You can also stick that "master race' remark up your ...

To all the English and Springbok supporters,enjoy the game ... and yes,Fitchy,that includes you.

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by Blue Bull

What I expected from my initial postings was some needle back,from the English rugby supporters. To really let me have it. Yet boringly,this did not happen. Instead, moderators was involved.

By "needle back" you seem to be admitting that you intended to cause animosity and you wanted other members to 'really let you have it'.

This is not appropriate in itself as there is a policy on almost every forum about generating animosity amongst members. It is a 'troll' tactic.

Further, you used race as the basis of your 'needle work' which is again clearly outside the policy of this forum and the terms upon which you agreed to abide when joining the forum.

The negative reactions to your post (as you had so engineered it) came from regular members. Only after that did the moderators get involved.

Now you refuse to take the advice of the moderators, and act as though they are the bad guys in all this. A number of posts had to be moderated in reply to your post because of the displeasure you successfully incited.

It seems, for the good of the forum, that there is no alternative open in these circumstances.

[Gedanken]

Well, that's that. I don't know how this guy thinks that ragsheets and locker-room banter have anything to do with justifying his inane behaviour, and frankly his muckraking smacks of David Duke more than anything resembling jocularity.

Gee, classifying a culture as a subspecies. Speaking of history, Berlin 1933, anyone?

Thanks for pulling the plug on this guy, Steve. We don't need that sort of trash around here.

[Fitchy]

There was no locker room banter in this guys posts they all contained pure hate and venom.

Glad he's gone

[Teofilo]

When I first lurked at the start of the year Blue Bull,Kansaivet and Leopardprey were the posters that I always looked out for.
Gradually though Blue Bull got more and more spiteful in his comments.

I was away in Yorkshire during this latest sh~tstorm, so missed most of the offending comments,although Fitchy pm'd me some of the details.

This is just so bad on what is supposed to be a friendly forum. On the bright side does that mean that Uncle AJ will be back ?

I am grateful to Gedanken and other moderators for taking a firm line with anyone on the forum who deliberately sets out to cause real upset to other members. I work in a robust enviroment and dont need pampering, but some things are just wrong and need sorting quickly and firmly.

[JJ Irani]

I just got banned for 10 minutes yesterday by Paulie (mailman)!!! Wonder what the hell I did to piss him off?

But then that bugger keeps banning me on regular intervals for short bursts at a time!!

[T5AUS]

Moving on, didn't the Argies take it to the French, one of the best games of the tournament so far, lets hope the final is as equally entertaining

[mailman]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

I just got banned for 10 minutes yesterday by Paulie (mailman)!!! Wonder what the hell I did to piss him off?

But then that bugger keeps banning me on regular intervals for short bursts at a time!!

Next time, it's off with your head :

[Warped]

We are the Champions of the World! :c heers::che ers::cheer s:

No time for losers!

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by Warped

No time for losers!

You can celebrate, that's fine, but you might want to be just a little respectful towards others, as that comment might fairly be viewed as antagonistic.

[Gedanken]

Thank you, Peter. I do hope Adrian returns as well - he's always been a true gent.

One of the implications of having an open-door policy is that we've got the full gamut of personalities and world views coming aboard, so there are bound to be clashes. For most part, our members are mature enough to understand that freedom of speech is necessarily accompanied by the responsibility to exercise prudence in speech. Guys like Tom or Chad are outspoken but they don't go out of their way to offend, and from my experience most members have been excellent in sorting things out once they realise things have gotten out of hand.

On the other hand, just because we welcome people doesn't give anybody the licence to strip down to his knickers, hijack the television remote control, raid the beer fridge and then holler for room service. Blue Bull not only failed to acknowledge what he did wrong, he tried justifying it with irrelevant historical references. It's the old snake-oil salesman's trick: if you cannot convince, confuse. Well, it's just tough luck that kind of lame smoke screen doesn't work here. The message he sent out was that he thought there was nothing wrong with what he did, and that he was justified in doing it again. The obvious conclusion, then, was that the needs of the community here were outweighed by his wishes to do as he bloody well pleased, so his continued presence here was pointless.

[Lloyd]

As in 1995 its going to be a very subduded Sunday after , the oke's are suffering from a major BABALAS (HANGOVER) Hats of to the POMMIES they played a hard game pity no tries, AMMA BOKKE BOKKE !!!!

[leopardprey]

Well, we do have to remember where he is coming from. A country where now Whites are being severely persecuted. White Farmers and ranchers being kicked of their property. Rights being taken away, and crime out of control. South Africa was much more stable in the past under old regimes (though there were faults as well). It upsets me when I see what is happening to many of my good friends in SA, yet the media does not give it any coverage. An example of this was my Hunting Guide, who bought a large Ranch 10 years ago, and then last year the government came in and reclaimed it and took it away from him because he is white. He received no compensation. If it was the other way around the media would be all over it.
Again, I can not comment on BB's post, as they were deleted before I viewed, so no idea.
I believe that to discriminate against any person, due to the color of their skin is wrong. Actions of people are what should be discriminated against. There are a lot of places in Africa where the countries have regressed into Darkness, evil abounds, and the people have lost all moral values. South Africa used to have one of the best Armys in the world, now it is decimated and their is over a 60% HIV rate amongst the soldiers. Very sad and poor leadership in this nation.

Not trying to get another argument started, just wanting others to know that Blue Bull, an Educated Surgeon, is going through a lot of turmoil now and may be having to give up all he and his family worked so hard to acheive, as they now may have to leave and seek refuge in another country. Same thing alread happend as well with SA's neighbor,, Zim....