New Tudor MSRP

[SohAIS]

Hello guys I have been itching to experiment with the Tudor's lately. I have an upcoming trip to Hong Kong next month and I was thinking of buying one or may be two of the three models while there. Does any one know the MSRP of the following.

Pelagos
Black bay
Heritage chronograph.

How is the resale in terms of desirability of these watches in case I want to sell and get something else. Is it better to just pick a preowned one here or the prices there make sense to by new in Hong Kong.

Thanks

[77T]

I'm thinking the domestic pre-owned market would yield better values versus BNIB + duty.

[SohAIS]

I had read on another thread a member preordering his Pelagos for 3950. New ones here are around 5500.

[swiss ghost]

Originally Posted by sohail

I had read on another thread a member preordering his Pelagos for 3950. New ones here are around 5500.

where 5500? georgia usa? canadian msrp for the pelagos is 3900 cdn

[SohAIS]

i meant 3950 canadian. I have seen the Pelagos listed here on the forum for $5500

[swiss ghost]

Originally Posted by sohail

i meant 3950 canadian. I have seen the Pelagos listed here on the forum for $5500

thats insane. why marked up so much? they wont be hard to find outside of the USA

only a sucker would pay 5500 for a pelagos. period.

[10:10:31 28]

Originally Posted by swiss ghost

thats insane. why marked up so much? they wont be hard to find outside of the USA

That's because the majority of people on this forum live in the USA where Rolex in it's infinite wisdom (sarcasm) decided not to offer the Tudor line. Unless they are already planning on taking a trip they have to pay a premium to get one from someone on their behalf. It seems clear now however that the Black Bay and Pelagos are not such a rare commodity and asking prices have been declining, albeit slowly.

[77T]

True - I was comparing pre-owned here vs. BNIB there per your question:

"Is it better to just pick a preowned one here or the prices there make sense to by new in Hong Kong."

[SohAIS]

I think the fact that they are so new will make it harder to get a pre-owned at a decent price.

[Alcan]

These suggested retail prices are from the July 2012 Tudor Canada catalogue.


25500TN Pelagos $3,950.00

79220R Heritage Black Bay $2,950.00 with vintage leather bracelet. $3,250.00 with steel bracelet

70330H Heritage Chrono $4,200.00

[kymwatchlog]

Originally Posted by Alcan

These suggested retail prices are from the July 2012 Tudor Canada catalogue.


25500TN Pelagos $3,950.00

79220R Heritage Black Bay $2,950.00 with vintage leather bracelet. $3,250.00 with steel bracelet

70330H Heritage Chrono $4,200.00

$700 just for an added 300m WR and Ti comstruction? i think underpriced?

[Megalobyte]

Originally Posted by kymwatchlog

$700 just for an added 300m WR and Ti comstruction? i think underpriced?

And a back-lumed matte ceramic bezel, and a pretty nifty adjustable clasp. Pretty reasonable I think.

[kymwatchlog]

reasonable for sure!

i have a BB and to think that if i add ard $700 i can get a pelagos, not bad!

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by Alcan

These suggested retail prices are from the July 2012 Tudor Canada catalogue.


25500TN Pelagos $3,950.00

79220R Heritage Black Bay $2,950.00 with vintage leather bracelet. $3,250.00 with steel bracelet
70330H Heritage Chrono $4,200.00

That is such a smoking deal for a new watch in 2012. I simply can't see a reason why a Sub (in house movement and all), should cost 2.5x that amount. The value just isn't there for me anymore, and it seems that Rolex is now targeting Tudor to people like me (the pre-maxi case, <$5,000 MSRP, Rolex buyer).

[Robbie68]

Depends on exchange rates at the time. I paid $3405 for a BB plus ten percent premium, shipping and $100 import duty. Problem with them being import only is there is no set msrp it depends where you can get one from and the X rate on the day. To get a BB at the moment is probably going to be heading for 4k.

[harry in montreal]

dont you guys find that a clean vintage tudor snowflake sub to be a deal at 3000-3500? it has all the rolex goodies and will only appreciate. i love the new tudors, but paying 4-5k is pretty crazy. i guess i am just old school - i love my tudor sub because of the common elements with the rolex sister

[lhanddds]

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

dont you guys find that a clean vintage tudor snowflake sub to be a deal at 3000-3500? it has all the rolex goodies and will only appreciate. i love the new tudors, but paying 4-5k is pretty crazy. i guess i am just old school - i love my tudor sub because of the common elements with the rolex sister

X2

[malarky_hk]

FYI - the Black Bay and Pelagos are not yet available in Hong Kong. Went to a couple of different ADs and got different answers as to when they will be available. Some said mid-September; some said end of the year.

As for the Heritage Chrono, you can find them pretty easily at secondary market dealers all over Hong Kong.

[djemmtee]

I wish they were available in the US...such a bummer I have to go to canada to locate one!

[Canadianjam2]

They are all nice in their own way, but i think the THC still is the straw that stirs the drink for the Tudor Heritage lineup.

[Frogman4me]

buy all 3! If you don't like then sell to me lol

[SohAIS]

Thanks guys for all the helpful information. I see that a pre-owned heritage chrono is way down from its current Msrp here in the US gray market. But a new Black Bay is way up from its current Msrp. can some one comment why is that.

[handsfull]

Current supply and demand. Give it some time and you'll see the black bay prices reflect a similar pattern as the chrono.

I love the BB too, but being worth more than 3250.00 on a watch with an ETA movement is pushing the limits IMO. Any amount over 1000.00, I am paying particular attention to what's 'under the hood'....

[Megalobyte]

Originally Posted by handsfull

Current supply and demand. Give it some time and you'll see the black bay prices reflect a similar pattern as the chrono.

I love the BB too, but being worth more than 3250.00 on a watch with an ETA movement is pushing the limits IMO. Any amount over 1000.00, I am paying particular attention to what's 'under the hood'....

You must REALLY hate Panerai then. :)

[handsfull]

Originally Posted by Megalobyte

You must REALLY hate Panerai then. :)

LOL! I like them....just on other peoples wrists (wallets)!


Nothing against ETA, I think they produce quality product, but 3250.00 is plenty for an ETA based diver even with their highest grade 2824.

[Canadianjam2]

dont forget Omega, Tudor, TAG etc all use modified ETA, and all for well over $1000 so they must not be that bad. Keep in mind there are 4-5 grades of ETA's, and im sure Rolex would not put less than a Chronometer grade in the Tudor's. Just my .02

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by Canadianjam2

dont forget Omega, Tudor, TAG etc all use modified ETA, and all for well over $1000 so they must not be that bad. Keep in mind there are 4-5 grades of ETA's, and im sure Rolex would not put less than a Chronometer grade in the Tudor's. Just my .02

Don't forget IWC. They use the standard ETA models on their basic watches, and highly modified 7750's in a few watches (the very expensive double chrono for instance).

I don't think that ~3200 is too expensive for an ETA Tudor when a Sub is ~8500. Sure the Sub has an in-house movement, but it's not as if it's a rare or advanced movement with amazing finishing (it's not).

[swiss ghost]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

Don't forget IWC. They use the standard ETA models on their basic watches, and highly modified 7750's in a few watches (the very expensive double chrono for instance).

I don't think that ~3200 is too expensive for an ETA Tudor when a Sub is ~8500. Sure the Sub has an in-house movement, but it's not as if it's a rare or advanced movement with amazing finishing (it's not).

IWC uses the top eta 'chronometer grade' NOT standard grade and has changes made to it exclusively for IWC. IWC has their own specs that exceed COSC, they want their watches to run even to + 6 only, IWC doesent accept slow timing like COSC. IWC used to modify the ETA themselves but now with the current situation ETA does it for them at IWCs specs. an IWC ETA 2892 is about as good as it gets for an ETA

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by swiss ghost

IWC uses the top eta 'chronometer grade' NOT standard grade and has changes made to it exclusively for IWC. IWC has their own specs that exceed COSC, they want their watches to run even to + 6 only, IWC doesent accept slow timing like COSC. IWC used to modify the ETA themselves but now with the current situation ETA does it for them at IWCs specs. an IWC ETA 2892 is about as good as it gets for an ETA

I know. I'm wearing my IWC Ref. 3536 (with IWC modified ETA movement). I love this watch. Its movement is rock solid, just like my Rolex GMT2.

However, I'm not sure that it has ever been shown (beyond doubt) that the current "IWC spec" ETA movements are actually supplied only to IWC. There has been a ton of debate about it on the IWC collector forum. Ultimately though, a watch is more than a movement.

[swiss ghost]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

I know. I'm wearing my IWC Ref. 3536 (with IWC modified ETA movement). I love this watch. Its movement is rock solid, just like my Rolex GMT2.

However, I'm not sure that it has ever been shown (beyond doubt) that the current "IWC spec" ETA movements are actually supplied only to IWC. There has been a ton of debate about it on the IWC collector forum. Ultimately though, a watch is more than a movement.

absolutely it has been shown. its on IWCs website. go to aqautimer 2000 and click 'comments' beneath and IWC states this: here it is:



IWC SCHAFFHAUSEN
6 months, 2 weeks ago
Dear DS75,
IWC Schaffhausen has four of its own caliber families featuring IWC-manufactured movements at its disposal. In addition to the existing automatic and hand-wound calibers, IWC launched its first in-house chronograph movement in 2007. The range of products from IWC is clearly segmented and runs from sports to classic watches. IWC-manufactured calibers are mainly used to power watch models in the higher segments.

High-quality ETA movements are used for the entry-level segment. Ever since ETA’s strategic medium-term decision to discontinue the supply of ébauches (i.e. movement kits) and to make only fully assembled movements, we have been in a period of transition. As a result, since 2007, we have been using ETA’s fully assembled movements, manufactured to our standards and specifications, as well as our own calibers, assembled in our workshops and based on the Valjoux 7750 ébauche. The number of ébauches supplied has been decreasing steadily since then, and deliveries were ceased altogether at the beginning of 2011. From now on, ETA will supply us only with fully assembled movements. However, since ETA has already integrated all the modifications required by IWC into its production processes, these complete movements also feature all the latest developments and comply with IWC’s high quality standards. Regardless of whether the ébauche is assembled by IWC or ETA supplies a fully assembled movement, every single one of them is subjected to IWC’s comprehensive and exacting testing procedures.

We regard an IWC watch as an all-round work of art. Together with the movement, the form and the design, selected exclusive materials and outstanding ease of use combine to ensure that our timepieces represent a precision product of the highest quality across all price categories.

With best wishes from Schaffhausen