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Lubrifar · 9 February 2008, 11:34 AM

the minute hand does not land exactly on the tick mark when the second hand just completed a 60-seconds revolution? I tried several times resetting the hands but it always seem that it's either ahead or behind the tick mark...argh

mailman · 9 February 2008, 11:37 AM

Mine lines up good T.

Try to stop your second hand exactly at the 12:00 position, then line up the minute hand. That should work

SPACE-DWELLER · 9 February 2008, 11:42 AM

Yeah, that's the dreaded phenomenon known as "play in the hands". There is a way to correct for it (works with most watches) that is described in the FAQ's.

Letsgodiving · 9 February 2008, 11:42 AM

It does. I have to tinker with it until I get it right. Kind of like my need to have the bezel align with the 12. What the hell is wrong with me?

mailman · 9 February 2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Letsgodiving

It does. I have to tinker with it until I get it right. Kind of like my need to have the bezel align with the 12. What the hell is wrong with me?

Unless I'm timing something, it bother's me if my bezel isn't lined up

Lubrifar · 9 February 2008, 11:57 AM

Alright, I've tried and still can't do it.

Not sure if my Arctic Exp-II is still new and require a break-in period, but my 29 year-old DD lines up perfectly. For that matter, my SMP also lines up nicely. And none of this setting and resetting...

It's driving me nuts, I tell ya!

Letsgodiving · 9 February 2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mailman

Unless I'm timing something, it bother's me if my bezel isn't lined up

If I'm timing something it doesn't bother me if it doesn't line up. When time really doesn't matter that's when it bothers me. I think I just realized I need help.

mailman · 9 February 2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Letsgodiving

If I'm timing something it doesn't bother me if it doesn't line up. When time really doesn't matter that's when it bothers me. I think I just realized I need help.

I'm the same way

That's why I'm on TRF. There's lots of us here

Hamilton Carvalho · 9 February 2008, 12:40 PM

Yes, it drives me crazy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lubrifar

the minute hand does not land exactly on the tick mark when the second hand just completed a 60-seconds revolution? I tried several times resetting the hands but it always seem that it's either ahead or behind the tick mark...argh

applebook · 9 February 2008, 01:00 PM

What works for me is to set the minute hand spot on while the seconds hand is a good 10 seconds before the turn of the minute.

Incurable · 9 February 2008, 01:33 PM

I haven't read the FAQ regarding this but based on my experience...

Some watches are kind of 'spongy' when trying to set the minute hand exactly on a minute tick. One constant though is to move the hand BACK to the minute mark, not forward. This takes the play out of the movement and allows the hand to move as soon as the stem is engaged. Some, I have to actually move the hand about a half minute behind then, when I let go of the crown, the hand will spring forward a bit and (hopefully) land right on the minute tick. This is what I call 'spongy'. Others are looser and stay where you leave them after moving the hand. Either way, move the hand counterclockwise to the position and give it a shot. Each watch is unique and I've learned what I need to do for each of my watches. Some I set exactly on the tick, some slightly before. When hacking the crown, some will cause the hand to jump a bit. Observe and adjust your technique. Play with it and you'll find what works for you.

Lubrifar · 9 February 2008, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Incurable

I haven't read the FAQ regarding this but based on my experience...

Some watches are kind of 'spongy' when trying to set the minute hand exactly on a minute tick. One constant though is to move the hand BACK to the minute mark, not forward. This takes the play out of the movement and allows the hand to move as soon as the stem is engaged. Some, I have to actually move the hand about a half minute behind then, when I let go of the crown, the hand will spring forward a bit and (hopefully) land right on the minute tick. This is what I call 'spongy'. Others are looser and stay where you leave them after moving the hand. Either way, move the hand counterclockwise to the position and give it a shot. Each watch is unique and I've learned what I need to do for each of my watches. Some I set exactly on the tick, some slightly before. When hacking the crown, some will cause the hand to jump a bit. Observe and adjust your technique. Play with it and you'll find what works for you.

Great explaination!

I usually move the hand FORWARD assuming it would take the play out, works for most watches I have but no with a complication as such. I've readjusted it few hours ago, and the minute-hand has been landing precisely on the tick. But if I need to readjust again, I will definitely give the method a shot. I bet a penny this has got to do with breaking the gears in.

ROLEX MAN · 9 February 2008, 02:02 PM

I use a Loupe to get it just right!

Alcan · 9 February 2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lubrifar

the minute hand does not land exactly on the tick mark when the second hand just completed a 60-seconds revolution?

No. It's a mechanical device and gears (wheels) have backlash.

Lubrifar · 9 February 2008, 02:48 PM

Thanks all for the feedback!

Okay, here is the method I used and it works everytime. I usually hack the second hand on the 45-second mark and set the minute hand exactly on the tick mark and observe. I then re-hack the second hand (usually faster) and observe again. When the minute hand lands exactly on the tick mark, it's set for good; and I have yet to go back and readjust. This work well and proven with my DD and SMP.

But with the Exp-II, I'm not sure if the lubricant in mechaincal gears need to spread and settle or if it is the complication of the watch, it needs readjusting after I have set it. For example, I set it perfectly via the method I described yesterday, and 20 hours later, I found the minute hand went past the tick mark when the second-hand had completed its revolution; the minute hand went as far as in-between two tick marks. And the bizarre thing is the second hand has been ticking away spot on!?!? Go figure ...

And yes, a magnifying glass is definitely required in this process! No if and or buts ...

tandrup · 9 February 2008, 04:51 PM

It drives me crazy! And the misaligned bezel drives me crazy as well. I have had luck with stopping the watch on 50 seconds when I adjust it and then set the minute hand to a "full" minute. My Sub seems to have approx. 10 seconds of play in the hands - but it depends on whether I adjust it forward or backwards. It usually does the trick though after a couple of attempts.

walds11 · 9 February 2008, 07:34 PM

Does not bother me at all. I am a watch nut, but I don't even know if my watches do this or not. I just wear them :)

JBat · 10 February 2008, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by walds11

Does not bother me at all. I am a watch nut, but I don't even know if my watches do this or not. I just wear them :)

Yeah, I'm with you. I'm actually a pretty detail oriented person, but there's no way in hell I'm using a loupe to set my watch.

buz-lh · 9 February 2008, 07:44 PM

It didn't bother me until I read this thread. Now, I'll probably spend half the morning setting and resetting.

Rockrolex · 11 February 2008, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walds11

Does not bother me at all. I am a watch nut, but I don't even know if my watches do this or not. I just wear them :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by buz-lh

It didn't bother me until I read this thread. Now, I'll probably spend half the morning setting and resetting.

X2

Tools · 11 February 2008, 04:06 AM

It used to bother me...

But I got over it...

Lubrifar · 11 February 2008, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockrolex

X2

I am happy that I've contributed back to TRF members (and moderators) in some ways.

Rockrolex · 11 February 2008, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lubrifar

I am happy that I've contributed back to TRF members (and moderators) in some ways.

I don't hold a grudge, T, but if it takes the rest of my life to get even, . . . .

Lubrifar · 12 February 2008, 06:01 AM

Ah ha! I finally got the minute-hand lined up perfectly on the tick mark every time the second-hand completes a 60-second revolution. YES!

The method I ended up with is by hacking the second-hand exactly at 60 seconds, wind the minute-hand 10 minutes or so in advance, then ever so slowly re-wind it counter-clockwise exactly a minute slower than the actual minute, finally gentle releasing the crown so the "play / slack" moves itself exactly on the correct minute tick mark. Sound technical but it works.

I love this place...thanks all for your input!

JJ Irani · 9 February 2008, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lubrifar

the minute hand does not land exactly on the tick mark when the second hand just completed a 60-seconds revolution? I tried several times resetting the hands but it always seem that it's either ahead or behind the tick mark...argh

Yes, it bothers me....and this is the BEST way to get perfect alignment.

STOP your watch when the second hand comes to '10'. Choose a "round" time to do it.....like when the minute hand is about to land on a marker - not inbetween on the divisions.

Preferably the perfect time, say 6 o'clock, etc.

Check time with a local network and when the network clock shows 5:49 and 49 seconds, push the crown home to set the watch into motion.

With this, every time your centre sweep touches the triangle at '12', you will find your minute hand in perfect unison with its corresponding marker on the dial.

JJ

SPACE-DWELLER · 9 February 2008, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Incurable

I haven't read the FAQ regarding this but based on my experience...

(...)

This is how I do it:

If you want to make the minute hand points EXACTLY on the given minute when the seconds hand has reached "12" (or "60" seconds), then you must know that there is some "play" in the hands.
So if you just set the minute hand according to our example (EXACTLY 11 AM so that the minute hand will point exactly on the 12) then you will notice that by "one minute past 11 AM" the minute hand will NOT (or probably not!) point EXACTLY and spot on on the minute but rather somewhat (like 15 seconds) PAST it due to the "play" in the hands!

Solution: Following the example, turn the minute hand approximately TEN minutes PAST "11 AM" and then turn the minute hand BACK again to the EXACT time (hour hand point at "11" and minute and seconds hand pointing - exactly - on "12"). Then - EVER SO GENTLY - turn the winding crown clockwise so that the minute hand actually points a bit (like "15 seconds" PAST the full minute marker). That way you adjusted to the "play" of the minute hand, and the minute hand will point EXACTLY on the minute next time the seconds hand reaches "twelve".

(from the FAQ's).

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Yes, it bothers me....and this is the BEST way to get perfect alignment.

STOP your watch when the second hand comes to '10'. Choose a "round" time to do it.....like when the minute hand is about to land on a marker - not inbetween on the divisions.

Preferably the perfect time, say 6 o'clock, etc.

Check time with a local network and when the network clock shows 5:49 and 49 seconds, push the crown home to set the watch into motion.

With this, every time your centre sweep touches the triangle at '12', you will find your minute hand in perfect unison with its corresponding marker on the dial.

JJ

And you'd have a watch which is perfectly running 11 minutes and 1 sec. SLOW!

JJ Irani · 9 February 2008, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

This is how I do it:

If you want to make the minute hand points EXACTLY on the given minute when the seconds hand has reached "12" (or "60" seconds), then you must know that there is some "play" in the hands.
So if you just set the minute hand according to our example (EXACTLY 11 AM so that the minute hand will point exactly on the 12) then you will notice that by "one minute past 11 AM" the minute hand will NOT (or probably not!) point EXACTLY and spot on on the minute but rather somewhat (like 15 seconds) PAST it due to the "play" in the hands!

Solution: Following the example, turn the minute hand approximately TEN minutes PAST "11 AM" and then turn the minute hand BACK again to the EXACT time (hour hand point at "11" and minute and seconds hand pointing - exactly - on "12"). Then - EVER SO GENTLY - turn the winding crown clockwise so that the minute hand actually points a bit (like "15 seconds" PAST the full minute marker). That way you adjusted to the "play" of the minute hand, and the minute hand will point EXACTLY on the minute next time the seconds hand reaches "twelve".

(from the FAQ's).

And you'd have a watch which is perfectly running 11 minutes and 1 sec. SLOW!

Oops...I meant 5:59 and 49 seconds. You have to allow that 1 second for reaction time....trust me.

SPACE-DWELLER · 9 February 2008, 08:30 PM

I know, JJ! I was just "yanking your chain", as James says!

Incurable · 9 February 2008, 07:56 PM

Keep in mind, this only works properly in NZ. Up here, you gotta stand on your head when doing it...

JohnEaton · 12 February 2008, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Incurable

Keep in mind, this only works properly in NZ. Up here, you gotta stand on your head when doing it...

While rubbing the Rollie with wool

9 February 2008, 11:34 AM	#1
Lubrifar Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Mr. T Location: anc/sfo Watch: for the signs! Posts: 776	Does It Bother You When ... the minute hand does not land exactly on the tick mark when the second hand just completed a 60-seconds revolution? I tried several times resetting the hands but it always seem that it's either ahead or behind the tick mark...argh

9 February 2008, 11:37 AM	#2
mailman TRF Moderator & SubLV41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,510	Mine lines up good T. Try to stop your second hand exactly at the 12:00 position, then line up the minute hand. That should work __________________ JJ

9 February 2008, 11:42 AM	#3
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Yeah, that's the dreaded phenomenon known as "play in the hands". There is a way to correct for it (works with most watches) that is described in the FAQ's. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

9 February 2008, 11:42 AM	#4
Letsgodiving "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Mike Location: Virginia, US Watch: SD 16600 Posts: 4,319	It does. I have to tinker with it until I get it right. Kind of like my need to have the bezel align with the 12. What the hell is wrong with me? __________________ The fool, with all his other faults, has this also - he is always getting ready to live. - Epicurus (341–270 BC)

9 February 2008, 01:33 PM	#11
Incurable "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Pat Location: PNW Watch: your P's and Q's Posts: 2,549	I haven't read the FAQ regarding this but based on my experience... Some watches are kind of 'spongy' when trying to set the minute hand exactly on a minute tick. One constant though is to move the hand BACK to the minute mark, not forward. This takes the play out of the movement and allows the hand to move as soon as the stem is engaged. Some, I have to actually move the hand about a half minute behind then, when I let go of the crown, the hand will spring forward a bit and (hopefully) land right on the minute tick. This is what I call 'spongy'. Others are looser and stay where you leave them after moving the hand. Either way, move the hand counterclockwise to the position and give it a shot. Each watch is unique and I've learned what I need to do for each of my watches. Some I set exactly on the tick, some slightly before. When hacking the crown, some will cause the hand to jump a bit. Observe and adjust your technique. Play with it and you'll find what works for you. __________________ Rolex GMT Master II 16710 (Blk/Blk) Rolex Explorer 114270 Sinn 356 Sa Flieger Limes Endurance 1Tausend Too many others... #2592 It may seem like I'm doing nothing but, at a cellular level, I'm actually quite busy...

9 February 2008, 11:57 AM	#6
Lubrifar Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Mr. T Location: anc/sfo Watch: for the signs! Posts: 776	Alright, I've tried and still can't do it. Not sure if my Arctic Exp-II is still new and require a break-in period, but my 29 year-old DD lines up perfectly. For that matter, my SMP also lines up nicely. And none of this setting and resetting... It's driving me nuts, I tell ya!

9 February 2008, 01:00 PM	#10
applebook "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: vancouver Posts: 1,918	What works for me is to set the minute hand spot on while the seconds hand is a good 10 seconds before the turn of the minute.

9 February 2008, 02:02 PM	#13
ROLEX MAN 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: Home and Away Watch: you? "YES PLEASE"! Posts: 3,719	I use a Loupe to get it just right!

9 February 2008, 02:48 PM	#15
Lubrifar Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Mr. T Location: anc/sfo Watch: for the signs! Posts: 776	Thanks all for the feedback! Okay, here is the method I used and it works everytime. I usually hack the second hand on the 45-second mark and set the minute hand exactly on the tick mark and observe. I then re-hack the second hand (usually faster) and observe again. When the minute hand lands exactly on the tick mark, it's set for good; and I have yet to go back and readjust. This work well and proven with my DD and SMP. But with the Exp-II, I'm not sure if the lubricant in mechaincal gears need to spread and settle or if it is the complication of the watch, it needs readjusting after I have set it. For example, I set it perfectly via the method I described yesterday, and 20 hours later, I found the minute hand went past the tick mark when the second-hand had completed its revolution; the minute hand went as far as in-between two tick marks. And the bizarre thing is the second hand has been ticking away spot on!?!? Go figure ... And yes, a magnifying glass is definitely required in this process! No if and or buts ...

9 February 2008, 04:51 PM	#16
tandrup "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: USA Watch: 14060M Posts: 921	It drives me crazy! And the misaligned bezel drives me crazy as well. I have had luck with stopping the watch on 50 seconds when I adjust it and then set the minute hand to a "full" minute. My Sub seems to have approx. 10 seconds of play in the hands - but it depends on whether I adjust it forward or backwards. It usually does the trick though after a couple of attempts. __________________ Regards, Lars 14060M, 16570 White, 116200 Tuxedo Dial Georg Jensen 2347

9 February 2008, 07:34 PM	#17
walds11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Adam Location: Philly ‘burbs Posts: 5,660	Does not bother me at all. I am a watch nut, but I don't even know if my watches do this or not. I just wear them :) __________________ Adam

9 February 2008, 07:44 PM	#19
buz-lh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Buz Location: Atlanta Watch: Rolex Tudor Pam Posts: 5,108	It didn't bother me until I read this thread. Now, I'll probably spend half the morning setting and resetting. __________________ Buz The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live. Peter Diamandis

11 February 2008, 04:06 AM	#21
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	It used to bother me... But I got over it... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

12 February 2008, 06:01 AM	#24
Lubrifar Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Mr. T Location: anc/sfo Watch: for the signs! Posts: 776	Ah ha! I finally got the minute-hand lined up perfectly on the tick mark every time the second-hand completes a 60-second revolution. YES! The method I ended up with is by hacking the second-hand exactly at 60 seconds, wind the minute-hand 10 minutes or so in advance, then ever so slowly re-wind it counter-clockwise exactly a minute slower than the actual minute, finally gentle releasing the crown so the "play / slack" moves itself exactly on the correct minute tick mark. Sound technical but it works. I love this place...thanks all for your input!

9 February 2008, 08:30 PM	#28
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	I know, JJ! I was just "yanking your chain", as James says! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

9 February 2008, 07:56 PM	#29
Incurable "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Pat Location: PNW Watch: your P's and Q's Posts: 2,549	Keep in mind, this only works properly in NZ. Up here, you gotta stand on your head when doing it... __________________ Rolex GMT Master II 16710 (Blk/Blk) Rolex Explorer 114270 Sinn 356 Sa Flieger Limes Endurance 1Tausend Too many others... #2592 It may seem like I'm doing nothing but, at a cellular level, I'm actually quite busy...

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