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rw170driver · 18 September 2012, 08:26 AM

Hey folks, I'm a long time lurker but first time poster. I have a friend who wants to sell his 95 stainless steel sub. He took care of it in all other ways but he's never had it overhauled. Would this be a poor purchase or a good one? Price is competitive and not really a factor as I would be helping out a friend. This would be 1/2 of my ultimate stainless sub and gmt stable I'm saving for. I turn it loose to all you Rolex experts. . .

beshannon · 18 September 2012, 08:29 AM

Not sure how we can help? No images, no description of condition, does it have the box and papers? How did you determine the price was competitive?

rw170driver · 18 September 2012, 08:45 AM

Yes, it has box and papers. I've searched for prices of similar models from that year and it's comparable. Maybe a little high but I'd save several thousand and help a friend out. I've held the watch, worn it, and examined it and it's in excellent condition. My only concern is the fact it's been a daily wearer and never overhauled.

Tools · 18 September 2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rw170driver

Yes, it has box and papers. I've searched for prices of similar models from that year and it's comparable. Maybe a little high but I'd save several thousand and help a friend out. I've held the watch, worn it, and examined it and it's in excellent condition. My only concern is the fact it's been a daily wearer and never overhauled.

If you know that it's been well take care of, then why not !! Only you can decide if the price he is selling for is a price you are willing to pay..

You should expect to get it properly serviced if you want it to be it's freshest and most "like new". This may be a negotiating point, but don't expect to deduct your cost for a service as a condition to buy.. Service is up to you, not to him..

slcbbrown · 19 September 2012, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

If you know that it's been well take care of, then why not !! Only you can decide if the price he is selling for is a price you are willing to pay..

You should expect to get it properly serviced if you want it to be it's freshest and most "like new". This may be a negotiating point, but don't expect to deduct your cost for a service as a condition to buy.. Service is up to you, not to him..

These watches are good for 50+ years, so buying used isn't an issue for me. I'd budget a service and enjoy the watch. Good luck.

Wllnv19 · 18 September 2012, 08:52 AM

It should be overhauled you need to add the cost of that to the price of the watch. An overhaul could be pricey.

superdog · 18 September 2012, 09:52 AM

I'm probably wrong, but it kinda sounds like he is taking advantage of you.

You said yourself: it's a little high based on your research. You also say that you'd be helping a friend. What about him also helping you and you both make out?

gwalker · 18 September 2012, 09:58 AM

If its about 20 years old and never been serviced you should factor in more than the normal $550. In my experience even if it running OK there will be more worn parts than a normal service. I say this because my uncle waited 20 years to service his DJ and it was $1k ish. My mom waited 23-24 years to service her DJ but it stopped. There was some damage to the movement and the service from Rolex was 3x what the watch was new. Also I make it a point not to buy large purchases like that from friends. If something goes wrong then a friendship can be ruined. Also if the price is "a little high" as you say why buy it? Plenty of Subs out there for sell.

Silvio Mosiello · 19 September 2012, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gwalker

If its about 20 years old and never been serviced you should factor in more than the normal $550. In my experience even if it running OK there will be more worn parts than a normal service. I say this because my uncle waited 20 years to service his DJ and it was $1k ish. My mom waited 23-24 years to service her DJ but it stopped. There was some damage to the movement and the service from Rolex was 3x what the watch was new. Also I make it a point not to buy large purchases like that from friends. If something goes wrong then a friendship can be ruined. Also if the price is "a little high" as you say why buy it? Plenty of Subs out there for sell.

Always love your logic. Price and need to be very reasonable IMO. It's a Ss sub most popular watch on the planet.youll find one.

Frosty · 19 September 2012, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gwalker

If its about 20 years old and never been serviced you should factor in more than the normal $550. In my experience even if it running OK there will be more worn parts than a normal service. I say this because my uncle waited 20 years to service his DJ and it was $1k ish. My mom waited 23-24 years to service her DJ but it stopped. There was some damage to the movement and the service from Rolex was 3x what the watch was new. Also I make it a point not to buy large purchases like that from friends. If something goes wrong then a friendship can be ruined. Also if the price is "a little high" as you say why buy it? Plenty of Subs out there for sell.

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Speed · 18 September 2012, 10:12 AM

So what do you think?

blue92 · 18 September 2012, 10:38 AM

17 years without a service isn't taking care of the watch. Rolex recommends the watch be serviced every 24 months which is the life of the oil. To compare would be like driving your car and not changing the oil for 50,000 miles.

springer · 18 September 2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blue92

17 years without a service isn't taking care of the watch. Rolex recommends the watch be serviced every 24 months which is the life of the oil. To compare would be like driving your car and not changing the oil for 50,000 miles.

That is news to me. Never heard that before. Normal service is recommended every five years - not two years. Also, even though the Submariner being discussed here is 17-years-old, that does not mean it has been running for 17 years.

I just had a 1970 GMT serviced for the first time and it was in outstanding condition according to my watchmaker. I had no issues with it upon its return to me.

alanc · 18 September 2012, 10:54 AM

Your question is hard to answer - you say the price is comparable but also that it is a bit high. It also sounds like your desire to help your friend is complicating what should be a calculated decision (to the the extent buying a Rolex can be a calculated decision only).

I think if you want to help your friend, then buy the watch, understanding that you may be paying more than if you bought a similar watch from a stranger. On the other hand, the fact you helped your friend, might make the watch more valuable in your eyes. Only you can decide whether it's worth it.

tkerrmd · 18 September 2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by springer

That is news to me. Never heard that before. Normal service is recommended every five years - not two years. Also, even though the Submariner being discussed here is 17-years-old, that does not mean it has been running for 17 years.

I just had a 1970 GMT serviced for the first time and it was in outstanding condition according to my watchmaker. I had no issues with it upon its return to me.

Yep

blue92 · 18 September 2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by springer

That is news to me. Never heard that before. Normal service is recommended every five years - not two years. Also, even though the Submariner being discussed here is 17-years-old, that does not mean it has been running for 17 years.

Do you have that in writing? From Rolex?

MonBK · 19 September 2012, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by blue92

Do you have that in writing? From Rolex?

As a matter of fact, yes.

springer · 19 September 2012, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by blue92

Do you have that in writing? From Rolex?

Engraved on all my Rolexes - factory engraved. You need a microscope to read it.

gwalker · 18 September 2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blue92

17 years without a service isn't taking care of the watch. Rolex recommends the watch be serviced every 24 months which is the life of the oil. To compare would be like driving your car and not changing the oil for 50,000 miles.

That is wrong. Rolex does not recommend service every 24 months. I have plenty of rolex service booklets. Rolex recommends every 5 years. I'd say most on here service every 6-7 years.

AmbSteve · 19 September 2012, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by blue92

17 years without a service isn't taking care of the watch. Rolex recommends the watch be serviced every 24 months which is the life of the oil. To compare would be like driving your car and not changing the oil for 50,000 miles.

That's over twice as often as they recommend

Mickey® · 19 September 2012, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blue92

17 years without a service isn't taking care of the watch. Rolex recommends the watch be serviced every 24 months which is the life of the oil. To compare would be like driving your car and not changing the oil for 50,000 miles.

No they don't...if they did I wouldn't have bought one...

Someone tell me he is wrong so I don't have to sell my watches...

Kiwinz · 18 September 2012, 11:00 AM

Oil quality changes as it does in the Automotive industry.
I see it as what movement it is, as some need more attention than the "Old Workhorses"
Less frictionpoints and beats mean less wear.

Certainly the enviroment in which the watch is worn has a influence too.

Transient · 18 September 2012, 11:21 AM

price??

Luxe Time · 18 September 2012, 11:25 AM

By providing the price you'll help us give you some direction on this deal

gregdolley · 19 September 2012, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by blue92

17 years without a service isn't taking care of the watch. Rolex recommends the watch be serviced every 24 months which is the life of the oil. To compare would be like driving your car and not changing the oil for 50,000 miles.

Every 24 months?!

The rolex manual says every five years...

My Dad just serviced his explorer after 30 years, and it just cost the regular overhaul price.

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Brian J · 19 September 2012, 04:29 AM

I'm no expert but I'll throw my 2 cents in. As other's have said it's way overdue for a service. I would ask your friend to split the cost of it with you.

rw170driver · 19 September 2012, 05:21 AM

Thanks for all the replies. I agree with a poster who said that not having it overhauled was "not taking care of the watch". I'll keep saving for a new gmt c as originally planned. When I do buy I'll make sure to post some pictures, I certainly enjoy all of yours.

Brushpup · 19 September 2012, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rw170driver

Thanks for all the replies. I agree with a poster who said that not having it overhauled was "not taking care of the watch". I'll keep saving for a new gmt c as originally planned. When I do buy I'll make sure to post some pictures, I certainly enjoy all of yours.

Welcome to the forum Driver. That might be your best plan. If you were saying you get the Sub at a great price then ok. If not, you could find a better deal second hand most likely. Hurry and save for the new one though, Rolex is loving price increases these days.

BTW my Rolex manuals say 5 years. Does this mean I have in writing from Rolex?

LeslieC · 19 September 2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rw170driver

Thanks for all the replies. I agree with a poster who said that not having it overhauled was "not taking care of the watch". I'll keep saving for a new gmt c as originally planned. When I do buy I'll make sure to post some pictures, I certainly enjoy all of yours.

Good call

superdog · 19 September 2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rw170driver

Thanks for all the replies. I agree with a poster who said that not having it overhauled was "not taking care of the watch". I'll keep saving for a new gmt c as originally planned. When I do buy I'll make sure to post some pictures, I certainly enjoy all of yours.

Nice nice nice.

18 September 2012, 08:26 AM	#1
rw170driver Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Michael Location: The Washingtons Watch: 116710LN Posts: 75	Should I buy this watch? Hey folks, I'm a long time lurker but first time poster. I have a friend who wants to sell his 95 stainless steel sub. He took care of it in all other ways but he's never had it overhauled. Would this be a poor purchase or a good one? Price is competitive and not really a factor as I would be helping out a friend. This would be 1/2 of my ultimate stainless sub and gmt stable I'm saving for. I turn it loose to all you Rolex experts. . .

18 September 2012, 08:29 AM	#2
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,892	Not sure how we can help? No images, no description of condition, does it have the box and papers? How did you determine the price was competitive? __________________ IWC Portugieser 7 Day, Omega Seamaster SMP300m, Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent Clock

18 September 2012, 09:52 AM	#7
superdog 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Seth Location: nj Watch: Omega Posts: 24,834	I'm probably wrong, but it kinda sounds like he is taking advantage of you. You said yourself: it's a little high based on your research. You also say that you'd be helping a friend. What about him also helping you and you both make out? __________________ If happiness is a state of mind, why look anywhere else for it? IG: gsmotorclub IG: thesawcollection (Both mostly just car stuff)

18 September 2012, 08:45 AM	#3
rw170driver Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Michael Location: The Washingtons Watch: 116710LN Posts: 75	Yes, it has box and papers. I've searched for prices of similar models from that year and it's comparable. Maybe a little high but I'd save several thousand and help a friend out. I've held the watch, worn it, and examined it and it's in excellent condition. My only concern is the fact it's been a daily wearer and never overhauled.

18 September 2012, 08:52 AM	#6
Wllnv19 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Willie Location: Parkland,Fl. Posts: 4,829	It should be overhauled you need to add the cost of that to the price of the watch. An overhaul could be pricey.

18 September 2012, 09:58 AM	#8
gwalker "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Gunter Location: AL/NJ Watch: DSSD; 116610LN Posts: 5,509	If its about 20 years old and never been serviced you should factor in more than the normal $550. In my experience even if it running OK there will be more worn parts than a normal service. I say this because my uncle waited 20 years to service his DJ and it was $1k ish. My mom waited 23-24 years to service her DJ but it stopped. There was some damage to the movement and the service from Rolex was 3x what the watch was new. Also I make it a point not to buy large purchases like that from friends. If something goes wrong then a friendship can be ruined. Also if the price is "a little high" as you say why buy it? Plenty of Subs out there for sell.

18 September 2012, 10:12 AM	#11
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	So what do you think?

18 September 2012, 10:38 AM	#12
blue92 Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Arlington, tx. Posts: 35	17 years without a service isn't taking care of the watch. Rolex recommends the watch be serviced every 24 months which is the life of the oil. To compare would be like driving your car and not changing the oil for 50,000 miles.

18 September 2012, 10:54 AM	#14
alanc "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: Alan Location: Connecticut Watch: 114270 16710B Posts: 1,062	Your question is hard to answer - you say the price is comparable but also that it is a bit high. It also sounds like your desire to help your friend is complicating what should be a calculated decision (to the the extent buying a Rolex can be a calculated decision only). I think if you want to help your friend, then buy the watch, understanding that you may be paying more than if you bought a similar watch from a stranger. On the other hand, the fact you helped your friend, might make the watch more valuable in your eyes. Only you can decide whether it's worth it.

18 September 2012, 11:00 AM	#22
Kiwinz Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Mario Location: USA / NZ Watch: All sorts Posts: 799	Oil quality changes as it does in the Automotive industry. I see it as what movement it is, as some need more attention than the "Old Workhorses" Less frictionpoints and beats mean less wear. Certainly the enviroment in which the watch is worn has a influence too.

18 September 2012, 11:21 AM	#23
Transient "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Sydney, Australia Watch: Rolex & Omega Posts: 697	price??

18 September 2012, 11:25 AM	#24
Luxe Time "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Raja Location: Connecticut Posts: 951	By providing the price you'll help us give you some direction on this deal

19 September 2012, 04:29 AM	#26
Brian J Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Minnesota Watch: Rolex and Tudor Posts: 369	I'm no expert but I'll throw my 2 cents in. As other's have said it's way overdue for a service. I would ask your friend to split the cost of it with you.

19 September 2012, 05:21 AM	#27
rw170driver Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Michael Location: The Washingtons Watch: 116710LN Posts: 75	Thanks for all the replies. I agree with a poster who said that not having it overhauled was "not taking care of the watch". I'll keep saving for a new gmt c as originally planned. When I do buy I'll make sure to post some pictures, I certainly enjoy all of yours.

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