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karmatp · 30 January 2008, 06:53 AM

Well guy's, most of you will probably think I have officially gone to the dark side. I have been a Rolex guy for a couple of years now, started out with a SD but it was to floppy and heavy on my wrist...I actually think it felt heavy due to the bracelet.

. Then I bought a new 14060M ND Sub that has had my very satisfied for some time now but I still wanted something more. I have been looking into the Omega brand and really liked the Planet Ocean and the 2254.50 SMP, well I bought the Seamaster a couple of weeks ago. I have to be honest, {we are all watch lovers here and appreciate what they do for us so be kind in your responses}, but the Omega IMHO is a better watch than the sub. It feels so sturdy on my wrist, the bracelet is fantastic, makes my sub bracelet feel like a piece of tin. The lume is something that I have never experienced before, it's amazing, I guess after wearing Rolex for 2 years makes you think that watches are not supposed to glow. I am amazed at how easy it is to read the dial, and of course their is no cyclops to blur up the hands and date. I by no means am bashing Rolex, but these are my experiences with two classic watches, and at less than half the price, it is hands down a much better value and the quality is definitely on par with Rolex, better in many ways. Here are some pics of my latest, I truly hope that I have not offended any of my friends here, but I am just being honest with some fellow watch lovers.....

Just look at the case back...it's a piece of art

gmt 16750 · 30 January 2008, 07:01 AM

Very nice Trevor, my younger brother wears exactly the same Omega.

Robb · 30 January 2008, 07:07 AM

Trevor, You are not going to offend anyone by speaking your mind!!! Thats what makes this place so great!!!

Very nice Omega BTW!

Tools · 30 January 2008, 07:18 AM

I don't think you could offend very many folks by enjoying your SMP as much as you do.. As a matter of fact, I have this one on right now....

But ya' know, we have the Rolex Forum....and we have the Non-Rolex Forum....

GoldenBear · 30 January 2008, 07:24 AM

Nice looking watch. I really like the extra bright lume. It has faded on my SS and still holds up pretty well on my TT. I would pick one up for those times when a Rolex might be over doing it.

DoxaDavid · 30 January 2008, 08:02 AM

I don't think anyone is offended. Most Rolex guys are also "watch guys" and appreciate many makes of watches. I happen to like Omega a lot as well and in fact have the 2254.50. I love it for all of the reasons you mentioned. I was going to get a SS sub to be my daily watch and my wife was why are you going to spend $4 + grand on a "beater"? I agreed and when I looked around, the Omega SMP's stood out as an outstanding watch. I bought mine pre owned and in excellent condition for a little over a $1000. I think they are one of the most undervalued SS diving watches out there. Accurate, comfortable, classic looks and you can almost read at night from the lume.

Great purchase. Enjoy your and wear it well.

David

DS/B MINI S · 2 February 2008, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoxaDavid

I think they are one of the most undervalued SS diving watches out there. Accurate, comfortable, classic looks and you can almost read at night from the lume.

Great purchase. Enjoy your and wear it well.

The SMP does offer Outstanding value if purchased pre-owned. I've had this one a few years. She still gets a pretty decent amount of wrist time

karmatp · 2 February 2008, 05:10 AM

Not so fast Texsubmariner, I have a little different take on the resale subject. Everyone here knows how Rolex likes to keep their watches as close to MSRP as possible, most of us have probably heard the line "Rolex doesn't allow us to give discounts" sometime in our life. We are all pretty excited to pull 10-15%. Now their is Omega, I have found numerous AD's that will give 30%, it is extremely common. My local AD was offering 30% after a private conversation with the sales guy but I chose to buy from a friends AD because he was offering 30% and no sales tax, if I bought a my local one, their was tax. So those are the facts right, now lets consider resale. It may look on paper (considering MSRP's and the price on the sales corner) that the Omega's have lost more on resale when the fact is that they sell for less because 30% discounts are easy to come buy, so obviously that affects the resale value. That is why Rolex police's their AD's a little more, they want it to look like they have good resale value, and they do as we all know. Now dollar for dollar, looking a various watch forums and considering the MSRP's VS what people are actually paying for their respective watches, you actually lose more cash selling you Rolex due to the higher dollar amount of the watch. Just my little observation, makes total sense to me.......Trevor

JBat · 30 January 2008, 07:58 AM

No offense taken, the SMP is a great watch and a great value, as you pointed out. I've had a 2055.80.00 for the last five years and it's served me very well. I agree also that the Omega bracelets are hard to beat. Why Rolex doesn't see fit attach a better bracelet to a watch costing more than twice as much as the SMP is beyond me.

Congrats on the new watch and wear it in good health.

Welshwatchman · 30 January 2008, 08:10 AM

You are correct about the 14060 bracelet and the Omega is certainly far better value secondhand, less than 1/2 the price of the Rolex.

SPACE-DWELLER · 30 January 2008, 08:12 AM

Congrats, Trevor!

Beautiful Omega!

But I cannot find the 2254.50 SMP on the Omega website!

Has it been discontinued??

mikey · 30 January 2008, 08:17 AM

See us Rolex owners learn and appreciate other brands AFTER we buy our first Rolexes and second and thirds etc...

SPACE-DWELLER · 30 January 2008, 08:26 AM

Sorry, just found the 2254.50 SMP on the Omega website.

Very tempting!!

My usual question about Omega:

It says that it has a domed, anti-reflective sapphire crystal. Is the crystal AR coated on both sides on just on the innerside? I hope the latter is the case.

mailman · 30 January 2008, 10:35 AM

Congrats Trevor.

That's a helluva watch

Enjoy it in good health

redsrover · 30 January 2008, 11:21 AM

Man I love that SMP. I have mine on a Tropic rubber strap since I don't care for the Omega bracelet. But you certainly can't pick a better value than the SMP. It is the easiest watch to read of all the watches I own.

karmatp · 30 January 2008, 11:36 AM

Hey Bo, the AR in on the inside only. I have owned watches with outer AR coating and it was a fingerprint and a scratch magnet, I will never own another unless I decide to polish it off. AR coating on the inside of the crystal is a fantastic idea, you get the benefits of the AR without the negatives when it is on the outside. You guys really are fantastic, I had some reservations about posting my newest addition on this site, it is a Rolex site after all, but you guy's are way above the Rolex/Omega bashing that tends to go on on other sites. Everyone here tends to appreciate quality and value, what a great group of watch lovers

SUPERDOC · 30 January 2008, 11:52 AM

That is a Gorgeous watch...
I love the Omegas...
that 42mm dial just makes it seem so much bigger. They definitely have a presence on the wrist without being too overstated.
excellent choice.

although in fairness to the spirit of the site...there's just something about a rolex.

ROGERB · 30 January 2008, 12:29 PM

I have mentioned here before that although my pride and joy is my 89 16610, I also have a SMP GMT affectionatly know as a "Great White" or white face GMT, which for the money is a Super watch!!
R

Lol-x · 30 January 2008, 12:37 PM

Congrats that is an awesome watch (period)

I love the dial and the AR. No doubt Omega gives one incredible value and a quality timepiece.

Welcome to the Omega Seamaster Club

Here's my best shot

mike · 30 January 2008, 12:47 PM

The 2254 is a classic and takes a back seat to nothing. I love the sword hands and as you say the lume is just amazing.

Big congrats and well done!!

SPACE-DWELLER · 30 January 2008, 05:48 PM

I guess I have to have one!

I would prefer it on a black rubber strap, though.

FBender · 30 January 2008, 06:44 PM

Very nice

Perdu · 1 February 2008, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

The 2254 is a classic and takes a back seat to nothing. I love the sword hands and as you say the lume is just amazing.

Big congrats and well done!!

Definitely. It's a great watch. I believe it is discontinued because Omega will bring out the co-axle version but heck, I have the GMT version and it's gained 4 seconds this month. How much better can it get! That 1mm increase in the diameter makes it look flatter and wider than the illustrious Sub. Congratulations.

vukotab · 30 January 2008, 11:59 PM

Wonderful Omega!Congratulations!

rpryan55 · 31 January 2008, 12:04 AM

Okay, I'm not an Omega fan, but that's one beautiful watch. So beautiful, I might just sign up at the Omega forum site. Do you think they have a JJ?

SPACE-DWELLER · 31 January 2008, 12:06 AM

Have you read this review?

Teofilo · 7 February 2008, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Have you read this review?

Great review Bo....thanks for posting this....very interesting how closely matched they were.

Ed Rooney · 31 January 2008, 01:11 AM

That is my favorite Omega. I will have one when the opportunity presents itself.

Paulie · 31 January 2008, 01:50 AM

Awesome collection!

Check my Sig line, similar theme (Rolex sport model, Omega Seamaster, Marathon SAR)

gilaone · 31 January 2008, 10:04 PM

Karmatp also posted the same post in WUS Omega forum and as I was reading it I was curious about what will Rolex fans response to his post. You guys are awesome! The real watch lovers!

Good watches! Nice guys!

30 January 2008, 06:53 AM	#1
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	My newest addition... Well guy's, most of you will probably think I have officially gone to the dark side. I have been a Rolex guy for a couple of years now, started out with a SD but it was to floppy and heavy on my wrist...I actually think it felt heavy due to the bracelet.. Then I bought a new 14060M ND Sub that has had my very satisfied for some time now but I still wanted something more. I have been looking into the Omega brand and really liked the Planet Ocean and the 2254.50 SMP, well I bought the Seamaster a couple of weeks ago. I have to be honest, {we are all watch lovers here and appreciate what they do for us so be kind in your responses}, but the Omega IMHO is a better watch than the sub. It feels so sturdy on my wrist, the bracelet is fantastic, makes my sub bracelet feel like a piece of tin. The lume is something that I have never experienced before, it's amazing, I guess after wearing Rolex for 2 years makes you think that watches are not supposed to glow. I am amazed at how easy it is to read the dial, and of course their is no cyclops to blur up the hands and date. I by no means am bashing Rolex, but these are my experiences with two classic watches, and at less than half the price, it is hands down a much better value and the quality is definitely on par with Rolex, better in many ways. Here are some pics of my latest, I truly hope that I have not offended any of my friends here, but I am just being honest with some fellow watch lovers..... Just look at the case back...it's a piece of art

30 January 2008, 07:01 AM	#2
gmt 16750 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Neil Location: Borders, Scotland Watch: what your doing. Posts: 970	Very nice Trevor, my younger brother wears exactly the same Omega. __________________

30 January 2008, 07:07 AM	#3
Robb 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Robb Location: USA Watch: BLNR Posts: 4,939	Trevor, You are not going to offend anyone by speaking your mind!!! Thats what makes this place so great!!! Very nice Omega BTW! __________________ 126610LN l 166610LV l 126619LB l 116710BLNR l 126710BLRO l 126720VTNR l 126718GRNR l 116500 white l 116500 black l 116508 john mayer l 116519LN l 116503 white l 126655 l 226627 Ti Master l 116518LN

30 January 2008, 07:18 AM	#4
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	I don't think you could offend very many folks by enjoying your SMP as much as you do.. As a matter of fact, I have this one on right now.... But ya' know, we have the Rolex Forum....and we have the Non-Rolex Forum.... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

30 January 2008, 07:24 AM	#5
GoldenBear "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: San Francisco Watch: Submariner Posts: 2,480	Nice looking watch. I really like the extra bright lume. It has faded on my SS and still holds up pretty well on my TT. I would pick one up for those times when a Rolex might be over doing it. __________________ ____________________________________________ Rolex Blue TT Submariner Rolex SS Submariner Breitling Emergency Mission They are just watches, wear 'em. ____________________________________________

30 January 2008, 08:02 AM	#6
DoxaDavid "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: David Location: Minneapolis, Mn Posts: 3,271	I don't think anyone is offended. Most Rolex guys are also "watch guys" and appreciate many makes of watches. I happen to like Omega a lot as well and in fact have the 2254.50. I love it for all of the reasons you mentioned. I was going to get a SS sub to be my daily watch and my wife was why are you going to spend $4 + grand on a "beater"? I agreed and when I looked around, the Omega SMP's stood out as an outstanding watch. I bought mine pre owned and in excellent condition for a little over a $1000. I think they are one of the most undervalued SS diving watches out there. Accurate, comfortable, classic looks and you can almost read at night from the lume. Great purchase. Enjoy your and wear it well. David __________________ DOXA-AFICIONADO "It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues. " Abraham Lincoln 1809-1865

2 February 2008, 05:10 AM	#8
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	Not so fast Texsubmariner, I have a little different take on the resale subject. Everyone here knows how Rolex likes to keep their watches as close to MSRP as possible, most of us have probably heard the line "Rolex doesn't allow us to give discounts" sometime in our life. We are all pretty excited to pull 10-15%. Now their is Omega, I have found numerous AD's that will give 30%, it is extremely common. My local AD was offering 30% after a private conversation with the sales guy but I chose to buy from a friends AD because he was offering 30% and no sales tax, if I bought a my local one, their was tax. So those are the facts right, now lets consider resale. It may look on paper (considering MSRP's and the price on the sales corner) that the Omega's have lost more on resale when the fact is that they sell for less because 30% discounts are easy to come buy, so obviously that affects the resale value. That is why Rolex police's their AD's a little more, they want it to look like they have good resale value, and they do as we all know. Now dollar for dollar, looking a various watch forums and considering the MSRP's VS what people are actually paying for their respective watches, you actually lose more cash selling you Rolex due to the higher dollar amount of the watch. Just my little observation, makes total sense to me.......Trevor

30 January 2008, 07:58 AM	#9
JBat "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: John Location: Washington Watch: 16710, 16610, DJ Posts: 7,329	No offense taken, the SMP is a great watch and a great value, as you pointed out. I've had a 2055.80.00 for the last five years and it's served me very well. I agree also that the Omega bracelets are hard to beat. Why Rolex doesn't see fit attach a better bracelet to a watch costing more than twice as much as the SMP is beyond me. Congrats on the new watch and wear it in good health.

30 January 2008, 08:10 AM	#10
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	You are correct about the 14060 bracelet and the Omega is certainly far better value secondhand, less than 1/2 the price of the Rolex. __________________ ..33

30 January 2008, 08:12 AM	#11
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Congrats, Trevor! Beautiful Omega! But I cannot find the 2254.50 SMP on the Omega website! Has it been discontinued?? __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

30 January 2008, 08:17 AM	#12
mikey "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Watch: Oysterdate 6694 Posts: 2,713	See us Rolex owners learn and appreciate other brands AFTER we buy our first Rolexes and second and thirds etc...

30 January 2008, 08:26 AM	#13
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Sorry, just found the 2254.50 SMP on the Omega website. Very tempting!! My usual question about Omega: It says that it has a domed, anti-reflective sapphire crystal. Is the crystal AR coated on both sides on just on the innerside? I hope the latter is the case. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

30 January 2008, 10:35 AM	#14
mailman TRF Moderator & SubLV41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,510	Congrats Trevor. That's a helluva watch Enjoy it in good health __________________ JJ

30 January 2008, 11:21 AM	#15
redsrover "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Georgia Watch: Rolex GMTMaster II Posts: 432	Man I love that SMP. I have mine on a Tropic rubber strap since I don't care for the Omega bracelet. But you certainly can't pick a better value than the SMP. It is the easiest watch to read of all the watches I own. __________________ Rolex Explorer 14270, OMEGA Seamaster, OMEGA Speedmaster Professional, OMEGA Speedmaster Professional X-33, Sinn EZM3, IWC Mark XII, Tudor Heritage BB36

30 January 2008, 11:36 AM	#16
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	Hey Bo, the AR in on the inside only. I have owned watches with outer AR coating and it was a fingerprint and a scratch magnet, I will never own another unless I decide to polish it off. AR coating on the inside of the crystal is a fantastic idea, you get the benefits of the AR without the negatives when it is on the outside. You guys really are fantastic, I had some reservations about posting my newest addition on this site, it is a Rolex site after all, but you guy's are way above the Rolex/Omega bashing that tends to go on on other sites. Everyone here tends to appreciate quality and value, what a great group of watch lovers

30 January 2008, 11:52 AM	#17
SUPERDOC "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: R.J. Location: Canada Posts: 1,546	That is a Gorgeous watch... I love the Omegas... that 42mm dial just makes it seem so much bigger. They definitely have a presence on the wrist without being too overstated. excellent choice. although in fairness to the spirit of the site...there's just something about a rolex. Last edited by SUPERDOC; 30 January 2008 at 11:53 AM.. Reason: spelling error

30 January 2008, 12:29 PM	#18
ROGERB "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Roger Location: WHITE ROCK BC Watch: 89 16610, 57 7914, Posts: 897	I have mentioned here before that although my pride and joy is my 89 16610, I also have a SMP GMT affectionatly know as a "Great White" or white face GMT, which for the money is a Super watch!! R

30 January 2008, 12:37 PM	#19
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,589	Congrats that is an awesome watch (period) I love the dial and the AR. No doubt Omega gives one incredible value and a quality timepiece. Welcome to the Omega Seamaster Club Here's my best shot Attached Images __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

30 January 2008, 12:47 PM	#20
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	The 2254 is a classic and takes a back seat to nothing. I love the sword hands and as you say the lume is just amazing. Big congrats and well done!!

30 January 2008, 05:48 PM	#21
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	I guess I have to have one! I would prefer it on a black rubber strap, though. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

30 January 2008, 06:44 PM	#22
FBender Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Phil Location: Perth Australia Watch: LV Posts: 201	Very nice

30 January 2008, 11:59 PM	#24
vukotab "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Vukota Brajovi Location: Belgrade,Serbia Watch: ing movies! Posts: 3,812	Wonderful Omega!Congratulations!

31 January 2008, 12:04 AM	#25
rpryan55 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Dick Location: USA Watch: SubND,DD,SSDaytona Posts: 2,257	Okay, I'm not an Omega fan, but that's one beautiful watch. So beautiful, I might just sign up at the Omega forum site. Do you think they have a JJ? __________________ “The only reason for time ....................... is so that everything doesn't happen at once." Albert Einstein

31 January 2008, 12:06 AM	#26
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Have you read this review? __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

31 January 2008, 01:11 AM	#28
Ed Rooney "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Annapolis, MD Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 5,081	That is my favorite Omega. I will have one when the opportunity presents itself.

31 January 2008, 01:50 AM	#29
Paulie "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chicagoland Watch: GMTII and OP! Posts: 1,272	Awesome collection! Check my Sig line, similar theme (Rolex sport model, Omega Seamaster, Marathon SAR) __________________

31 January 2008, 10:04 PM	#30
gilaone "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 1	Good watches, Nice guys! Karmatp also posted the same post in WUS Omega forum and as I was reading it I was curious about what will Rolex fans response to his post. You guys are awesome! The real watch lovers! Good watches! Nice guys!

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