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32' Sub · 21 May 2013, 01:01 PM

Is a 16610 SS Sub date with LUG HOLES considred vintage or not?

Thanks in advance!

Dr. Robert · 21 May 2013, 01:53 PM

Bah humbug, any Rolex w/ lug holes is vintage! Or at the very least, a classic.

waspy1 · 21 May 2013, 01:55 PM

Nope, not to most folk. Needs acrylic crystal at the least IMO.

32' Sub · 21 May 2013, 01:57 PM

I like Dr. Bob's term "Classic".

Lumberjact · 21 May 2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 32' Sub

I like Dr. Bob's term "Classic".

I would say that 'Vintage' relates to the easily-determined and rarely disputable age; whereas 'Classic' has more to do with the nebulous concept of archetypal design.

For example, in car terms, a 35-year old Ford is a vintage car (by virtue of its age), an older Porsche 911 is a classic (owing to its resemblance to the original in design terms), but a 35-year old Porsche 911 is a vintage-classic (age and design). Naturally, I am assuming that a 35-year old Ford has little to recommend it in terms of noteworthy design, which may or may not be the case, but I am sure you get the idea!

'Vintage' happens; 'Classic' is conferred.

Bangel · 21 May 2013, 08:17 PM

I don't consider any 16610 vintage.

Tudor66 · 21 May 2013, 02:00 PM

It's a submariner, it has lug holes.., that's enough for me...

SLS · 21 May 2013, 02:55 PM

Acrylic crystal and a matte dial is a must IMO.
Although, a true vintage Rolex can be defined as a watch they won't service anymore!
Scott

MonBK · 21 May 2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SLS

Acrylic crystal and a matte dial is a must IMO.
Although, a true vintage Rolex can be defined as a watch they won't service anymore!
Scott

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Andad · 21 May 2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

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I'm 65 Monny.

Am I classic or vintage.

NB. Think very very carefully about this.

TempoKing · 21 May 2013, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLS

Acrylic crystal and a matte dial is a must IMO.
Although, a true vintage Rolex can be defined as a watch they won't service anymore!
Scott

Rolex Greece: Factory Service Center.. will service !!

In fact they have a different price list for servicing vintage
A full service for a vintage sub starts from $520...when a
regular modern Sub will cost you a modest $430

A vintage Daytona service starts at $560...and not at $2.500 some watchmakers would have you believe

waspy1 · 21 May 2013, 04:09 PM

Matte dial is not critical. I have gmts and subs from early 60s with gloss gilt dials. Very much vintage.

ecsub44 · 21 May 2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by waspy1

Matte dial is not critical. I have gmts and subs from early 60s with gloss gilt dials. Very much vintage.

Fair enough.

How about a dial without gold surrounds?

bonbonson · 21 May 2013, 05:58 PM

Just like the ongoing debate on what vintage is it all depends on your perspective of vintage. Acrylic,matte,gilt,30 years old ? as of now i consider vintage as 30 years old

Spunga · 21 May 2013, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLS

Acrylic crystal and a matte dial is a must IMO.
Although, a true vintage Rolex can be defined as a watch they won't service anymore!
Scott

So my 1963 GMT Gilt gloss dial small hand PCG that has just been serviced by Rolex UK is no longer vintage?

Or the 2 red subs and a DRSD they currently have.

I'm stunned.

Vincent65 · 21 May 2013, 06:12 PM

a 16610 is a modern one - no way vintage

Tom R · 21 May 2013, 06:13 PM

Vintage is classified the same way as with cars - over 25 years old.

Tudor Fan · 21 May 2013, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom R

Vintage is classified the same way as with cars - over 25 years old.

Exactly.

cop414 · 21 May 2013, 09:00 PM

Maybe post this on the vintage section? I would say more of a classic than a vintage though. Right now it's a modern classic, later on maybe a vintage classic?

crowncollection · 21 May 2013, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 32' Sub

Is a 16610 SS Sub date with LUG HOLES considred vintage or not?

Thanks in advance!

I agree classic not vintage.

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HL65 · 21 May 2013, 07:52 PM

Eddie you are a classic!

As to OP: No not vintage but a nice watch nonetheless.

Andad · 21 May 2013, 07:55 PM

Merci, toi aussi mon ami.

landroverking · 21 May 2013, 08:42 PM

Not.

21 May 2013, 01:01 PM	#1
32' Sub Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: USA Posts: 20	"Vintage" or not Is a 16610 SS Sub date with LUG HOLES considred vintage or not? Thanks in advance!

21 May 2013, 01:53 PM	#2
Dr. Robert 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 64,260	Bah humbug, any Rolex w/ lug holes is vintage! Or at the very least, a classic. __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

21 May 2013, 01:57 PM	#4
32' Sub Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: USA Posts: 20	Vintage or not I like Dr. Bob's term "Classic".

21 May 2013, 02:00 PM	#7
Tudor66 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Al Location: California, USA Watch: GMT- Pepsi Posts: 3,462	It's a submariner, it has lug holes.., that's enough for me... __________________ -NAWCC Member

21 May 2013, 02:55 PM	#8
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	Acrylic crystal and a matte dial is a must IMO. Although, a true vintage Rolex can be defined as a watch they won't service anymore! Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

21 May 2013, 01:55 PM	#3
waspy1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Jeff Location: Home! Posts: 1,259	Nope, not to most folk. Needs acrylic crystal at the least IMO.

21 May 2013, 08:17 PM	#6
Bangel "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Australia Watch: 116610LN Posts: 15,802	I don't consider any 16610 vintage.

21 May 2013, 04:09 PM	#12
waspy1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Jeff Location: Home! Posts: 1,259	Matte dial is not critical. I have gmts and subs from early 60s with gloss gilt dials. Very much vintage.

21 May 2013, 05:58 PM	#14
bonbonson "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: philippines Posts: 387	Just like the ongoing debate on what vintage is it all depends on your perspective of vintage. Acrylic,matte,gilt,30 years old ? as of now i consider vintage as 30 years old

21 May 2013, 06:12 PM	#16
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	a 16610 is a modern one - no way vintage

21 May 2013, 06:13 PM	#17
Tom R "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: UK Watch: 216570 & 1601 Posts: 236	Vintage is classified the same way as with cars - over 25 years old.

21 May 2013, 09:00 PM	#19
cop414 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Tim Location: Pennsylvania Watch: 14060M Posts: 72,234	Maybe post this on the vintage section? I would say more of a classic than a vintage though. Right now it's a modern classic, later on maybe a vintage classic? __________________ Rolex Submariner 14060M Omega Seamaster 2254.50 DOXA Professional 1200T Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons TRF's "After Dark" Bar & NightClub Patron P Club Member #17 2 FA ENABLED

21 May 2013, 07:52 PM	#21
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,006	Eddie you are a classic! As to OP: No not vintage but a nice watch nonetheless. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

21 May 2013, 07:55 PM	#22
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,526	Merci, toi aussi mon ami. __________________ E

21 May 2013, 08:42 PM	#23
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	Not.

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