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zerojanvier · 24 January 2008, 06:41 AM

Hi there,

got a Submariner 5510 from 1953. (Probably a 6200)

The watch was part of the famous Moana expedition from June 1953 to July 1956.

In the Moana sea expedition it withstood in excess of a thousand dives and was worn by Bernard Gorsky himself!

It came to us by a big chance in 1959 and was used since then for daily diving.

Since about a year it does not work anymore.

Now we are looking for a collector who recognizes the value of this masterpiece.

Next WE I will try to get better pics in daylight.

Collectors and good advise welcome, all others enjoy the pics.

Zerojanvier.

frostie · 24 January 2008, 06:42 AM

Stunning vintage

Alex Stylianou · 24 January 2008, 06:43 AM

Absolutly Beautiful !

SSD · 24 January 2008, 06:46 AM

Fantastic, storied watch. Somebody should write its history with the context around it!

Ed Rooney · 24 January 2008, 06:52 AM

Wasn't it a 6200 in 1953? The 5510 was produced in the late 50's.

Stratton · 24 January 2008, 07:01 AM

Ed's right. The 5510 came out in '58 according to Skeet and Urul. If 1953 it must be a 6200.

Ed Rooney · 24 January 2008, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stratton

Ed's right. The 5510 came out in '58 according to Skeet and Urul. If 1953 it must be a 6200.

Booyah

zerojanvier · 24 January 2008, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stratton

Ed's right. The 5510 came out in '58 according to Skeet and Urul. If 1953 it must be a 6200.

You might be right. As we got it in '59 it was accompagnied by a small brochure of the 5510. (But then it was already 6 years old, as the expedition started in 53)

Due to the intensive use, the model number on the side is unreadable. Any idea how to find out more?

Stratton · 24 January 2008, 07:21 AM

The model number should be visible inside the case back if you take it off. Don't do this yourself for fear of scratchng the case back and only use someone Rolex trained. If it's a 6200 it should have an A296 movement. It could also be a 6538 big crown which should have a 1030 movement if the date of aquisition is wrong. If it is a 5510 it should have a 1530 movement in it.

time · 24 January 2008, 07:24 AM

Very nice vintage!

JBat · 24 January 2008, 07:27 AM

Awesome piece.

applebook · 24 January 2008, 08:20 AM

One of my dream watches. Nice find.

scottschoe · 24 January 2008, 08:54 AM

http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=30799

Check out the last two posts. Normal?

TempoKing · 24 January 2008, 01:12 PM

In 1958 the 6200 was fitted with the 1530 movement and indeed it was re-numbered as the 5510 with gold printed dial
Also in 1958 the 6536 appears with depth rating printed in white and the later style Mercedes hands as well as the 1030 movement.
Please observe the different triangles and the slightly elongated minute marks in the bezel insert.

zerojanvier · 25 January 2008, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TempoKing

In 1958 the 6200 was fitted with the 1530 movement and indeed it was re-numbered as the 5510 with gold printed dial
Also in 1958 the 6536 appears with depth rating printed in white and the later style Mercedes hands as well as the 1030 movement.
Please observe the different triangles and the slightly elongated minute marks in the bezel insert.

Some more details:

"Rolex Oyster Perpetual" and the depth rating (200m 660 ft) is printed in white.

The triangle at 60 is silver.

The minute marks on the bezel insert are short.

The crown wheel is big as on your 5510 pic and "BREVET" is printed large on it.

Alex Stylianou · 26 January 2008, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TempoKing

In 1958 the 6200 was fitted with the 1530 movement and indeed it was re-numbered as the 5510 with gold printed dial
Also in 1958 the 6536 appears with depth rating printed in white and the later style Mercedes hands as well as the 1030 movement.
Please observe the different triangles and the slightly elongated minute marks in the bezel insert.

Cool !

applebook · 24 January 2008, 01:56 PM

How can anyone not be completely in love with the early Subs? They might be the best lookers ever made.

SPACE-DWELLER · 25 January 2008, 12:41 AM

What price do you have in mind?

zerojanvier · 25 January 2008, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

What price do you have in mind?

That is my problem, I have no idea what this vintage could be worth.

That is why I'm here to get as much info and good advice from some real Rolex friends.

Can anybode help me to evaluate the value of this Sub?

Zerojanvier.

Tools · 25 January 2008, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerojanvier

That is my problem, I have no idea what this vintage could be worth.
That is why I'm here to get as much info and good advice from some real Rolex friends.
Can anybode help me to evaluate the value of this Sub?
Zerojanvier.

Interesting watch..Probably needs more research etc..

It is unlikely it was used in the Expedition cited as the early 6200's used the 3,6,9, Explorer dial.

Your piece is more than likely from 1958 or so as that's about when the 5510 appeared and the Brevet large crown.., but without numbers, movement info and some paper link it might be impossible to tell what is original and what is not..

But, I'm a duffer, you need a professional for proper evaluation..

zerojanvier · 25 January 2008, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Interesting watch..Probably needs more research etc..

It is unlikely it was used in the Expedition cited as the early 6200's used the 3,6,9, Explorer dial and were not rated at 660 ft.

Your piece is more than likely from 1958 or so as that's about when the 5510 appeared and the Brevet large crown.., but without numbers, movement info and some paper link it might be impossible to tell what is original and what is not..

But, I'm a duffer, you need a professional for proper evaluation..

I gonna ask a watchmaker to open it... gonna post the pic's and get a scan of the letters which came from Rolex along with the watch - then let's see what you (all) think.

CU on Sunday ...

Zerojanvier

zerojanvier · 26 January 2008, 04:38 AM

Got it opened ... and it's an 6538 with an 1030 movement ...

zerojanvier · 26 January 2008, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Interesting watch..Probably needs more research etc..

But, I'm a duffer, you need a professional for proper evaluation..

Any recommendation for an expert?

Thanks
Zerojanvier.

Tools · 26 January 2008, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerojanvier

Any recommendation for an expert?

Thanks
Zerojanvier.

There are some sharp and friendly gentlemen on this site:

http://www.vintagerolexforum.com/

They may be know a vintage pro in your area..

TempoKing · 29 January 2008, 12:15 PM

I could pay 4.000 if dazzled...lol, actually I would have paid 8.000 if it had the red triangle at the 12 of the insert, the gold dial, the fixed spring bars made especially for the UK and CDN navy. I think the dial is from a different model, the bezel insert as well (all 6538's had red) as well, please look the difference in patina of the dial and the hands. By the way the ones made for the navy had 3-6-9 hour markers with Arabic numerals and most importantly that the numbers all match with a confirmation letter from Rolex.

24 January 2008, 06:41 AM	#1
zerojanvier Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hamburg, Germany Watch: SS Daytona 116520 Posts: 36	Submariner 5510/6200 from 1953 Hi there, got a Submariner 5510 from 1953. (Probably a 6200) The watch was part of the famous Moana expedition from June 1953 to July 1956. In the Moana sea expedition it withstood in excess of a thousand dives and was worn by Bernard Gorsky himself! It came to us by a big chance in 1959 and was used since then for daily diving. Since about a year it does not work anymore. Now we are looking for a collector who recognizes the value of this masterpiece. Next WE I will try to get better pics in daylight. Collectors and good advise welcome, all others enjoy the pics. Zerojanvier. Attached Images Last edited by zerojanvier; 24 January 2008 at 07:14 AM.. Reason: Got new information

24 January 2008, 06:42 AM	#2
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	Stunning vintage __________________ GMT - Master II C - 116710 LN

24 January 2008, 06:46 AM	#4
SSD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jamie Location: Georgia Watch: Stainless Sub Date Posts: 3,023	Fantastic, storied watch. Somebody should write its history with the context around it! __________________ SUBMARINER OWNERS' CLUB ESTABLISHED 1953 TRF Member # 5464

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time "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Euro Posts: 522	Very nice vintage! __________________ Time is one of our greatest endeavour....

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scottschoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CA Posts: 3,295	http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=30799 Check out the last two posts. Normal? __________________ __________________

24 January 2008, 06:43 AM	#3
Alex Stylianou "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,785	Absolutly Beautiful !

24 January 2008, 06:52 AM	#5
Ed Rooney "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Annapolis, MD Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 5,081	Wasn't it a 6200 in 1953? The 5510 was produced in the late 50's.

24 January 2008, 07:01 AM	#6
Stratton "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: UK Posts: 429	Ed's right. The 5510 came out in '58 according to Skeet and Urul. If 1953 it must be a 6200.

24 January 2008, 07:21 AM	#9
Stratton "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: UK Posts: 429	The model number should be visible inside the case back if you take it off. Don't do this yourself for fear of scratchng the case back and only use someone Rolex trained. If it's a 6200 it should have an A296 movement. It could also be a 6538 big crown which should have a 1030 movement if the date of aquisition is wrong. If it is a 5510 it should have a 1530 movement in it.

24 January 2008, 07:27 AM	#11
JBat "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: John Location: Washington Watch: 16710, 16610, DJ Posts: 7,329	Awesome piece.

24 January 2008, 08:20 AM	#12
applebook "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: vancouver Posts: 1,918	One of my dream watches. Nice find.

24 January 2008, 01:12 PM	#14
TempoKing Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Anastasios Location: Athens Greece Watch: Rolex GMT 1675 Posts: 8,497	In 1958 the 6200 was fitted with the 1530 movement and indeed it was re-numbered as the 5510 with gold printed dial Also in 1958 the 6536 appears with depth rating printed in white and the later style Mercedes hands as well as the 1030 movement. Please observe the different triangles and the slightly elongated minute marks in the bezel insert.

24 January 2008, 01:56 PM	#17
applebook "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: vancouver Posts: 1,918	How can anyone not be completely in love with the early Subs? They might be the best lookers ever made.

25 January 2008, 12:41 AM	#18
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	What price do you have in mind? __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

26 January 2008, 04:38 AM	#22
zerojanvier Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hamburg, Germany Watch: SS Daytona 116520 Posts: 36	It's an 6538 big crown Got it opened ... and it's an 6538 with an 1030 movement ...

29 January 2008, 12:15 PM	#25
TempoKing Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Anastasios Location: Athens Greece Watch: Rolex GMT 1675 Posts: 8,497	I could pay 4.000 if dazzled...lol, actually I would have paid 8.000 if it had the red triangle at the 12 of the insert, the gold dial, the fixed spring bars made especially for the UK and CDN navy. I think the dial is from a different model, the bezel insert as well (all 6538's had red) as well, please look the difference in patina of the dial and the hands. By the way the ones made for the navy had 3-6-9 hour markers with Arabic numerals and most importantly that the numbers all match with a confirmation letter from Rolex.

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