AP RO 41mm

[superdog]

completely new to the AP world. but, i was browsing a store by me last night and this watch really caught my eye.

the sales guy told me that because it had a screw down crown it was probably rated at 100m for water resistance. i did some research and it is only 50m.

every time i check i hear that 50m is not OK for serious swimming. and while i am not a pro swimmer by any means, i like to wear a watch that i can do anything in. and you never know when i will jump into any body of water.

i suppose what i am asking all of you guys is "is this an everyday watch"? can it take the beating that a Rolex can. it surely feels like it can, but i want to do my due diligence before making a mistake.

what say you guys?

[cdnyc]

I have 2 rolexs and a new 41mm AP. I say definitely based on my experience so far. And there was a thread on this site a couple months ago where a guys asked about swimming with a RO and the pros here were confident it's no problem.

The one thing I'd point out since you seem to want a watch that you can be very active with: the precision and beauty of an APs flat surfaces and sharp edges makes dings and scratches a little more noticeable vs Rolex in my opinion. If you're looking at an AP that doesn't have a ceramic or cermet bezel (bezel is the most exposed part), you might want to bear that in mind if you're looking for an active watch. On the flip side, AP's servicing is apparently spectacular and will make your watch look like new when needed.

[ChristianN]

I'd say a 15400 is less of a "beater" then any given steel sub; it's not that they are more fragile per se as far as I know (perhaps the movement but what do I know), but the highly finished surfaces and angles as mentioned above will look worse for wear faster then the rolexes.

[ydna808]

Congrats in advance

[cdnyc]

Originally Posted by ChristianN

I'd say a 15400 is less of a "beater" then any given steel sub; it's not that they are more fragile per se as far as I know (perhaps the movement but what do I know), but the highly finished surfaces and angles as mentioned above will look worse for wear faster then the rolexes.

It's the price to pay for the utmost beauty and perfection.
I only mention it because you sound like you'll be very active with it...

[ChristianN]

Originally Posted by cdnyc81

It's the price to pay for the utmost beauty and perfection.
I only mention it because you sound like you'll be very active with it...

Oh yeah, it's totally worth the tradeof in my opinion.

After I got my first AP I ended up trading away all my Rolexes for more APs... I kind of sort of miss them but I didn't get the same "aww" feeling from them as I used to after the APs first had started to make their impression on me.

[TSW]

AP 50m is more then enough for swimming etc, The movement is built with finer pieces and is not as sturdy as a Rolex.

However it will survive as a everyday watch as long as your not a carpenter or doing extreme activities with it on.

[SubKing]

I wanna say being I own both ap and Rolex, I feel Rolex is more of a tool watch than AP is..

I don't know many ppl who purchase an AP for a beater..?

The question isn't if a AP can handle day to day beatings, the question is, who would want to expose an AP to that kind of wear?

Just like most people who own Ferarri's, they don't use it as a daily driver

[superdog]

Originally Posted by SubKing

I wanna say being I own both ap and Rolex, I feel Rolex is more of a tool watch than AP is..

I don't know many ppl who purchase an AP for a beater..?

The question isn't if a AP can handle day to day beatings, the question is, who would want to expose an AP to that kind of wear?

Just like most people who own Ferarri's, they don't use it as a daily driver

I suppose using it as a "beater" is all relative.

I don't beat on any of my watches. And I really don't find that big of a difference between rolex and ap in terms of price. I can pick up this AP for under 13k. Surely would not consider the watch I mention a Ferrari.

And I would like it for daily use. Not a beater, but being active, I like not worrying about my watch.

I do appreciate all these responses as it really does tell me that it's just not a watch for me. Too bad too. I think it's stunning.

Thanks all!!

[ChristianN]

I use my APs daily and I used my 911 daily before I sold it ;-). Things are ment to be used!

But I wouldnt use the Porsche to go offroading as I wouldnt and wont use my APs when Im say painting or doing work outside.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by superdog

I suppose using it as a "beater" is all relative.

I don't beat on any of my watches. And I really don't find that big of a difference between rolex and ap in terms of price. I can pick up this AP for under 13k. Surely would not consider the watch I mention a Ferrari.

And I would like it for daily use. Not a beater, but being active, I like not worrying about my watch.

I do appreciate all these responses as it really does tell me that it's just not a watch for me. Too bad too. I think it's stunning.

Thanks all!!

you don't find that big of a difference between AP and Rolex?

then I agree with you 100% that AP is not the watch for you...

i compare AP to a ferrari no matter the model, they are hand made hand finished watches with amazing detail.. while AP makes only about 40 thousand watches a year compared to rolex at about a million.. different watches.. different production, different detail, different finish different style..

That's 13k you're paying for a stainless steel non chrono AP watch.. for that price you can have a two tone rolex with diamonds...

for a standard STEEL AP ROO is 28 to 30k.. myfriend you can have a rolex gold daydate for that price... prices are completely different..

as many have mentioned in this thread... the finishings on an AP are not as tool watch like and more prone to show damage to that of a Rolex which it's finish is not as complex..

i do agree that it is all relative as to how you wear your watch..

but to answer your question that you wanted to know if "AP is a watch you can do anything in" no it's not.. when you say anything, that implies anything goes.. That's when I would think to myself, A rolex would be a better watch for the job..

reasons being, less can go wrong with a rolex, cheaper to fix and service, cheaper parts if something gets damaged etc.. AP's are not dive watches UNLESS YOU GET A AP DIVER then you're talking $$$ above 13k. they can take a jump in the pool no problem, but if that's what you're concerned about then get a deepsea rolex..

im pretty sure standard service for AP non chronos start at around 1800 USD..

standard service for a rolex starts at around 500 to 700 bucks.

So when I say less can go wrong with a rolex, that's exactly what I mean when I talk about more delicate of a finish among other things with that of an AP.

the military uses rolex subs for years for a reason.. never heard of the military using AP's..

I don't want to make AP's sound weak by anymeans.. they are very strong watches, but with you're original post and what you're looking for, i don't think it's for you per say.

But IMO, rolex is a better watch that "you can do anything in" like a sub or something along those lines that can take years of lickens and keep on tickens.

[TSW]

Originally Posted by SubKing

while AP makes only about 40 thousand watches a year compared to rolex at about a million..

Make that to 23-25 thousand pieces yearly

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by TSW

Make that to 23-25 thousand pieces yearly

Wow, thomas I just learned something new.. 23-25 thousand pieces a year?

thats not very much at all... that goes to show just how much time they take on each and every piece that comes out of their house..

[TSW]

Originally Posted by SubKing

Wow, thomas I just learned something new.. 23-25 thousand pieces a year?

thats not very much at all... that goes to show just how much time they take on each and every piece that comes out of their house..

That's why many AD's are not having full displays, Their new CEO Mr. Bennahamias has great plans for the brand starting too push down the points of sales from 560 to 300 which will mean a lot more watches per AD

[mb23]

Originally Posted by SubKing

you don't find that big of a difference between AP and Rolex?

then I agree with you 100% that AP is not the watch for you...

i compare AP to a ferrari no matter the model, they are hand made hand finished watches with amazing detail.. while AP makes only about 40 thousand watches a year compared to rolex at about a million.. different watches.. different production, different detail, different finish different style..

That's 13k you're paying for a stainless steel non chrono AP watch.. for that price you can have a two tone rolex with diamonds...

for a standard STEEL AP ROO is 28 to 30k.. myfriend you can have a rolex gold daydate for that price... prices are completely different..

as many have mentioned in this thread... the finishings on an AP are not as tool watch like and more prone to show damage to that of a Rolex which it's finish is not as complex..

i do agree that it is all relative as to how you wear your watch..

but to answer your question that you wanted to know if "AP is a watch you can do anything in" no it's not.. when you say anything, that implies anything goes.. That's when I would think to myself, A rolex would be a better watch for the job..

reasons being, less can go wrong with a rolex, cheaper to fix and service, cheaper parts if something gets damaged etc.. AP's are not dive watches UNLESS YOU GET A AP DIVER then you're talking $$$ above 13k. they can take a jump in the pool no problem, but if that's what you're concerned about then get a deepsea rolex..

im pretty sure standard service for AP non chronos start at around 1800 USD..

standard service for a rolex starts at around 500 to 700 bucks.

So when I say less can go wrong with a rolex, that's exactly what I mean when I talk about more delicate of a finish among other things with that of an AP.

the military uses rolex subs for years for a reason.. never heard of the military using AP's..

I don't want to make AP's sound weak by anymeans.. they are very strong watches, but with you're original post and what you're looking for, i don't think it's for you per say.

But IMO, rolex is a better watch that "you can do anything in" like a sub or something along those lines that can take years of lickens and keep on tickens.

Very well put, I agree with this. As for the yearly production TSW is spot on, the goal in the future is to try and push to 30k.

I myself could never compare Rolex to an AP, mass produced to hand finished, no comparison.

And I have gone swimming with a 15400, no problems at all, some people have gone swimming with 15202's which is even thinner.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by mb23

Very well put, I agree with this. As for the yearly production TSW is spot on, the goal in the future is to try and push to 30k.

I myself could never compare Rolex to an AP, mass produced to hand finished, no comparison.

And I have gone swimming with a 15400, no problems at all, some people have gone swimming with 15202's which is even thinner.

My mistake about production.

[kmleffler]

Originally Posted by SubKing

you don't find that big of a difference between AP and Rolex?

then I agree with you 100% that AP is not the watch for you...

i compare AP to a ferrari no matter the model, they are hand made hand finished watches with amazing detail.. while AP makes only about 40 thousand watches a year compared to rolex at about a million.. different watches.. different production, different detail, different finish different style..

That's 13k you're paying for a stainless steel non chrono AP watch.. for that price you can have a two tone rolex with diamonds...

for a standard STEEL AP ROO is 28 to 30k.. myfriend you can have a rolex gold daydate for that price... prices are completely different..

as many have mentioned in this thread... the finishings on an AP are not as tool watch like and more prone to show damage to that of a Rolex which it's finish is not as complex..

i do agree that it is all relative as to how you wear your watch..

but to answer your question that you wanted to know if "AP is a watch you can do anything in" no it's not.. when you say anything, that implies anything goes.. That's when I would think to myself, A rolex would be a better watch for the job..

reasons being, less can go wrong with a rolex, cheaper to fix and service, cheaper parts if something gets damaged etc.. AP's are not dive watches UNLESS YOU GET A AP DIVER then you're talking $$$ above 13k. they can take a jump in the pool no problem, but if that's what you're concerned about then get a deepsea rolex..

im pretty sure standard service for AP non chronos start at around 1800 USD..

standard service for a rolex starts at around 500 to 700 bucks.

So when I say less can go wrong with a rolex, that's exactly what I mean when I talk about more delicate of a finish among other things with that of an AP.

the military uses rolex subs for years for a reason.. never heard of the military using AP's..

I don't want to make AP's sound weak by anymeans.. they are very strong watches, but with you're original post and what you're looking for, i don't think it's for you per say.

But IMO, rolex is a better watch that "you can do anything in" like a sub or something along those lines that can take years of lickens and keep on tickens.

As far as I know the United States military does not supply any of their people with Rolex watches. The Rolex DSSD costs almost $13,000 and it has the same movement as the Sub and it is SS. I have owned Rolex watches since 1969 and I would rather own an AP. I think their movements are superior. I currently own a Seiko Spring Drive GMT which IMHO has a better movement then Rolex.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by kmleffler

As far as I know the United States military does not supply any of their people with Rolex watches. The Rolex DSSD costs almost $13,000 and it has the same movement as the Sub and it is SS. I have owned Rolex watches since 1969 and I would rather own an AP. I think their movements are superior. I currently own a Seiko Spring Drive GMT which IMHO has a better movement then Rolex.

In terms of military watches I'm speaking not just in the USA but in terms of the entire world and over the last 50+ years.. T dial Rolex subs with fixed spring bars were a top choice at one point for other military uses in the world that were made and moded special for army military use. Rolex has done a lot with different groups over the years.. Even the comex subs that were branded that name on the dial says something special about the capabilities of the submariner and the history of it.

At the end of the day I love almost all brands and respect their area's that they are most strong in.
That's what makes brands different and sets them apart.

In response to the deepsea which I also own but at the time I purchased it cost under 10k
The deepsea is a very special dive watch and you're paying for the purpose it serves.

At the end of the day there is no arguing that you get more bang for your buck with Rolex...
Now quality and detail, AP takes that to a much higher level, but with that comes a price.
I love Ap and Rolex and own both.

For 13k I just purchased a TT ceramic sub factory diamond dial.. You could never buy an AP for that price that has gold and diamonds...

For a RG ROO is 55,500 usd vs a Rolex daydate that has more gold on it for 35k usd

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by superdog

i suppose what i am asking all of you guys is "is this an everyday watch"? can it take the beating that a Rolex can. it surely feels like it can, but i want to do my due diligence before making a mistake.

what say you guys?

If you really really like the watch, buy it and don't wear it swimming...

[tifosi]

I am going through the same thing myself. I actually just started a new thread about it when I guess I could have just read this one haha.

I know exactly where you are coming from. I wear my Sub day in and day out, but I wouldn't call it a beater. I take it off if I think it might get harmed, but I don't have bubble wrap around it either. I have had it a little over a year and it has it's fair share of bumps and bruises. Hey, I wear it. That is why I bought it.

I can see an AP as a daily, but def. not a beater!

[Submarino]

Watches are meant to be enjoyed. I wear my APs on a daily basis and drive my Porsche every day. Nothing like battle scars on APs. Remember it takes more than money to wear a Royal Oak.



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[superdog]

Originally Posted by Submarino

Remember it takes more than money to wear a Royal Oak.

sir, i respectfully disagree. all it takes is money to wear just about anything. IMHO, and i am every bit a watch guy, it is just another watch.

and to all, thanks again for your insight. this watch, and really the entire brand, are just not my style.

lovely to look at, but just not for me.

[cdnyc]

Originally Posted by superdog

this watch, and really the entire brand, are just not my style.

lovely to look at, but just not for me.

agreed. (regarding you, not me)

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by superdog

sir, i respectfully disagree. IMHO, and i am every bit a watch guy, it is just another watch.

this watch, and really the entire brand, are just not my style.

it's ok if AP isn't your style.. I will level with you, while Most not all but most Patek's and or vacheron's are not my style, I still have so much respect for the brands and what they do and I would still purchase a patek or vacheron if the right model came along.

I myself would be purchasing the watch not based on looks alone, but for the horology excellence it stands for.

a real watch enthusiast could never say AP is just another watch...

that's like an Art collector saying "a work of art is just a painting"

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by SubKing

that's like an Art collector saying "a work of art is just a painting"

A Jackson Pollack is just another grammar school art project....

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by superdog

sir, i respectfully disagree. all it takes is money to wear just about anything. IMHO, and i am every bit a watch guy, it is just another watch.

and to all, thanks again for your insight. this watch, and really the entire brand, are just not my style.

lovely to look at, but just not for me.

OK then.

[Submarino]

I guess AP is definitely not for you.


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[TSW]

Originally Posted by Submarino

I guess AP is definitely not for you. Attachment 327507


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One of the best ads made, And definitely my favorite

[QueueCumber]

BTW, 50m is around 165ft. I'm not sure why you couldn't wear it swimming, not that I would, since I have two diving watches.

165ft is more than double the depth that is safe for humans to dive at!

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

BTW, 50m is around 165ft. I'm not sure why you couldn't wear it swimming, not that I would, since I have two diving watches.

165ft is more than double the depth that is safe for humans to dive at!

Those figures are based on static pressure tests. Real world application would be far different but as you say safe to use for a swim. However, I would not use for diving.