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mottykytu · 29 June 2012, 02:24 AM

Some more picture, can you guy have me ID The authentic of it ? The dealer in my countries cost 200 USD for checking the authentic of a watch :((
MANY THANKS .... It is a "F" 2004 16610

mjclark32 · 29 June 2012, 02:27 AM

Looks ok to me but the experts will be here soon.

kamaran · 29 June 2012, 02:35 AM

Can't see any engraving in the REHAUT and the Cyclops magnification looks poor?

Can you post pics of the case back?

rmfnla · 29 June 2012, 02:37 AM

The logo on the crown sits perfectly so it must be real!

Better pictures would help...

topofk2 · 4 July 2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rmfnla

The logo on the crown sits perfectly so it must be real!

...

unknown · 29 June 2012, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by kamaran

Can't see any engraving in the REHAUT and the Cyclops magnification looks poor?

Can you post pics of the case back?

a 2004 did not have the engraving, that started later

For me it looks okay but it's hard to see if you only have pics. How does it feel ? Does it feel solid ? The weight ?
Did you check the serial number on the watch and the papers ?

If a dealer asks 200, I think it's a stupid dealer. They should do it for free, you might become a good client in the future.

On the other hand, if you're not sure .... pay the 200, we're talking about a 6K watch. you could loose a lot more than 200

swissautopro · 29 June 2012, 03:29 AM

The watch is good. No rehaut engraving with an "F".

kilyung · 29 June 2012, 03:50 AM

Looks legit by the photos but the only way to be 100% sure is to open the back.

MortgageGuy · 29 June 2012, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

Looks legit by the photos but the only way to be 100% sure is to open the back.

beshannon · 29 June 2012, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

Looks legit by the photos but the only way to be 100% sure is to open the back.

Exactly

coralhound · 29 June 2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozzy12

It looks just like my LV I would say your good. Also if you look closely you can see the crown in the crystal ever so feintly, too vivid and it's a fake, or not at all it's a fake. As far as bezel colors go, they changed during LV production and like all bezels they fade and turn colors taking on different hues I wouldn't buy or not buy based on that alone. An rsc can replace a bezel tomorrow for you and the color will look totally different I'm sure.

Furthermore the serial starting with an F7 should be a Mark 2 dial, and this does appear to be a mark two with the pointed 4 on the "40" bezel, the R in Oyster lines up between the feet of the R in Rolex, and the Swiss Made goes across 5 second markers or ticks. I would say it is 95% legit, the movement is the only question that no one can answer unless you get the watch opened up; and for that you usually have to buy the seller.

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Originally Posted by beshannon

Exactly

This is all very good advice to check, based on the pictures it seems legit. I have to disagree with the Mark II
I have an early F with Mark1 dial much like this, the swiss made wide (5 seconds span), oval O, R in oyster under the middle of the R in Rolex.

The crown on the crystal is a good indication the fakes, even the highest quality ones have them too visible. The real thing you only see with magnification and directed light raking across.
Taking the band off will help a little to see the engravings on the case.
Taking the back off will get you as certain as can be!

Here is a good resource for the 50th LV

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...Vert%29+-+The+

I hope that helps

77T · 29 June 2012, 04:39 AM

The bezel color looks wrong - just as it did the other time you asked about this watch.

rmfnla · 29 June 2012, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 77T

The bezel color looks wrong - just as it did the other time you asked about this watch.

Can't really tell from a photograph.

In fact, the color varies from one photo to another...

floater156 · 29 June 2012, 04:45 AM

If you even have to ask, I would steer clear. Stick with an AD or TRF trusted seller. my 2 cents

Ozzy12 · 29 June 2012, 04:57 AM

It looks just like my LV I would say your good. Also if you look closely you can see the crown in the crystal ever so feintly, too vivid and it's a fake, or not at all it's a fake. As far as bezel colors go, they changed during LV production and like all bezels they fade and turn colors taking on different hues I wouldn't buy or not buy based on that alone. An rsc can replace a bezel tomorrow for you and the color will look totally different I'm sure.

Furthermore the serial starting with an F7 should be a Mark 2 dial, and this does appear to be a mark two with the pointed 4 on the "40" bezel, the R in Oyster lines up between the feet of the R in Rolex, and the Swiss Made goes across 5 second markers or ticks. I would say it is 95% legit, the movement is the only question that no one can answer unless you get the watch opened up; and for that you usually have to buy the seller.

datejust24 · 29 June 2012, 05:01 AM

looks good to me too..

Blong · 29 June 2012, 05:45 AM

What about the crown above the L....I know it is supposed to be directly above the L, but this looks like the middle of the crown is perfectly centered above the beginning side of the L....which when I look at real subs that is not the case. Curious on others thoughts about this? Looks like a pretty good fake to me, but just not completely right...

mannyv11 · 29 June 2012, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Blong

What about the crown above the L....I know it is supposed to be directly above the L, but this looks like the middle of the crown is perfectly centered above the beginning side of the L....which when I look at real subs that is not the case. Curious on others thoughts about this? Looks like a pretty good fake to me, but just not completely right...

check out the for sale section all the subs I have looked at (which after you said that was 4 or 5) sit exactly like this one does that we are looking at. The crown sits at the start of the L it looks like to me...

perpetualman88 · 29 June 2012, 05:57 AM

looks fine to me

Check the screws on the end links are the heads polished or are they brushed ?

you want them to be brushed many fakes have them polished

Fishnyc · 29 June 2012, 06:00 AM

Fake.

jackwebb · 29 June 2012, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishnyc

Fake.

Can you elaborate?

kilyung · 29 June 2012, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishnyc

Fake.

That's not cool. The OP's asking for assurance that the watch he's interested in isn't fake. Just throwing out a "fake" without explaining the basis for the opinion just increases his anxiety.

Kringkily · 29 June 2012, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishnyc

Fake.

uhh that was poor taste

le_baroudeur · 29 June 2012, 06:19 AM

Looks perfect for me! (and i've got one). Go to rsc and change all gaskets after purchase, just to be sure it is waterproof. Then you'll be really sure. By!

jackwebb · 29 June 2012, 06:24 AM

The crown guards look good and the crown is offset from the case nicely. It looks good.

springer · 29 June 2012, 07:13 AM

Looks 100% genuine. It has no identifiers found on the counterfeit LV's.

swissautopro · 29 June 2012, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by springer

Looks 100% genuine. It has no identifiers found on the counterfeit LV's.

John is correct. As I stated earlier, the watch in the photos is good. The early inserts were a slightly different shade of green. Oval "O", etc. And, I own one.

Puffy · 29 June 2012, 07:27 AM

looks about right

the insert isn't period correct, it should be a flat 4

HORNBLOWER · 29 June 2012, 07:31 AM

looks like mine, you need to pull the hood, take off the bracelet, check the sels and numbers.

valentine · 29 June 2012, 07:51 AM

Crown guards concern me a bit as some franken watches have trimmed CGs and they look very slim. Pop the caaeback. It's the only way to tell anymore.

29 June 2012, 02:24 AM	#1
mottykytu Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: VIETNAM Posts: 81	Plz help me to ID whether this 16610 LV is Authentic or not ? Some more picture, can you guy have me ID The authentic of it ? The dealer in my countries cost 200 USD for checking the authentic of a watch :(( MANY THANKS .... It is a "F" 2004 16610

29 June 2012, 02:27 AM	#2
mjclark32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: MJC Location: PHL USA Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP Posts: 29,232	Looks ok to me but the experts will be here soon. __________________

29 June 2012, 02:37 AM	#4
rmfnla "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Richard Location: Los Angeles, CA Watch: TT DJ Posts: 4,456	The logo on the crown sits perfectly so it must be real! Better pictures would help... __________________ Today, I believe my jurisdiction ends here... Lug Hole Lover®

29 June 2012, 03:29 AM	#7
swissautopro "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: South Carolina Watch: 3.3M 1655 Mk I Posts: 2,384	The watch is good. No rehaut engraving with an "F". __________________ "A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a bandit, and scarcity like an armed man." Proverbs 24 "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt." Unknown "Better to be a nobody and yet have a servant than pretend to be somebody and have no food." Proverbs 12

29 June 2012, 04:39 AM	#12
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,013	The bezel color looks wrong - just as it did the other time you asked about this watch. __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

29 June 2012, 02:35 AM	#3
kamaran "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London Posts: 23	Can't see any engraving in the REHAUT and the Cyclops magnification looks poor? Can you post pics of the case back?

29 June 2012, 03:50 AM	#8
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Looks legit by the photos but the only way to be 100% sure is to open the back.

29 June 2012, 04:45 AM	#14
floater156 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Chris Location: Wisconsin Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,984	If you even have to ask, I would steer clear. Stick with an AD or TRF trusted seller. my 2 cents __________________ Lead by example through production.

29 June 2012, 04:57 AM	#15
Ozzy12 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 205	It looks just like my LV I would say your good. Also if you look closely you can see the crown in the crystal ever so feintly, too vivid and it's a fake, or not at all it's a fake. As far as bezel colors go, they changed during LV production and like all bezels they fade and turn colors taking on different hues I wouldn't buy or not buy based on that alone. An rsc can replace a bezel tomorrow for you and the color will look totally different I'm sure. Furthermore the serial starting with an F7 should be a Mark 2 dial, and this does appear to be a mark two with the pointed 4 on the "40" bezel, the R in Oyster lines up between the feet of the R in Rolex, and the Swiss Made goes across 5 second markers or ticks. I would say it is 95% legit, the movement is the only question that no one can answer unless you get the watch opened up; and for that you usually have to buy the seller.

29 June 2012, 05:01 AM	#16
datejust24 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Chris Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Watch: Rolexssss Posts: 3,504	looks good to me too..

29 June 2012, 05:45 AM	#17
Blong "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Brian Location: Manhattan Watch: 116520 Black Posts: 287	What about the crown above the L....I know it is supposed to be directly above the L, but this looks like the middle of the crown is perfectly centered above the beginning side of the L....which when I look at real subs that is not the case. Curious on others thoughts about this? Looks like a pretty good fake to me, but just not completely right...

29 June 2012, 05:57 AM	#19
perpetualman88 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: David Farkas Location: Los Angeles Watch: 116610, 5712/1A Posts: 8,182	looks fine to me Check the screws on the end links are the heads polished or are they brushed ? you want them to be brushed many fakes have them polished

29 June 2012, 06:00 AM	#20
Fishnyc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Real Name: Fish Location: New york Watch: 116528 blue Arabic Posts: 4	Fake.

29 June 2012, 06:19 AM	#24
le_baroudeur "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rennes, FRANCE Posts: 802	Looks perfect for me! (and i've got one). Go to rsc and change all gaskets after purchase, just to be sure it is waterproof. Then you'll be really sure. By! __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons.

29 June 2012, 06:24 AM	#25
jackwebb "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: Louisville KY Watch: crazy Posts: 634	The crown guards look good and the crown is offset from the case nicely. It looks good. __________________ Instagram is jackw3bb https://www.instagram.com/jackw3bb/

29 June 2012, 07:13 AM	#26
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	Looks 100% genuine. It has no identifiers found on the counterfeit LV's. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

29 June 2012, 07:27 AM	#28
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	looks about right the insert isn't period correct, it should be a flat 4 __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

29 June 2012, 07:31 AM	#29
HORNBLOWER "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Ben Location: Ireland Watch: 1 OR 2 Posts: 2,640	looks like mine, you need to pull the hood, take off the bracelet, check the sels and numbers.

29 June 2012, 07:51 AM	#30
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	Crown guards concern me a bit as some franken watches have trimmed CGs and they look very slim. Pop the caaeback. It's the only way to tell anymore.

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